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This group won without a single kill and Riot bans them all for 14 days

ReptilianRain··326 votes·29,956 views

These guys or gals came up with a really cool and unique way to play an ascension in league of legends and it has worked for them and what does riot do they banned all 5 of them 14 day suspension for playing the way they did.

Links up above for all the information you need I'm just trying to share this with everyone.

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488 Comments

TheRiddum218 votes

It's basically exploiting a flaw in the game mode and ends in a really toxic experience for the opposing team. Riot's problem for not seeing past this though. I don't think they should have gotten banned

ReptilianRain35 votes

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It's basically exploiting a flaw in the game mode and ends in a really toxic experience for the opposing team. Riot's problem for not seeing past this though. I don't think they should have gotten banned

I agree it isn't fair for the other team. Riot should've done something else than banning them cause it doesn't stop other people from doing this.

Baconstr1pz110 votes

WTF YO this is actually brillaint

101100111000110 votes

Banning people because they won't play your game the way you want them to.

Typical. They've done this before. :^)

Colonel J99 votes

Ascension sucks anyways.

ZyniX5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Colonel J,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7ZUOPyhx,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-08-08T22:05:40.756+0000)

Ascension sucks anyways.

Yeah where the hell is hexakill already? Also screw poroking.

ModIts Yuu and Mi90 votes

Im of the opinion this shouldnt be bannable.

They followed the game's rules. They didnt "intentionally feed", they just "intentionally did not kill." They werent 0/30/0.

I think innovation like this is pretty cool. Obviously not the best to go against, but it's some really outside the box thinking.

Final Spark Lux63 votes

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ReptilianRain61 votes

[{quoted}](name=Final Spark Lux,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7ZUOPyhx,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-08-08T22:02:51.486+0000)

That isn't the way the gamemode was intended to be played and you know it. Nobody wants to be stuck in the game and be forced to ff just to make it end. The game would literally never end until someone surrendered, and that's incredibly unfun / unfair to the other team. There's literally 0 counter to this

This isn't the way to fix it though this solves nothing other people can still go in and do it banning these accounts for 14 days is not the answer to this problem.

TwitchInMyPants47 votes

You know, they most likely wouldn't have gotten in trouble if they weren't reported for it so that means the enemy must've reported them after the match lol

Like idk the only one with enough deaths to consider inting was the Garen, though it'd make sense for it to escalate if it happened over multiple matches. Reminds me of when people figured out how to proxy as singed and never lose gold value, yet you risked being banned for trying the strategy. Seems like an oversight on Riot's part, hope these players get help from support or something. At worst this is an exploit that needs to be patched out somehow, like this strategy only works if 5 people are choosing not to kill the enemy so its not like it even ruins solo q games.

Tyvan40 votes

Well think about it, you're literally wasting the time of 5 people and they can't do a damn thing about it unless they surrender

TwitchInMyPants19 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hero of Ideals,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7ZUOPyhx,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-08-08T22:10:36.032+0000)

Well think about it, you're literally wasting the time of 5 people and they can't do a damn thing about it unless they surrender

There's stall strats on SR too, there's ways Riot can prevent this from being viable like creating another source of points or creating an aura that removes points from your score if no one kills an enemy or dies, that way you have to fight to be able to win. Or they can have a maximum timer on the map for fringe games like this so you get punished for having no strategy to kill/cap by just having less points when the timer runs out. There's ways to solve this other than a straight up ban.

ReptilianRain9 votes

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There's stall strats on SR too, there's ways Riot can prevent this from being viable like creating another source of points or creating an aura that removes points from your score if no one kills an enemy or dies, that way you have to fight to be able to win. Or they can have a maximum timer on the map for fringe games like this so you get punished for having no strategy to kill/cap by just having less points when the timer runs out. There's ways to solve this other than a straight up ban.

Exactly i think a timer would fix this situation after a certain amount of time they enemy team with the most points wins. This can easily fix this without having to ban the people that found this exploit.

The MechE3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hero of Ideals,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7ZUOPyhx,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-08-08T22:10:36.032+0000)

Well think about it, you're literally wasting the time of 5 people and they can't do a damn thing about it unless they surrender

You also don't have to kill the nexus in SR. You can just get fed and not end.

Marshbouy6 votes

[{quoted}](name=The MechE,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7ZUOPyhx,comment-id=00070004,timestamp=2017-08-09T01:31:44.971+0000)

You also don't have to kill the nexus in SR. You can just get fed and not end.

you can also still CS, pressure objectives, and buy items in SR. Eventually you can farm enough to come back and have a chance against the enemy. That is not the case in this strategy in ascension.

Rainfall40 votes

Meddler:how about changing the gamemode so they cant abuse it this way? Lyte:nah,i gotchu fam lyte://bans everyone

ReptilianRain23 votes

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Meddler:how about changing the gamemode so they cant abuse it this way? Lyte:nah,i gotchu fam lyte://bans everyone

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs] Give it up for Riot games everybody

2nd Chance38 votes

Riot should be thanking them for finding such a thing, not friggin' ban them, this was pretty freaking brilliant for them to notice this sort of strategy.

They should also apologize to the whole league community for spamming Poro King and Ascension so much, it's the only reason they had enough time to figure out this huge flaw.

Communist Toast36 votes

10/10, would do on a throw away account

rtbf22165141235 votes

I mean, why would you not expect this?

Rito please. Using time to make the enemy surrender isn't a new strategy.

Summoners Drift20 votes

just highlighting the flaws ascension has. Even without this cheese strat, you either run around trying to kill people or sit around trying to mess with the points. The latter wins the game easier and is a lot more boring.

Riot should either fix the game mode or trash it.

UnconventionaI15 votes

That's genius. The fact that they were banned really speaks to what kind of company Riot is, punishing people for abusing their own poor game design.

Edit-

I forgot that punishments were automatic when I wrote the above. Hopefully the players involved get their bans rescinded as clarification by Riot that playing the game by an UnconventionaI META is fine.

GlobDaBlob15 votes

Why are people defending them. It doesn't matter that its a smart strategy. When your whole plan is "make the experience for the other team so negative that they are forced to /ff because thats that only thing they can do" that goes against the summoner's code and is punishable.

Sweet Tennessee8 votes

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Why are people defending them. It doesn't matter that its a smart strategy. When your whole plan is "make the experience for the other team so negative that they are forced to /ff because thats that only thing they can do" that goes against the summoner's code and is punishable.

You can literally play 0 damage Tryndamere and just smash your keyboard against a tower all game and people actually accept that as a viable strat

Misses Old Talon3 votes

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Why are people defending them. It doesn't matter that its a smart strategy. When your whole plan is "make the experience for the other team so negative that they are forced to /ff because thats that only thing they can do" that goes against the summoner's code and is punishable.

Guess what... theres a CHAMPION That's designed to do this in SR. Nunu's entire identity is to make the game as unfun for the enemy jungler as possible. That is the exact same as the strategy used here.

Sohleks8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Knife Cape,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7ZUOPyhx,comment-id=00150002,timestamp=2017-08-09T00:07:43.002+0000)

Guess what... theres a CHAMPION That's designed to do this in SR. Nunu's entire identity is to make the game as unfun for the enemy jungler as possible. That is the exact same as the strategy used here.

Nunu's goal is still eventually bring the game to its end. That's not what's going on here. Both sides play a broken game until one side FF's.

Rand0mH3r0X13 votes

That was funny.

The ban is completely unjustified. There were no exploits here that I could tell.

Certainly not an enjoyable game for Red, but that's not a bannable offense that I'm aware of.

DunkinNoobs13 votes

I'm not convinced that banning them was appropriate, but this strategy was clearly meant to ruin the game mode for the enemy team and force them to surrender if they want to end the game. If that's not toxic behavior, I don't know what is. They knew they were creating an unwinnable and incredibly unfun experience for their opponents and did it anyway. That absolutely deserves some kind of punishment.

Akali is SO HOT10 votes

I actually thought of this strategy myself and wondered if it would work, but I have no friends so I couldn't test it out. Seeing it in action is pretty hilarious. That's really dumb that they got banned for that tho tbh. If those scores count as intentionally feeding, then a ton of people should be getting banned right now tbh. Riot's just salty that people found a strategy to win the game that they don't like. Their fault for not realizing something like this would happen.

ZenithEevee10 votes

As cool, Unique and whatever this is..

Its toxic as fucking hell

Like, Yeah, Downvote me because you disagree...

But considering how i'm pretty sure anyone in the right mind would NOT want to be trapped much longer than normal to play a fucking game...

AntiSkillshot8 votes

I find it completely idiotic that people are praising/defending these five people. I see nothing but "justice is served". This isn't "thinking outside the box" like Proxy Singed (or any proxy), as there's no counter to it beyond surrendering. This is just being a jerk and making the whole match unfun for everyone involved. You're basically removing the enemy team's ability to actually play the match.

Should something be done for Ascension to avoid this in the future? Of course! A timer is an alright idea, but I don't really like it. Maybe a thing that lets you recall? Like a two and a half minute timer between recalls?

Automated Riven4 votes

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I find it completely idiotic that people are praising/defending these five people. I see nothing but "justice is served". This isn't "thinking outside the box" like Proxy Singed (or any proxy), as there's no counter to it beyond surrendering. This is just being a jerk and making the whole match unfun for everyone involved. You're basically removing the enemy team's ability to actually play the match.

Should something be done for Ascension to avoid this in the future? Of course! A timer is an alright idea, but I don't really like it. Maybe a thing that lets you recall? Like a two and a half minute timer between recalls?

There are 5 sunfire capes. Just make the enemy your butt buddy and you will burn to death eventually. Or else you force them to let you cap because otherwise you will die to sunfire capes. So ya there is counterplay. Also the most obvious is simply not picking up the xerath buff in the first place.

AntiSkillshot7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7ZUOPyhx,comment-id=002e0000,timestamp=2017-08-09T00:36:10.841+0000)

There are 5 sunfire capes. Just make the enemy your butt buddy and you will burn to death eventually. Or else you force them to let you cap because otherwise you will die to sunfire capes. So ya there is counterplay. Also the most obvious is simply not picking up the xerath buff in the first place.

There wasn't 5 sunfire capes. It was Bami's Cinders. And those things take way too long to kill anyone.

That's not a counter.

Lord Dusteon6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7ZUOPyhx,comment-id=002e0000,timestamp=2017-08-09T00:36:10.841+0000)

There are 5 sunfire capes. Just make the enemy your butt buddy and you will burn to death eventually. Or else you force them to let you cap because otherwise you will die to sunfire capes. So ya there is counterplay. Also the most obvious is simply not picking up the xerath buff in the first place.

Bami's Cinder maxes out at 23 magic damage a second and has a small radius. Also, the tanks can buy boots and just outwalk you to force you off them.

The lowest MR at level 18 is 38.5 That reduces Bami's damage to 16.6 damage a second. Health regeneration at level 18 is generally between 14 and 20 health every 5 seconds; let's go with 15, which is about equal to or lower then every champion's health regen in the game. They regain 3 health a second, always. The Bami Cinder person just has to walk up, have a single tick of damage happen, and then walk away. It takes another 5 seconds after being interrupted to be able to even start to recap a relic, with a total of 7 seconds of time to cap a relic to begin with.

But hey, let's disregard the "they can just walk to force you out of Bami's range for a while". Most champions health range between ~1800-2100. Let's go with 1800. Bami's does 16.6 damage a second: after health regen this is 13.6. It would take you over 2 minutes of standing in Bami's burn to die.

So you can, technically, die. It just require the enemy to never buy boots/you to be Cassiopeia, and you to sit inside their burn range for over 2 minutes straight. That's not really feasible, as realistically you'll never spend more then 10%-25% of your time in Bami's. Even at 25% of the time in Bami's it would take over 26 minutes to die. And remember, all of these numbers are assuming you are playing a ranged champion with very low health and health regeneration.

And for the final bit. Not picking up the Xerath buff requires your entire team know not to pick up the normally really important to get and have buff. And it requires anyone who doesn't know to listen, which is also unlikely. The only 'counterplay' it has is having your entire team know not to touch the buff, and know not to go near it in case the enemy team forces you onto it.

xXRaichopXx7 votes

But the Korean troll with 500 games lost does not get banned...

Literally has a 0 percent winrate.

rtbf2216514123 votes

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But the Korean troll with 500 games lost does not get banned...

Literally has a 0 percent winrate.

And it took forever to get a Draven main banned too.

xXRaichopXx7 votes

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And it took forever to get a Draven main banned too.

Honestly, the system is garbage....

PhoenixOfHeaven7 votes

Question: To anyone who thinks this is ok, would you want to be an a hour+long match that you have no chance of winning, only for your opponent to gloat about how well they did once they finished? Just because a heist is really clever dosnt make it good. The difference is in a heist they rob material goods and in this, your time and patience.

Anybody who believes this method they used is fine cannot possibly imagine the perspectives of the losers. To anybody who feels like argueing against me, please open it with how the opposing teams of this little plan of theirs felt.

Danjeng3 votes

How is it the fault of the players? It wasn't as if they were exploiting a bug. They worked togther to use an unconventional strategy and won by doing so. I'm surprised that Riot, who I thought the staff were all gamers that understood gamers, would understand such a situation. If anything, it is the designer(s) of the gamemode who didn't think this through.

Though I can't be too quick to judge. Riot has in the past seen to it that certain unique playstyles won't get punished. I'm mostly addressing people who say this ban is deserved. It's a similar situation to Proxy Singed, which I think is an ingenious strategy.

DunkinNoobs13 votes

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How is it the fault of the players? It wasn't as if they were exploiting a bug. They worked togther to use an unconventional strategy and won by doing so.

They didn't "win". They forced the enemy team to concede by holding them hostage in an unwinnable game until they surrendered.

ßrass Monkey3 votes

I feel I need to leave a comment so Riot understands how many people are upset by this and that it is just a new Strategy to win games, this is the exact same as saying stalling dragon/baron fights are unfun and banning people or even saying placing wards ruins it for the other team. These people do not deserve a ban and their bans should be removed.

FlameHalbrdOkido3 votes

well its kinda messed up that they held the enemy team hostage and didn't just end the game, so they probably deserve some sort of talking to or punishment. But does it garner a 14 day ban? No, because its Riots fault. Anyways its a super smart strategy they were just jerks about using it. It could be used on Aram 2

Automated Riven2 votes

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well its kinda messed up that they held the enemy team hostage and didn't just end the game, so they probably deserve some sort of talking to or punishment. But does it garner a 14 day ban? No, because its Riots fault. Anyways its a super smart strategy they were just jerks about using it. It could be used on Aram 2

It's works just fine on aram. Once you get tanky enough you can face tank the towers and the enemy team. You just can't buy thornmail.

Sohleks8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7ZUOPyhx,comment-id=00270000,timestamp=2017-08-09T00:14:48.699+0000)

It's works just fine on aram. Once you get tanky enough you can face tank the towers and the enemy team. You just can't buy thornmail.

How? On aram anyone can run past enemies and suicide on towers/fountains to buy damage items. Unless maybe the other team had 5 45% cdr alistars, but they probably can't stop 5 champions.... That could be a game mode of itself. lol

Automated Riven2 votes

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How? On aram anyone can run past enemies and suicide on towers/fountains to buy damage items. Unless maybe the other team had 5 45% cdr alistars, but they probably can't stop 5 champions.... That could be a game mode of itself. lol

I should have sad that it works against bad players.

manbearswine8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7ZUOPyhx,comment-id=0027000000000000,timestamp=2017-08-09T00:22:13.196+0000)

I should have sad that it works against bad players.

All it takes is for one guy on the enemy team to realize something incredibly obvious, add to that that suiciding to buy in aram is common knowledge used outside of trolling, and that's one big gamble you're taking trying this in aram.

Fizpocalypse3 votes

So if i spend 50 mins killing the other team over and over without ending that should be ban-able? And can we stop calling this a exploit? Youre using this word and i don't think you know what it means ;/

DunkinNoobs3 votes

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So if i spend 50 mins killing the other team over and over without ending that should be ban-able?

Yes. This kind of behavior is the height of unsportsmanlike conduct and would get you kicked out of any real sport or gaming club.

Automated Riven4 votes

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Yes. This kind of behavior is the height of unsportsmanlike conduct and would get you kicked out of any real sport or gaming club.

In this context your right. The summoners code requires you to try to win. In the example that the thread is based on the team that got banned was trying to win. And as such they did not break any rules and should not be banned.

DunkinNoobs8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Automated Riven,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=7ZUOPyhx,comment-id=003c00010000,timestamp=2017-08-09T01:04:49.388+0000)

In this context your right. The summoners code requires you to try to win. In the example that the thread is based on the team that got banned was trying to win. And as such they did not break any rules and should not be banned.

They weren't trying to win either. They're just trying to force the enemy team to surrender out of frustration because otherwise the game never ends. If your strategy to get wins relies on the enemy surrendering just to get out of that game, it's not a real strategy.

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