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Akali nerfs on PBE AGAIN?

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Hammermancer2 votes

Only revert her w and passive, make her current passive only work on her q, and boom

Youd get less procs over tome but more up front

Irelia Bot1 votes

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Only revert her w and passive, make her current passive only work on her q, and boom

Youd get less procs over tome but more up front

If this is done pleasse make Jayce locked into ranged mode until level 6 so jayce players experience the same kind of suffering.

Old Akali was not evne that limited in her damage proc on Q.

Arrowhead2 votes

8th least win rate if played top lane, second least if played mid, and riot continues to nerf the champion??? BTW I didn't vote for either because I prefer playing the new Akali but her nerfs are pissing me off.

Akali Is Dead1 votes

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8th least win rate if played top lane, second least if played mid, and riot continues to nerf the champion??? BTW I didn't vote for either because I prefer playing the new Akali but her nerfs are pissing me off.

Change just means repair her in a meaningful way, I'm sure she'd still keep a lot of her current kit. Mostly just a change to the true stealth shroud, and some extra damage in other places to make up for it. ^^

The Ecdysiast1 votes

Don't make both options the same if you want to be taken seriously.

Akali Is Dead1 votes

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Don't make both options the same if you want to be taken seriously.

Revert as in revert to her original kit, change as in revamp her current kit to work better. Not the same option, but I could see how it could be taken that way. My bad, I’ll edit it.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

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Revert as in revert to her original kit, change as in revamp her current kit to work better. Not the same option, but I could see how it could be taken that way. My bad, I’ll edit it.

And, to clarify: Don't make both options what you want. You need an option to keep things as they are, or you just sound like you can't handle the discussion.

Akali Is Dead1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8sG5zgwn,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2019-05-24T22:11:13.732+0000)

And, to clarify: Don't make both options what you want. You need an option to keep things as they are, or you just sound like you can't handle the discussion.

That's just not an option, she can't be kept as she is currently. EVERYONE is saying this. Professor Akali even is now on the bandwagon that she NEEDS to be reverted or re-reworked. Her kit is not functional. It will never be functional. Her kit is either balls to the walls overpowered, or too underpowered to be playable. She's had more changes than any other champion in the past year, she's been included in more patch notes than she's been excluded from since her rework. This, coupled with the fact that her win rate still hasn't normalized, are all just signs of a broken champ. (Broken as in; Non functional. Not broken as in OP)

The Ecdysiast1 votes

So, yeah, it's that you can't handle a fair discussion with sides other than what you agree with.

But to humor you, let's break down what you have said:

Professor Akali even is now on the bandwagon that she NEEDS to be reverted or re-reworked

Nothing more than an appeal to authority. And obviously someone who liked her old, outdated kit more is gonna be asking for a reversion. So it means nothing.

Her kit is not functional. It will never be functional.

It functions just fine. As far as being a new kit with a bunch of mechanics, hers has had very few bugs. And if you'd say, "that's not what I meant," then figure out the right words to say what you do mean.

Her kit is either balls to the walls overpowered, or too underpowered to be playable.

Not true. She's difficult to pick up because she fights in a very unique way, but for anyone with 40+ games on her, she actually performs far too well. Better even than Lee Sin or Azir, two comparably mechanically difficult champions. That's why she keeps needing hits.

She's had more changes than any other champion in the past year, she's been included in more patch notes than she's been excluded from since her rework.

That doesn't support you in any way at all. She's needed adjustments, that's all it means. Because all her problems have been solely because of her kit, not because of any items or runes. Compare that to Ezreal, who's often hit in his build, not his kit.

her win rate still hasn't normalized

Well, it sort of has. With the uniqueness of her playstyle, people with fewer games on her are going to have incredibly low performance. She has one of if not the strangest mechanical kit in the game. But for people who've learned her, her win rate's a steady 55%. Which is too high. It will never even out, but that's because of what makes the new kit fun. It's uniquely difficult.

Akali Is Dead2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8sG5zgwn,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-25T02:56:46.658+0000)

So, yeah, it's that you can't handle a fair discussion with sides other than what you agree with.

But to humor you, let's break down what you have said:

Nothing more than an appeal to authority. And obviously someone who liked her old, outdated kit more is gonna be asking for a reversion. So it means nothing.

It functions just fine. As far as being a new kit with a bunch of mechanics, hers has had very few bugs. And if you'd say, "that's not what I meant," then figure out the right words to say what you do mean.

Not true. She's difficult to pick up because she fights in a very unique way, but for anyone with 40+ games on her, she actually performs far too well. Better even than Lee Sin or Azir, two comparably mechanically difficult champions. That's why she keeps needing hits.

That doesn't support you in any way at all. She's needed adjustments, that's all it means. Because all her problems have been solely because of her kit, not because of any items or runes. Compare that to Ezreal, who's often hit in his build, not his kit.

Well, it sort of has. With the uniqueness of her playstyle, people with fewer games on her are going to have incredibly low performance. She has one of if not the strangest mechanical kit in the game. But for people who've learned her, her win rate's a steady 55%. Which is too high. It will never even out, but that's because of what makes the new kit fun. It's uniquely difficult.

No real offense intended, but I don't plan on arguing with someone over the kit of my main when they A: Have no games played on new Akali, therefore have no right to speak on her behalf, B: Play primarily Aram games, and C: Start every bit of reply to a discussion with "You clearly can't handle a fair discussion."

These are my last two cents on the topic:

The facts are: In Platinum and up Akali has held a 33-45% win rate, 43rd place and 44th place (of 44 champs designed for mid) since her release. She has needed to be revamped and changed repeatedly, none of which have done anything to help her situation, some have even worsened it. She's pick or ban in pro-play, which is never a good place to be. Her play and ban rates have stayed perpetually high, in the top 10's since her release. She gets the least amount of average assists of any mid champion, she has one of the highest average deaths of any mid champ, she's 39/44 in how much overall damage she deals per game, and she's in the bottom 10 for gold income per game. She is in the lower spectrum in every aspect aside from how many kills she garners, and that's comparing her to every mid champion, not just assassins like herself. She is quite literally, currently considered to be one of the worst champions in the game when it comes to the general player bases capability to play her.

Which is ridiculous considering how strong she actually is.

Riot is clinging to the idea that they don't make mistakes, and are trying to make her kit "work" but it doesn't. It has been shown not to. No matter how much they have nerfed her, (lowering the win rate of the general public each time) she is still used and abused in proplay. Because her kit is overpacked. She has an auto empower, high mobility, true stealth, 3-4 dashes, a stun, and an execute. But because of her design, if they took any of these things away, she would be bad for the game in the sense that she would be unplayable, because her kit is DESIGNED around those aspects.

One might call this anecdotal evidence, but there was a point where people were banning Akali in ranked when I tried to play her, saying "I don't want to lose, play someone else." This was on multiple occasions. There is no excuse for that kind of visceral reaction to a champion from the playerbase.

The Ecdysiast1 votes

K.

Then don't start threads, if you can't handle discussion that doesn't agree with your narrow, biased view.

Akali Is Dead1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8sG5zgwn,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-25T05:45:25.907+0000)

K.

Then don't start threads, if you can't handle discussion that doesn't agree with your narrow, biased view.

Call it biased all you'd like, examining the facts of her current position compared to other trends of champions who failed (like the Lb changes before they reverted her, for example.) Akali should, for all intents and purposes, be considered a failure as of her current state in the game. You clearly have never taken a debate class, so in case you were wondering:

It's not opinion to say "she needs to be fixed" when your position on an issue is determined by numbers and you have comparable examples showing that in the trends of past similar issues, counter measures were taken. It's a stated fact, "She needs to be fixed." Not, "I think she should be fixed." BECAUSE of league's guidelines for what entails a balanced champion. If you're talking in terms that she needs to reflect the same examples of other champions to be a character in league of legends, as we've been shown is the case since there is a balance system.

What WOULD be opinion is for me to say she should be reverted. Because they could just as easily decide to change her instead. My opinion, is she should be reverted. Others might think they should make reparations to the current version. But it is an undeniable fact that she, nonetheless, needs to be changed in some way. Try to refrain from coming into a conversation you're not ready for, please and thank you. [slayer-jinx-wink]

The Ecdysiast1 votes

I explained to you all of it. If you wanna twist the numbers, that's on you.

Riot's making adjustments based on the actual facts, as I explained to you.

And your statement was not that she needs to be "fixed." She's getting fixes. To fix the problem that unlike other similarly mechanical champions whose win rates don't spike to 54% until 200 games played, she's at a steady 55% after only 50. The issue you are having is that you're calling her overall win rate the problem, when it's not.

league's guidelines for what entails a balanced champion

are not what you're following. You are the one falsely concluding that overall win rate is the deciding factor, while completely ignoring the metric of experience.

You may have liked the easier Akali, and you may be struggling with the new one, but luckily Riot doesn't make changes based on the opinions of people who ignore facts.

Akali Is Dead1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8sG5zgwn,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-25T02:56:46.658+0000)

So, yeah, it's that you can't handle a fair discussion with sides other than what you agree with.

But to humor you, let's break down what you have said:

Nothing more than an appeal to authority. And obviously someone who liked her old, outdated kit more is gonna be asking for a reversion. So it means nothing.

It functions just fine. As far as being a new kit with a bunch of mechanics, hers has had very few bugs. And if you'd say, "that's not what I meant," then figure out the right words to say what you do mean.

Not true. She's difficult to pick up because she fights in a very unique way, but for anyone with 40+ games on her, she actually performs far too well. Better even than Lee Sin or Azir, two comparably mechanically difficult champions. That's why she keeps needing hits.

That doesn't support you in any way at all. She's needed adjustments, that's all it means. Because all her problems have been solely because of her kit, not because of any items or runes. Compare that to Ezreal, who's often hit in his build, not his kit.

Well, it sort of has. With the uniqueness of her playstyle, people with fewer games on her are going to have incredibly low performance. She has one of if not the strangest mechanical kit in the game. But for people who've learned her, her win rate's a steady 55%. Which is too high. It will never even out, but that's because of what makes the new kit fun. It's uniquely difficult.

Post-Thread: Her winrate is now 41%. But iT'S noRmalIzEd right? Get out of here. [slayer-jinx-catface]

The Ecdysiast1 votes

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Post-Thread: Her winrate is now 41%. But iT'S noRmalIzEd right? Get out of here. [slayer-jinx-catface]

Funny, not only are you wrong according to every site, but her win rate with only 50 games is now closer to 50%, while her win rate above that is still a solid 55%.

Akali Is Dead1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Ecdysiast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=8sG5zgwn,comment-id=0001000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-06-14T06:48:11.590+0000)

Funny, not only are you wrong according to every site, but her win rate with only 50 games is now closer to 50%, while her win rate above that is still a solid 55%.

https://champion.gg/champion/Akali/Middle bruh lmao

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