No champion should ever have mana scaling skills.

ChickenWrap·12/15/2019, 11:13:53 PM·5 votes·1,125 views

Mana-scaling skills are toxic to the game. Why? The items you build.

What often comes with mana? Defensive stats.

When a mage is rewarded for stacking defensive items because they utilize mana scaling and AP scaling, you run into a lot of problems where they're just a little too good. If you build tank with an Archangel, the second it hits Seraph, you're gaining massive amounts of mana and AP which leads to your spells chunking through two forms of scaling, and even though you only have Archangels and maybe RoA, the rest of your build is giving you so many defensive stats that it's almost impossible for you to actually die -- especially against physical damage sources. Even so, if you grab an Abyssal Mask, you're just amping your damage up further whilst also giving yourself better stats to use against mages.

In conclusion, please remove mana scaling from Ryze and my boy Kassadin. It's just... Not fair.

16 Comments

Arammus12/15/2019, 11:16:26 PM3 votes

actually mana scaling isnt the problem. i remember playing arurf ryze reaching 11k mana. gave me not even 150 damage on my w. its just that ryze can spam his shit which has alrdy super high damage.

Rockman12/15/2019, 11:19:43 PM2 votes

mana scaling is fine... they need more types of scaling so it isn't just AP/AD that scales.

Lenny Face xd12/15/2019, 11:21:33 PM1 votes

Finally a chickenwrap post I don't downvote

Spaceman7112/15/2019, 11:37:59 PM1 votes

Ryze I could see having it removed on his skills-the passive "bonus mana per ap" seems fine to me. Kassadin on the other hand has it on just his ult, and doesn't really go tank-mostly just grabs Rod+Seraphs and then standard AP stuff because of his hyper-scaling kit. If he goes tanky, he's ineffective due to lack of cc and damage.

Zardo12/15/2019, 11:58:34 PM1 votes

What? You have nothing in your post that says why they are toxic and why they can't just tune down the scaling.

Also, toxic to the game? How is a bit of extra stats toxic when compared to things that are extremely obnoxious to face, like shaco?

RubySpackle12/16/2019, 12:24:18 AM1 votes

olt zinged

Hypochondria912/16/2019, 12:37:42 AM1 votes

I wish Singed still had his mana scaling, I miss stacking RoAs.

RAT IN GAME UwU 12/16/2019, 12:40:19 AM1 votes

Mana scaling would be cool if you didn't have items that got you to like 3-4k mana

in fact taking the ability to get 4k+ mana away entirely needs to happen, what is the downside to playing ryze or kass when they're tanky, and can spam everything without fear past the early game?(more ryze than kass)

Support Evelynn12/15/2019, 11:18:53 PM1 votes

This has been a discussion for the longest time. Since Ryze's first kit.