Dont call Yuumi trash if you dont feel like cooperating

Critty92·May 19, 2019·22 votes·10,564 views

You not cooperating and then blaming the yuumi is really hypocritical

36 Comments

SoujiMay 20, 20199 votes

Tilts me when my adc keeps on running away when I have my Q midflight trying to poke and then complain how Yuumi is useless. Hello?? I'm trying to poke but you are too scared to let me do anything. But then I get really nice adcs who will walk up and wait for me at fountain and we do really well because they know how to play with her.

DUDE BROMay 20, 20194 votes

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Tilts me when my adc keeps on running away when I have my Q midflight trying to poke and then complain how Yuumi is useless. Hello?? I'm trying to poke but you are too scared to let me do anything. But then I get really nice adcs who will walk up and wait for me at fountain and we do really well because they know how to play with her.

This exactly. Huge diff between a team that never waits or lets you die, and a team that moves up for your Q, runs over to let you hop on when you're in danger, etc. Literally the difference between a Yuumi feeding game and a Yuumi carry game.

Dorans PantsMay 20, 20197 votes

How to design supports:

step1: force adcs to play around the supports, not the other way around as it's usually the case

step2: chaos ensues as this is completely unprecedented. . . .[zombie-brand-mindblown] Who could foresee this?

Releases like yuumie just showcases how most adcs can't get off their high horses to take their supports into consideration. It's usually all "me, me, me, that's mine, I need that, do that for, if we win I am gosu, if we lose report my sup so useless."

SanKakUMay 20, 20191 votes

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How to design supports:

step1: force adcs to play around the supports, not the other way around as it's usually the case

step2: chaos ensues as this is completely unprecedented. . . .[zombie-brand-mindblown] Who could foresee this?

Releases like yuumie just showcases how most adcs can't get off their high horses to take their supports into consideration. It's usually all "me, me, me, that's mine, I need that, do that for, if we win I am gosu, if we lose report my sup so useless."

It's also why I can't get support Kalista to work. I can make a lot of Marksmen support champions work. Varus, Kog'Maw, even Jhin. Of course, there will be ragers...but I can hold my own at least without much effort from my lane partner. Not so with Kalista.

TwitchInMyPantsMay 20, 20195 votes

Honestly after being chill with all kinds of weird off-meta stuff in support like Ezreal, Akali, Nidalee, ect. myself, I don't know how people are so stubborn they can't cooperate with a new support even if they're undertuned.

A buff to your dps and an AoE lockdown isn't useless. Typing in chat while doing literally nothing just because you'd prefer another support to the wizard cat is the definition of useless.

ZaFishboneMay 20, 20191 votes

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Honestly after being chill with all kinds of weird off-meta stuff in support like Ezreal, Akali, Nidalee, ect I don't know how people are so stubborn they can't cooperate with a new support even if they're undertuned.

A buff to your dps and an AoE lockdown isn't useless. Typing in chat while doing literally nothing just because you'd prefer another support to the wizard cat is the definition of useless.

Nobody is chill with those. When one of those 'off-meta' is chosen, the usual reaction is "oh god no".

TwitchInMyPantsMay 20, 20191 votes

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Nobody is chill with those. When one of those 'off-meta' is chosen, the usual reaction is "oh god no".

Maybe if it needs clarification that the first part is referring to myself, but I've tolerated so many weird gimmick lanes in support and won with them enough times to not give a shit

And the point still stands that tons of those are out there and people are shitting themselves over Yuumi

ZaFishboneMay 21, 20191 votes

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Maybe if it needs clarification that the first part is referring to myself, but I've tolerated so many weird gimmick lanes in support and won with them enough times to not give a shit

And the point still stands that tons of those are out there and people are shitting themselves over Yuumi

I mean, short of dodging or accepting the loss, there really isn't anything to do other than accepting it. Doesn't mean we have to like it. Off meta picks usually loose you the game. It's the truth. In a lot more than half the cases I've seen off meta picks, they've fed. It's a nice fantasy: "let's all accept each other's off meta picks, and since we aren't toxic we'll all do well" but it's rarely the case in real life. Even if you aren't toxic to them, they'll still play bad.

JonesybonesMay 20, 20195 votes

or just stop blaming team mates.

ChickenWrapMay 20, 201915 votes

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or just stop blaming team mates.

TBH it's usually their fault though. It's their really, really poor attitude and it's yuuniserval.

JonesybonesMay 20, 20194 votes

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TBH it's usually their fault though. It's their really, really poor attitude and it's yuuniserval.

you're right its my team mates faults im not challenger -sarcasm.

rubberduckie666May 20, 20198 votes

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its's yuuniserval.

im banning you from the boards, i did not sign up for this punnage

ChaosReynMay 20, 20191 votes

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TBH it's usually their fault though. It's their really, really poor attitude and it's yuuniserval.

you tried too hard here. xD

ChickenWrapMay 20, 20191 votes

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you tried too hard here. xD

Actually, it came natyuumi.

BackdoorPrincessMay 20, 20191 votes

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or just stop blaming team mates.

868 lmao

JonesybonesMay 20, 20192 votes

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868 lmao

do you blame teammates for you inability to climb?

BackdoorPrincessMay 20, 20191 votes

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do you blame teammates for you inability to climb?

Bro I haven't ranked since s3, and stopped at gold so i could get the rewards. You can climb based on sole skill alone, as can I, but the problem especially with this meta is the winner so far had been determined by a) whoever is the worst player as they initiate the snowball for whichever team, or b)primarily whichever botlane gets ahead. As a support, Yuumi, as with most supports that aren't Lux/Brand/etc. rely on the adc for kill potential/lane pressure. If you as a thresh/leona/naut hook and go in on a perfect initiate but your adc doesn't respond, yeah that sucks that you either just wasted summs to get out or flat out died, putting your entire lane behind because of it. If your adc doesn't know how to respond to you latching and steering a q, it's on them for lack of game knowledge and they are flat out denying part of your kit. How many times have you had a targon's stack or your supp and the minion gets killed before it can get used?

Low elo especially is subject to this due to poor mechanics/game knowledge/refusal to or lack of communication. Some games are 110% decided by teammate actions, as you can't be vayne/kai/a hypercarry every game thanks to autofill and bans, and if you have someone on your team who constantly initiates when behind, or straight up just feeds to an enemy, there isn't much to do about it after a certain extent. Even streamers who are mid diamond/GM don't have a 100% winrate when climbing on their smurfs, get off your barely silver high horse as you know damn well that some games are out of your control

BeersteinMay 20, 20193 votes

I ban her so it's a non issue, tired of 100% loss rate with Yuumi as an ally. It's like playing a 4v5 and not cause yuumi is bad but because idiots are qing ranked with 0 mastery on her. Yuumis don't advertise that they're picking her either so gotta play it safe and 100% ban her.

DUDE BROMay 20, 20193 votes

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I ban her so it's a non issue, tired of 100% loss rate with Yuumi as an ally. It's like playing a 4v5 and not cause yuumi is bad but because idiots are qing ranked with 0 mastery on her. Yuumis don't advertise that they're picking her either so gotta play it safe and 100% ban her.

I'm M7, 70 winrate on her. Yet when I hover her AND state those facts, teammates still ban her and say "pls no yuumi". Yet they're perfectly cool with my going AP ashe support. God.

Dorans PantsMay 20, 20191 votes

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I'm M7, 70 winrate on her. Yet when I hover her AND state those facts, teammates still ban her and say "pls no yuumi". Yet they're perfectly cool with my going AP ashe support. God.

That Ap scaling on that ult though.

ChaosReynMay 20, 20192 votes

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That Ap scaling on that ult though.

that's the best part about everyone's complaining though. Everyone's complaining about her ratios and she's actually much more useful stacking aura effects. :P

Guardian/Font/Plating/Revitalize||Manaflow/Focus

item 3098 item 3107 item 3030 item 3143 item 3001 item 3110 (not always in this exact order - adapt by enemy typing)

Pretty much, it means you're safer and stronger than the AP route when binding to frontliners as you passively ruin the enemy's stats and have additional slow effects to help your frontline stick to their target, and lose next to nothing by binding to the backline and using all these effects for peel instead. You don't need to worry about positioning, so it's easy to use so many actives in one build, and you don't really even need boots since you're going to be attached most of the time. Plus, you don't instantly die, so you can actually afford to detach and eat a few skillshots to make sure your team lives without worrying about getting 2-clapped by the first person to breathe in your general direction.

I'm not gonna say the item 3174 item 3905 item 3089 route is garbage - to each their own build path - but there are much more busted things in the game than simple ratios.

BeersteinMay 21, 20191 votes

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I'm M7, 70 winrate on her. Yet when I hover her AND state those facts, teammates still ban her and say "pls no yuumi". Yet they're perfectly cool with my going AP ashe support. God.

Congrats, but you're an extreme minority. I have no issue with her in unranked, and the unranked ones frankly play better anyway. I have every right to ban her in ranked if I think it'll help though. If someone hovered her and had a good win rate I wouldn't ban her. Pretty simple.

dnsupMay 21, 20191 votes

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I ban her so it's a non issue, tired of 100% loss rate with Yuumi as an ally. It's like playing a 4v5 and not cause yuumi is bad but because idiots are qing ranked with 0 mastery on her. Yuumis don't advertise that they're picking her either so gotta play it safe and 100% ban her.

Honestly, people need to stop downvoting this opinion just because it's being expressed and it bothers them. There is a clear population of people who feel they're having a certain experience with non-communicative supports who choose the new champ. It deserves attention; talk about why (beyond the usual "it's the fault of the person complaining") instead of downvoting.

Biscuit BiteMay 20, 20193 votes

Yummi is trash.

ITZ ICYMay 20, 20192 votes

Maybe in some games Yuumis are relevant, but so far I've seen Yuumi win only 2 times and both times she might have as well been afk because it was other lane carrying hard and winning in 20 minutes.

In even games I can usually see other supports that would be more useful to us than Yuumi.

She's not inherently bad, she's just wildly out of meta and can't deal with it. Other supports do certain things better than her (mostly multiple things) and she's not even a perfect middle ground for damage dealing, protecting carries, initiating fights and fixing team's mistakes.

Not only that, enemies can't even screw up their focus and focus Yuumi accidentaly because she's in her W most of the time, I have no idea how many games I've won because enemies were so caught up on focusing me they completely ignored the rest of my team.

I'm not telling a Yuumi player she's useless before the game, but if after the game she was useless - I'm probably going to tell her she was useless and maybe should have picked a different support next time. (she because Yuumi, I'm not actually assuming player is a female)

ChaosReynMay 20, 20192 votes

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Maybe in some games Yuumis are relevant, but so far I've seen Yuumi win only 2 times and both times she might have as well been afk because it was other lane carrying hard and winning in 20 minutes.

In even games I can usually see other supports that would be more useful to us than Yuumi.

She's not inherently bad, she's just wildly out of meta and can't deal with it. Other supports do certain things better than her (mostly multiple things) and she's not even a perfect middle ground for damage dealing, protecting carries, initiating fights and fixing team's mistakes.

Not only that, enemies can't even screw up their focus and focus Yuumi accidentaly because she's in her W most of the time, I have no idea how many games I've won because enemies were so caught up on focusing me they completely ignored the rest of my team.

I'm not telling a Yuumi player she's useless before the game, but if after the game she was useless - I'm probably going to tell her she was useless and maybe should have picked a different support next time. (she because Yuumi, I'm not actually assuming player is a female)

The issue is, most of the people playing her are trying a standard support build or a standard mage build. Yuumi, as you said, is NOT standard.

I've found a more aura-centric build works best for her: item 3098 item 3107 item 3030 item 3143 item 3001 item 3110 This clears up a lot of her issues:

she doesn't die as fast when unattached so she can actually utilize her passive without becoming roadkill.
she feels safer and synergizes better when binding to frontliners since she's a bit tankier and has multiple auras and slows to make the frontliner feel very powerful in their element.
she can similarly use all these auras and effects to peel for her carry with or without being attached to allow them to do their job.
you don't worry as much about her damage ratios because you remember you're playing a SUPPORT, not a freaking BRAND, and you focus more on your utility than your dps as it should be.

I also find running Guardian/Font/Plating/Revitalize||Manaflow/Focus gives you better survival/utility without compromising your overall healing effects (Font + Revi means as long as your team is doing their job and focusing a target in fights, they're still getting healed decently) and means you can feel better about detaching and eating a few skillshots without being instantly vaporized.

I'm not saying the item 3174 item 3905 item 3089 build is obsolete - to each their own - but people are worrying so much about her damage ratios, and completely ignoring the fact that since she doesn't have to worry as much about positioning, active items are easier to use, and auras passively help cover the gap made by giving away a little more damage for the ability to make 4/4 of your teammates infinitely stronger than usual.

ITZ ICYMay 21, 20191 votes

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The issue is, most of the people playing her are trying a standard support build or a standard mage build. Yuumi, as you said, is NOT standard.

I've found a more aura-centric build works best for her: This clears up a lot of her issues:

she doesn't die as fast when unattached so she can actually utilize her passive without becoming roadkill.

she feels safer and synergizes better when binding to frontliners since she's a bit tankier and has multiple auras and slows to make the frontliner feel very powerful in their element.

she can similarly use all these auras and effects to peel for her carry with or without being attached to allow them to do their job.

you don't worry as much about her damage ratios because you remember you're playing a SUPPORT, not a freaking BRAND, and you focus more on your utility than your dps as it should be.

I also find running Guardian/Font/Plating/Revitalize||Manaflow/Focus gives you better survival/utility without compromising your overall healing effects (Font + Revi means as long as your team is doing their job and focusing a target in fights, they're still getting healed decently) and means you can feel better about detaching and eating a few skillshots without being instantly vaporized.

I'm not saying the build is obsolete - to each their own - but people are worrying so much about her damage ratios, and completely ignoring the fact that since she doesn't have to worry as much about positioning, active items are easier to use, and auras passively help cover the gap made by giving away a little more damage for the ability to make 4/4 of your teammates infinitely stronger than usual.

That build actually sounds quite nice, doesn't change much if people don't use it though.

ChaosReynMay 21, 20191 votes

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That build actually sounds quite nice, doesn't change much if people don't use it though.

So the key is to make it seem like their idea. :P

Instead of saying "do it like this." ask them "Hey, have you tried this yet? some guy in my last game did it and he was a beast!"

if they don't try it immediately, then at the very least, they'll end up looking into it and trying it within the next game or two, and it'll slowly take over. :P

seronMay 20, 20192 votes

depending on who the enemy support is there might be better choices instead of yuumi so i get why adcs get mad sometimes... but yuumi isn't completely useless. just not the best for adcs that don't like to play so aggressive or are trying a new champ adc [slayer-jinx-catface]

HammermancerMay 20, 20192 votes

I like yuumi, but understand that if I'm level 1 vayne and you pick yuumi after me, you can't expect me to try to 1v2 the lucian/braum enemy team. it really does feel like a 1v2 for the first 10 minutes of the game

DoktorKaiserMay 20, 20191 votes

In last 2 days I played around 15 games and lost 12 of them. All of them had Yuumi in my team and 10 out of those 12 the enemy didn't have a Yuumi. So yes, I will call her trash because she is useless trash , probably the weakest champion I have ever seen in League, she literally makes your team autolose the game unless you snowball out of control.

DeleteSuppRoleMay 20, 20191 votes

Here's another post of those let's blame the ADC for our lack of skill, typical, it's totally not you who can't play yummi properly or just picks yummi into every match up even if it's a bad pick

Fisherman FizzMay 20, 20191 votes

The funny part is that if anything she's potentially overtuned and people are still believing shes weak. Those hotfix buffs were huge.

KFCeytronMay 20, 20191 votes

Corollary: don't pick Yuumi if you're not absolutely sure that your teammates will cooperate. You picking a champion with a WR in the 30s and then blaming your teammates is really short-sighted.

DestaiceMay 21, 20191 votes

I feel like you’re playing a champion that requires a lot of coordination with randoes and expecting them to play the way that benefits you.

The Highest NoonMay 21, 20191 votes

Everyone who complains about Yuumi are either Challenger or solo q heroes who think that they can solo carry every game and if they can't then it's their ally's faults.

From my experience with Cat-On-Book, when we win it's due to my teammates having good positioning, map awareness, and trust in each other and in the fact that Yuumi has heals and shields for days where Yuumi has minimum deaths and a billion assists; when we lose, it's because they have terrible positioning, don't listen to pings, can't make plays, and the typical low-elo "Yuumi sucks I can't win lane with her" from terrible ADCs who run face-first into Jhin's 4th shot when they only have 100 health.

I have never seen a team with Yuumi lose unless that entire team is trash. It has NEVER been a case where they lose specifically because they have Yuumi.