Janna sucks so much, when I play her it's like I'm AFK

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Certainly there is a circumstance when you have to play tourist, like losing a lane so you play it safe, otherwise you'd be instakilled for even standing next to your adc. For Janna, unless your adc hit it big like first blood, your lane is like a constant losing lane. Her most general playstyle is tourist.

Janna has every tool available to counter harrass. If you fail to utilize them and just sit back, it's on you, not the champion's kit.

Similarly to your last response on this column, this "if" scenario is irrelevant since the enemy may simply just outtrade despite the minion damage dealt upon them, and in most cases is invalid since minion aggro may easily be avoided. Indeed this is about positioning and being careful, which is rooted with the afk playstyle of Janna staying behind her adc for most of the laning phase in order to be positioned in a careful* state.

Tourist is not careful, it's giving up laning, handing everything to the other duo for free. You won't get killed, only your adc won't be able to cs, you will never be able to push to the enemy turret to take it and with the harrass damage your adc will take he'll be forced to recall so much the enemy will take your turret in record time. But you don't die and that makes playing tourist "careful" in your world. Great thinking.

Yeah, you are agreeing with ME. There is almost never a said safe time to stay in front, hence the afk Janna playstyle.

Not charging in psycho and playing in tourist are not the same.

You misinterpreted the general concept. Harassing is indeed not an engagement or fighting, but it is potent for opening up a fight against you, which is where the word "disengaging" comes into play. And as for counterharassment, being laid back behind your adc and shielding him in case of a harassment is a counterharassment if I'm not mistaken.

Shielding is not counter harrassment, zoning and trading is. As long as you are giving free reign for the enemy duo to walk wherever, you are giving the lane away.

You are also not considering how an enemy poke may escalate into a fullon chase for being killed, which is terrible if anybody is in front, because not being near a tower means you are more likely to be chased down and be killed. Considering that almost all adcs have mobility abilities, it is better for your adc to be in front of you in case a fullon fight breaks up and your adc may use a mobility ability to escape, while you yourself have 0 mobility abilities, and also considering Janna's passive which allows your adc to escape with faster movement speed if he moves towards you, but this case is only possible if you are behind the adc.

This hypothetical scenario is nonsense. The harrass only turns into a full on fight if your side (which includes the adc too) misplays it. Staying behind the adc and expecting them to use mobility abilities to back away from the harrass is another way of saying allowing the other team to zone your adc off his farm. The exact opposite thing you want to achieve in lane.

I appreciate your attempt to change my mind, but your counter-arguments appear to be overly general and not considerable about Janna's unique playstyle, despite how you yourself had acknowledged Janna's unique role with your irrelevant "why would you play Janna if" lecture.

Janna is harder to play right, but ultimately it's up to the player. She has the tools for the job, and I've had Jannas that did great jobs. There might be tougher matchups, but that's true for all supports.

Indeed Janna is a support like every other labeled support, I do not doubt your overly-generalized reminders about how to play any support better, but there are no arguments that targeted my specific points which leads to the main idea that her playstyle is like being afk.

You made some vague comments about not being able to use her, but the closest you ever came to give a specific reason as to why she can't be useful at all is that you lose trades with her. But she can (and should) lay down very long range harrass to compensate for that even if it is true.

I am not indicating that Janna needs a buff or blaming that I lose a lot of games directly because of Janna's unique gameplay, since I still feel afk after winning an easy victory match, however I can't help but notice how you are fiercely being generalized and avoiding my individual points, avoiding the incentive to make constructive counter remarks, and avoiding the champion itself and rather focus on the player.

Janna is not super unique, her closest playstyle-relative would be Nami. As I said, your super specific points amount to what you said about not being able to trade well, but remind me if I missed something.

Most importantly, for you, is there even an extent at which it is on the champion and not the player himself/herself?

I've seen Janna played well, many, many times, so I know for a fact that there is nothing in her kit that forces players to be a tourist playing her. She might be difficult to handle at first, there's a high learning curve, and this can drive players playing her to go tourist, but that's on them, not the champion. Why are you so intent in insisting that it's the inherent qualities of the champion and not her player's inexperience in utilizing them that's the problem?

And if you weren't doing that you could have found this video (took me about 13 seconds), explaining how to be impactful on Janna and actually learn what makes her tick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKfnj5b1Tug