Better Buff Darius, lolol

PoopyMcPooppile·Dec 7, 2017·3 votes·671 views

The word "poop" had replaced a certain word to keep this forum language-filter-friendly.

Rito buffed Darius's damage because he "lost bonus attack damage from both runes and Fervor of Battle" when Rito "combined" the runes and masteries together. In case you haven't notice, every other champion lost their bonus damage due to the deletion of the old runes and masteries as well.

But to be fair, Rito justified the buff because his passive scales on bonus damage. That may be true, but what about every other champion that scales on bonus damage? Where are their buffs? Most notably, the champions that scale on Ability Power.

For example: Singed. When I play Singed in ranked, I walk up to lane with 0 Ability Power points unlike from before when I had 21 AP from runes. His Q does almost no damage, I swear I thought I was healing the enemy Shen when I poison him-- and to compare, Shen's Q damage had been nerfed by 10 damage, but he still do a poop ton more damage compared to Singed.

Have you seen updated Darius? I sure have. All he needs is a Black Cleaver and full tank build , and he can take on 5 people without having any dents on his health bar. You can't run from him because of his superior movement speed and super-slowing CC abilities, and you can't fight him because he hurts and can't die with his constant Q healing. Even if you manage to escape with say 5-10% health, his buffed penetrating bleed passive will get to you and you will die anyway.

I'd say buff everyone else who rely on the old rune and mastery system, not just "better buff Darius". . . .

additional reads:

You might not notice League updates have been pooping on champions like Aurelion Sol and Singed for the longest time. For this example, I'm going to use Singed again. Within just this season's patch, Singed's base armor had been reduced by almost 10 points. His base health along with health growth stat had also been reduced. His first 2-tier ult cooldowns had been increased. Typical Rito after reworking champions (Singed's passive) or releasing new champions, always nerfing after. In summary, Singed is super weak when trading at level 1.

But what about his later game, his item build? Item changes to Singed's most viable items like Rylai's Crystal Scepter (25% nerf on health and ability power, and reduced unique slows and its slow effect) (I don't even buy it anymore unless I'm someone like Malzahar) and Rod of Ages (early game nerf). The introduction of this item (I do not dare speak its name) greatly counters Singed, Singed's viability had been greatly decreased along with the new Runes system. This paragraph doesn't just apply to Singed, it applies to similar pooped-on champions like Aerelion Sol as well.

By buying literally only 1 Magic Resist item against him , Singed can't hurt you. In experience, when Singed build AP, the only person he can damage are the super squishies like the ADCs, but even they have lifesteal and unique escapes to counter him.

Hordes of butthurt Darius players, start commenting!

9 Comments

SujirenDec 7, 20173 votes

Loosing attack speed quints also hurt him, since his base attack speed and its growth is one of the worst in the game.

No fervor and no attack speed ment that Darius kill pressure in lane was basically non existent, since he relies on getting 5 stacks asap, and it became that much harder without attack speed.Once the grasp change happens on next patch he should be in a soild spot though.

PoopyMcPooppileDec 7, 20171 votes

I agree Darius's attack speed growth is one of the worse, but his lane pressure still hasn't change much especially in the early game when his attack speed is the closest to everyone else's. Bleed duration isn't really that short; it lasts for quite a long time. So while he can add on to the stack by poking with Q per autoattack, you would have to avoid taking in any more passive stacks by avoiding him and waiting until the stack duration disappears, while he dominates in CS-taking. Later on in the laning phase, his slows and autoattack-procs in between walking and ability usage would make up for his lack of attack speed growth. Plus his autoattack resets when he uses his W, and W has a relatively short cooldown.

Most importantly, this discussion isn't mainly about how overpowered Darius is, it's about the lack of buff attention other champions are receiving. I don't care if Darius gets another buff, just as long as other champions affected by the new runes system are at least getting one too.

AzadetheDec 7, 20172 votes

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Loosing attack speed quints also hurt him, since his base attack speed and its growth is one of the worst in the game.

No fervor and no attack speed ment that Darius kill pressure in lane was basically non existent, since he relies on getting 5 stacks asap, and it became that much harder without attack speed.Once the grasp change happens on next patch he should be in a soild spot though.

More like Broken. He's pulling 56% atm with people who have more than 50 games with him.

VerxintDec 7, 20173 votes

Darius had a significant win rate drop with the new runes. Singed did not. Stop making false comparisons.

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Have you seen Singed? I sure have. All he needs is a Liandry's Torment and full tank build , and he can take on 5 people without having any dents on his health bar. You can't run from him because of his superior movement speed and flip, and you can't fight him because he can damage you while running away and can't die. Even if you manage to escape with say 5-10% health, his poison will continue to hurt you and slow from his Rylai's.

See, I too can make hyperbolic and inaccurate statements

PoopyMcPooppileDec 7, 20171 votes

i find this comment funny, but one important difference between my "false" comparison and yours is that with the Singed build you have enlisted, Singed would not do much damage.

no one but Singed mains play him nowadays, and the amount of Singed mains are few, meaning it would only be a matter of time before Singed's win rate decreases.

And it's not just Singed, it is also other champions that depended on the old rune and mastery system. Singed was focused as an example, I'm pretty sure there are greater examples out there.

VerxintDec 7, 20172 votes

Yeah, and your statement is inaccurate when you say it's impossible to run from Darius. He's one of the most easily kited champions in the game.

It is also other champions that depended on the old rune and mastery system.

Singed has not seen a drop in performance with the new runes. Darius has. That is why Darius got buffs.

no one but Singed mains play him nowadays, and the amount of Singed mains are few, meaning it would only be a matter of time before Singed's win rate decreases.

This is really strange logic - if he's hurting from the changes, it would not take time for that to be reflected. Why would a lower popularity mean it takes longer for his winrate to change? There's still more than enough raw data that if he were suffering for the rune changes, it would be evident.

PoopyMcPooppileDec 8, 20171 votes

one of the most easily kited champions in the game

I've played as Darius, and he is an easily kited champion against champions like an ADC if the ADC is good and uses their mobility mechanics effectively (if any), if they haven't been caught in Darius's melee range in the first place, especially before Darius buys his vital movement speed items like the Black Cleaver item 3071 and Dead Man's Plate item 3742 as I had enlisted in the main discussion, not to mention before he can buy boots and use the new Predator mastery . So unless Darius by any means caught someone within his E pull range, you would have a difficult time escaping his CC and the extra movement speed Black Cleaver item 3071 gives Darius from the passive bleeding, thus the meaning behind my phrase, "can't run from him".

And we can go on and on again about how I'm not exactly accurate at a certain extent and in a specific situation, or how we can go on and on about your humble explanations on why Darius needs the buff, but the main point behind me rambling on about Darius's glorious power is **not **that Darius shouldn't get buffed-- I don't care if he gets another one mostly because it's more reason for me to play Darius more-- but that he shouldn't be the only one.

VerxintDec 8, 20171 votes

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I've played as Darius, and he is an easily kited champion against champions like an ADC if the ADC is good and uses their mobility mechanics effectively (if any), if they haven't been caught in Darius's melee range in the first place, especially before Darius buys his vital movement speed items like the Black Cleaver and Dead Man's Plate as I had enlisted in the main discussion, not to mention before he can buy boots and use the new Predator mastery . So unless Darius by any means caught someone within his E pull range, you would have a difficult time escaping his CC and the extra movement speed Black Cleaver gives Darius from the passive bleeding, thus the meaning behind my phrase, "can't run from him".

So what you're saying if someone makes a positioning mistake, the Juggernaut punishes them? Hmm...

And we can go on and on again about how I'm not exactly accurate at a certain extent and in a specific situation, or how we can go on and on about your humble explanations on why Darius needs the buff, but the main point behind me rambling on about Darius's glorious power is **not **that Darius shouldn't get buffed-- I don't care if he gets another one mostly because it's more reason for me to play Darius more-- but that he shouldn't be the only one.

And my main point is that if you think there are other people who need compensation, Singed is not one of them because the statistics do not reflect a need for that. Darius had one of the biggest performance drops with the preseason patch, that's why he was addressed.