Why Syndra's upcoming Passive change is a Nerf overall and not a buff like people are saying.

Perma CC·Jan 11, 2017·3 votes·1,133 views

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RevaliJan 11, 20171 votes

I've tried to explain this to countless people.

they want her gutted and removed from the game because she has really really good burst

Perma CCJan 11, 20171 votes

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I've tried to explain this to countless people.

they want her gutted and removed from the game because she has really really good burst

People are just literally stupid. Syndra's winrate is gonna drop because all the shitty players that are maining her now aren't gonna know wtf they are doing late game when they can't grab 3 spheres and one shot someone. Or mindless throw aoe stuns at teams.

And whats funny is... burst is never gonna get nerfed. Lux has it... Taliyah has it... veigar has it. Late game if you get stunned vs any burst mage... you die... Thats how it works.

RexSaurJan 11, 20171 votes

The whole "but the old W upgrade made it too easy for her ult to one shot you thats why it was op and not its dmg" is complete bullshit from syndra mains.

Her W is maxed either second or last, so that only comes into play the earliest at lvl 13 (often last).

What makes her ult broken and insanely easy to do 7 sphere ults is her Q upgrade, which extends the duration by 2s of the spheres, so you get to lvl 9, get a nomicon and now you just spam Q until one hits then you press R and 100-0 whoever you are laninig against, #skill, and this issue is not being fixed at all other than her having to wait 20s to do it again at first rank.

Her ult just has a base damage + ap ratio that is way too high, it needed some nerfs and she would be alright.

Perma CCJan 11, 20171 votes

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The whole "but the old W upgrade made it too easy for her ult to one shot you thats why it was op and not its dmg" is complete bullshit from syndra mains.

Her W is maxed either second or last, so that only comes into play the earliest at lvl 13 (often last).

What makes her ult broken and insanely easy to do 7 sphere ults is her Q upgrade, which extends the duration by 2s of the spheres, so you get to lvl 9, get a nomicon and now you just spam Q until one hits then you press R and 100-0 whoever you are laninig against, #skill, and this issue is not being fixed at all other than her having to wait 20s to do it again at first rank.

Her ult just has a base damage + ap ratio that is way too high, it needed some nerfs and she would be alright.

Sorry but if you see Syndra spamming Q's to set up a ult and you don't think "Hmm maybe she is gonna try and ult me" then that's your problem. At least now she wont be able to grab those 3 spheres and move around with them with their duration refreshed. 2 extra seconds on sphere lifetime is not why she is broken. LOOOOL that's literally her 3'rd sphere lasting just a bit longer so she can actually have time to set up a full 7 sphere ult. Syndra power increases the more spheres she has around her. People don't understand or respect that. If she spams sphere over and over she slowly runs out of mana... so this "zone" of control she maintains has a limit of time that isn't increased by her w's ability to refresh 3 spheres.

And again... you get stunned... you die. That is how pretty much every Burst mage works. You get q'd by a Lux you're gonna die. You get stunned by a Syndra your gonna die. Simple as that. Nerfing her ultimate's damage is never going to happen.

RexSaurJan 11, 20171 votes

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Sorry but if you see Syndra spamming Q's to set up a ult and you don't think "Hmm maybe she is gonna try and ult me" then that's your problem. At least now she wont be able to grab those 3 spheres and move around with them with their duration refreshed. 2 extra seconds on sphere lifetime is not why she is broken. LOOOOL that's literally her 3'rd sphere lasting just a bit longer so she can actually have time to set up a full 7 sphere ult. Syndra power increases the more spheres she has around her. People don't understand or respect that. If she spams sphere over and over she slowly runs out of mana... so this "zone" of control she maintains has a limit of time that isn't increased by her w's ability to refresh 3 spheres.

And again... you get stunned... you die. That is how pretty much every Burst mage works. You get q'd by a Lux you're gonna die. You get stunned by a Syndra your gonna die. Simple as that. Nerfing her ultimate's damage is never going to happen.

The thing is spamming Q is part of her gameplay, regardless if she has ult or not.

If she has mana (and specially blue buff) she will be spamming her Q and having spheres out, regardless if shes looking to ult you or not, she doesnt have to go out of her way to get 6 sphere ults with just nomicon and the Q upgrade at lvl 9, the only thing that you have to think about is picking one sphere with W as it is about to expire so you can add the 7th one to ult.

Im not saing syndra isnt supposed to burst ppl or do damage, but she just does it too well and easily, even with the current changes happening to her for the reasons said above.

So they either need to make it so its actually hard to get a 7 sphere ult (to justify its current massive base damage + ap ratio) or make it so it does less damage.

Perma CCJan 11, 20171 votes

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The thing is spamming Q is part of her gameplay, regardless if she has ult or not.

If she has mana (and specially blue buff) she will be spamming her Q and having spheres out, regardless if shes looking to ult you or not, she doesnt have to go out of her way to get 6 sphere ults with just nomicon and the Q upgrade at lvl 9, the only thing that you have to think about is picking one sphere with W as it is about to expire so you can add the 7th one to ult.

Exactly. Spamming Q's is about her game play, but again BURST MAGES are gonna one shot you. Veigar lands his stun your gonna die. LUX LANDS HER ROOT your gonna die (but from massive range at the cost of her ult not being a point and click). Land a E with Taliyah you're going to die. Also Syndra's ult is heavily countered by Zhonyas, Steraks and Maw so if that's the part of her kit you find problematic then build against it.

And I mean she is basically being reverted back to pre-mage update skill ceiling wise, and pre mage update she was extremely weak.

Perma CCJan 11, 20171 votes

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The thing is spamming Q is part of her gameplay, regardless if she has ult or not.

If she has mana (and specially blue buff) she will be spamming her Q and having spheres out, regardless if shes looking to ult you or not, she doesnt have to go out of her way to get 6 sphere ults with just nomicon and the Q upgrade at lvl 9, the only thing that you have to think about is picking one sphere with W as it is about to expire so you can add the 7th one to ult.

Im not saing syndra isnt supposed to burst ppl or do damage, but she just does it too well and easily, even with the current changes happening to her for the reasons said above.

So they either need to make it so its actually hard to get a 7 sphere ult (to justify its current massive base damage + ap ratio) or make it so it does less damage.

Overall, her consistancy is actually being gutted. LATE GAME Syndra's are gonna be a mess... specifically the shitty Syndra players that abuse the W upgrade. More games are going to be lost because Syndra's can't manage their spheres late game which is going to cause a drop in win-rate which is the overall goal here. And she even got her early game hella nerfed by increasing cool-down on ult and lowering w damage pre-maxed which i would call consistency being removed.