BRUISERS ARENT BALANCED RIGHT NOW SOMEONE HAS TO SAY IT

Perma CC·Jul 10, 2018·59 votes·13,117 views

CAN WE STOP pretending that bruisers are in a healthy state right now??? WHAT BECAUSE HASHINSHIN SAID SO??? The guy is a fucking joke.... Bruisers are absolute cancer and are in the strongest state they have ever been in in a while, Too strong for that matter. ATM they are unkillable and Do insane ammounts of damage for no reason... they ignore towers starting at level 3. Riots been listening to hashinshin too much... bruisers need nerfed. Conqueror needs nerfed. < that or TOWERS need to be buffed immensely because atm they are fucking useless and dont protect the player during laning phase at all.

107 Comments

DisembarkJul 10, 201827 votes

Boards has been full of mage/bruiser mains for the longest time I can remember (since I frequented late season 6).

Regardless of what their actual state is, bruisers/mages will be "weak" and other roles will be strong. Even now, you'll see a lot of ADC mains flock in because of how hard their role got nerfed, but they are wayyy overshadowed by the number of mage & bruiser mains.

Look at early season 8:

People will bitch about how AD mids > AP mids, when both the pick rates and win rates of AP mids was objectively higher. Now that they are ACTUALLY better, the whining has gone ten-fold.

Or people will bitch about how OP tanks are when they're all literally sitting at 48% win rates. Now tanks are completely fucking worthless but people won't talk about how bruisers are S-tier picks in top, jungle, mid, and even bot lane.

Gameplay boards is where you go when you want to have a laugh at bronzes talk about how "X champion is OP because of Y item ( that he actually never builds )" - not for actual balance discussion.

Automated RivenJul 11, 20185 votes

To be fair. At the begining of the year bruisers were garbage. However. I agree they are overpowered as fuck now.

Spicy RiceJul 11, 20182 votes

Are they though?

Looking at League of Graphs, in terms of winrate, there are 3 "Bruisers" in the top 10, one of which is Wukong, who is basically an assassin, and the other 2 being Yorick and Garen.

In terms of pickrate, there are 2 in the top 10, Darius, and Aatrox, with the same 2 in the top 10 for ban rate

Hemulen MagiJul 11, 20189 votes

A lot of tanks are extremely underpowered. There are virtually no exceptions to this, however Taric is doing well statistically because of gold funneling and synergy/countering with Slayers. In general, tanks are sub-optimal and not being played right now. Tanks cannot currently compete well in the jungle or top lane and they are barely competitive as supports.

A lot of mages are extremely underpowered. There are a few exceptions that are very strong, but mages remain very optional in general and maintain low total pick rates across the board besides the few exceptions which are still not major outliers compared to Marksmen, Fighters, or Assassins.

Many marksmen are very strong and are still in the vast majority of games. By most measurements, a marksman is still the strongest champion in multiple positions at any recent given time ( Quinn top, MissFortune bot, Kaisa bot, Draven bot, Lucian bot, Graves jg, Kindred jg are all the top pick in their position right now by different ways of measuring). A couple marksmen actually are underpowered (as is true for every other class), but they all remain relatively popular except Kalista who is kept in the dumpster. As a class, marksmen are still probably extremely overpowered considering they are still in 90+% of teams despite both tanks and enchanters being out of the meta and assassins and divers being extremely prevalent.

Fighters in general are overpowered right now, though that may be in part because of slayers being picked in most games and some games having double slayers. If tanks were tankier, then fighters would be more balanced because they wouldn't win their lanes as hard and reliably against the few tanks still being played. They are still some weak fighters, like RekSai and fighters are still considered less mandatory than marksmen according to pick rates.

Slayers (the primary class that includes assassins and skirmishers like Yasuo Tryndamere MasterYi ) in general are extremely overpowered, but especially AD slayers. Snowballing slayers have practically no counterplay at all and the ease at which they can snowball in the current meta due to the lack of functional tanks and enchanters to counter them is ridiculous. Slayers are just about as overpowered as marksmen right now, which is really saying something considering the meta of the game for the last 3+ years has had mostly mandatory marksmen.

Controllers (enchanters and catchers) are pretty balanced right now, but like is usually true, there are a couple ( Morgana Nami ) who are somewhat overpowered compared to their competition.

Buffing tanks' survivability without giving them damage, making mages more versatile instead of being burst or waveclear, and giving slayers more counterplay are all things that Riot should do. If tanks are buffed and slayers are nerfed, then marksmen should also get some compensation nerfs since they are statistically still doing well in a meta that is strongly against them, even if the role isn't much fun right now because of the slayers. Fixing the slayer meta will make things more fun for most marksmen players even if it costs them damage nerfs. If tanks come back and slayers become rarer without marksmen being nerfed, then the current 90% mandatory marksmen will go back to 100% quickly.

SociopathFriendJul 11, 20184 votes

You had me up until Nami and Morgana are 'overpowered'.

BoilTheOilJul 11, 20184 votes

idk id say morg is pretty strong right now

redniwediSJul 10, 201826 votes

You got something objective to share?

Perma CCJul 10, 20184 votes

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You got something objective to share?

No I dont but you're welcome to leave, bye.

redniwediSJul 10, 201822 votes

You won't convince anyone with only subjective statements.

Go find some facts if you would. We really do like facts around here.

Perma CCJul 10, 20183 votes

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ÞhoenixJul 10, 20183 votes

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Perma CCJul 10, 20181 votes

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^This

Thanks but I can fight my own battles :P

redniwediSJul 10, 201810 votes

Wouldn't really call me asking for facts and you having a temper tantrum a battle...

redniwediSJul 10, 201822 votes

You're attacking me because I asked you to support your opinions with facts?

What the flying fuck.

It's not like there are no facts, other threads with the same opinion as you are actually supporting themselves. Why you are aggressively unreasonable is beyond me.

Zero Skill TankJul 11, 20181 votes

Bruisers got buffed ad absurdum on nothing but subjective crying, tho - and that's an objective fact.

redniwediSJul 11, 20181 votes

Not really. The numbers also supported the fact that "bruisers" (skirmishers and divers more than juggernauts) were a little on the weak side and needed something to help them, and since few of them had synergy with any keystone runes that was a clear area for improvement.

No one asked for Conqueror, but many people did manage ask for something along the lines of Fervor of Battle without crying about it.

SugeMinPikkJul 11, 20181 votes

This is gameplay. Gameplay definitely does not like facts.

redniwediSJul 11, 20182 votes

Gameplay isn't a cohesive community. The regulars like facts, and the people who only come by to bitch about things wouldn't know a fact if it was listed plain as day.

SugeMinPikkJul 11, 20181 votes

I've seen multiple posts with 20+ upvotes from one person on this board complaining about Yasuo when he was objectively terrible

redniwediSJul 11, 20181 votes

And? That doesn't really go against what I just said.

KelgJul 10, 201822 votes

Someone just finished losing to a bruiser. [sg-miss-fortune]

2DunksFromHellJul 11, 20187 votes

Lol this guy crying is amazing, lets nerf all bruisers but let assasins kill everyone even faster

nGioJul 11, 20187 votes

I say nerf them both. This game used to have ADCs and tanks.

PaffWasTakenJul 11, 20188 votes

You mean this game used to have ONLY ADCs and Tanks, right?

NaymlissJul 11, 20184 votes

In solo queue bruisers have always had a higher pick rate than tanks top lane, even when tanks were strongest.

Meep ManJul 11, 20187 votes

Correction: "Mobile Bruisers"

Completely immobile Bruisers are only decent right now at most.

Edit: Hey deny all you want, but are you guys gonna sit there and say Darius DrMundo Garen Illaoi Mordekaiser Nasus Olaf Shyvana Singed Trundle Udyr Urgot Volibear Yorick are OP right now?

No, I think the group of characters you are talking about is closer to: Camille Fiora Irelia Jax Kled MasterYi Nocturne Pantheon Renekton Riven Tryndamere MonkeyKing XinZhao Yasuo

QuešJul 11, 20183 votes

Correction: "few skirmishers and camille"

CyberBaltJul 11, 20182 votes

Yeah I'm worried about people lumping juggernauts with the actual problem fighters. It's worse considering juggernauts haven't been good for a long, long time.

I Love RosesJul 11, 20181 votes

udyr is op what are you talking about, they nerged shyvana because she is op, and most of the other ones are juggernaut.

Jaygo41Jul 11, 20184 votes

DrMundo Garen Singed Trundle Udyr Camille Jax Nocturne MonkeyKing Yasuo are all too strong

PaffWasTakenJul 11, 20184 votes

That feel when for months Bruisers are an actual joke and as soon as they even begin to point their nose in the meta, people call injustice...

GayFluffyUnicornJul 11, 20182 votes

This place and pretty much every league community are 95% gold and below. They stand still in front of garen and call bruisers broken. Just look for my comments yesterday. Bruisers are shit, still. Toplane gets nerfed even further. All statistical facts. Conq isn't relevant apart from three champs.

jocomotionJul 11, 20183 votes

I want some evidence. Numbers. Anything before I even discuss this. Otherwise this is nothing but another cry thread.

Perma CCJul 11, 20183 votes

Whats sad is how obvious it is that all the downvotes anyone is getting agreeing with me are from people that MOST LIKELY main bruisers. LOL That's unfortunately the sad truth.

QuešJul 11, 20181 votes

get gud pathetic trashcan zyra main,ur champ is freelo op

VectrosJul 11, 20183 votes

I don't think they're overtuned, I think the game is overtuned. Conqueror is too strong, and because of all the easy access to damage, they can burst people down harder than they should. Towers are too weak.

Nerf damage across the board, buff towers, nerf Conqueror (at least early game), and we'll see ADC's come back. Don't nerf bruisers individually-they were crap not too long ago, it's because of the overall state of things they are doing well.

sad þoyJul 11, 20183 votes

I'm perfectly fine with letting bruisers having their spotlight for a while like every other class but they are a bit too OP in their current state..

Leto GTJul 11, 20182 votes

just play . Delete those bruisers. Game is much more enjoyable since I spam him. I don't necessarely oneshot them with malzahar but they're dead regardless in teamfight because of my R. Assassin are deleted for sure. Takes some practice but wow, he's doing so well in that assassin/bruiser meta. Games are ending too short for them to build item 3140 and if they do, they lose damage. You can play him mid or botlane and scale really good anyhow.

QuešJul 11, 20182 votes

okay,what bruisers ?Because 80% of bruisers dont even use conqueror and the other 20% are all around 50%.So what bruisers are broken right now in your opinion ?

TangoMango33Jul 11, 20182 votes

Jax Irelia Camille MonkeyKing Aatrox

QuešJul 11, 20183 votes

MonkeyKing Play like a pure assasin now and obviously overtuned with 55% wr,but I wouldnt consider him "bruiser" at all in his current build/iteration.

Camille Well she is strong for sure,but not overbearing after her recent nerf imo and she is not Conqueror user.

Aatrox Agree,he is very strong early game now,close to unbeatable,but he falls off the hardest too.Not conq user.

Irelia ? OMEGALUL,45% wr too strong I guess.

Jax ? LUL,he loses like about every matchup top now and is only useable as counterpick to things like Irelia/Camille/Fiora.

I think u missed the real powerhouses "bruisers"(though they are not bruisers) Tryndamere Yasuo MasterYi (even though he is mostly low elo thing) and Darius Garen XinZhao to some extend

TangoMango33Jul 11, 20181 votes

Irelia has a 45% winrate, and Yasuo and yi hava a 48% winrate.

QuešJul 11, 20183 votes

Yasuo is permapick for every lane in high elo and even in competitive.Tryndamere is just stupid after recent buff,ppl stated to run ap trynd with a huge success too.Yi is more about low elo I suppose and born by rageblade interaction with his passive/E and conqueror,I think he is not that problematic atm,its all about player frustration though.

GayFluffyUnicornJul 11, 20182 votes

? Jax is utter dogshit and in jungle he doesn't take conq. Irelia dogshit. Wukong is a whatever champ. Assassin. The others don't take conq. And wukong doesnt either.

IdveYsUfSKJul 11, 20182 votes

Its only the sub select slayers that are very overtuned atm. Especially the ones that scale with attackspeed and conquerer. Even though they have poor winrates, its because they are bad player magnets which attracts players who are not even playing them properly.

QuešJul 11, 20181 votes

No,it is Yasuo/Trynd because with conqueror they have double benefit(flat AD for crit),arguably master YI because of rageblade passive E conq interaction.Riven,Fiora and Jax are not that strong.

DKM BismarckJul 11, 20182 votes

Fiora is rather powerful in soloq right now, honestly.

Acheron16Jul 11, 20181 votes

Wait you telling me the guy's saying his favourite class is ok now that it is broken instead of complaining when his class was balanced??

Whadda ya know

TheDeviceJul 12, 20181 votes

Or, maybe people are claiming they're broken because now is not so easy to pay against them.

While bruisers have been playing an underperforming class, they've had to play better and smarter than the people playing stronger classes. Now that the classes are a bit more even, non bruiser players still haven't adjusted and bruiser players, having been used to playing with a handicap, are now steamrolling the players who were used to playing with an edge.