You know, like having more than 3 auto-attacks that don't feel like shit to use. And I mean this regardless of how weak/strong/cancerous Graves jungle/top is. Who misses the Graves that we grew to love over several seasons?
Only Play Darius6 votesI liked Graves post-rework in the botlane. As someone who mains top lane he was the perfect ADC for me and one of the very few I could actually do well on
THE RlVER KlNG5 votesIf you think current Graves' autos are weak then I don't know what to tell you son
50000000000000004 votesThat's not what OP is saying though
Ahristocats3 voteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FU4usDzMRI
i miss this shit
Adrian Blackbear3 votesI miss the old Graves, pre marksman update. He was my go-to ADC.
Theseus852 votesI was ok with him jg till they made him even out of place there as well now. he has now found himself in a place much like aatrox and will probably go to die in that pit of never fixing that shit.
R FLASH XD2 votesHe used to be my go to adc but ya know....
BIackfox2 votesFeel like shit?
ABlueQuaker2 votesautowaitautowaitautowaitwaitwait
BIackfox11 votes[{quoted}](name=A Blue Quaker,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zwgwMLjG,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-10-27T11:59:39.191+0000)
autowaitautowaitautowaitwaitwait
ABlueQuaker3 votesBut Jhin actually hits a nice fantasy late game and his auto attack animation doesn't suck major ballsack like graves'.
Meep Man1 votesOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!
You mean it just doesn't feel powerful to use.
ABlueQuaker1 votesYes. Even if they are objectively powerful.
IcyPepper2 votesBut Jhin actually hits a nice fantasy late game
Doesn't Graves have a nice fantasy early/mid-game?
Poske2 votesWtf is wrong with graves aa animation?
Its fast can be canceled easly and followed up after ability easly
Jeddy0174 votesWell that's the price to pay for Graves's shotgun to function like, well, a shotgun. It adds to his fantasy.
ReZisT Lust1 votesLets give him a full auto shot gun
CerealBoxOfDoom2 votesI sure hope you are the only one
Athenes Lulu2 votesI still see them once in a while.
He wins almost every time I see one.
BoilTheOil2 voteshe was my go to adc
PermabannedGaren2 votes[{quoted}](name=A Blue Quaker,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zwgwMLjG,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-10-27T08:49:07.432+0000)
You know, like having more than 3 auto-attacks that don't feel like shit to use. And I mean this regardless of how weak/strong/cancerous Graves jungle/top is. Who misses the Graves that we grew to love over several seasons?
Nope, not even a little bit.
Old Graves had a boring and generic playstyle. He was fat Lucian. Whoo, so fun, lol.
ABlueQuaker1 votesCurrent Graves is arguably even more boring and generic. He gets ridiculous Armor and MR as a crutch instead of actually having to orb walk like a proper ADC.
Not to mention that, if anything, Lucian was a thin Graves. Old Graves was the OG. By the time Lucian came around Graves had withered away due to power creep and endless nerfs and tweaks.
PermabannedGaren2 votes[{quoted}](name=A Blue Quaker,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zwgwMLjG,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2016-10-28T05:02:54.456+0000)
Current Graves is arguably even more boring and generic. He gets ridiculous Armor and MR as a crutch instead of actually having to orb walk like a proper ADC.
He's not, actually, and if you believe he is you're wrong.
He's a ranged bruiser, which is already more unique a concept than "ranged right click crit machine" that standard ADCs are.
He can only fire two auto attacks at a fixed attack speed before he has to reload. This was a completely new mechanic at the time, which Jhin later borrowed. For compensation his auto attacks do more damage per shot relative to his AD than any other champion. He's also very short-ranged for a marksman, and only gets the most from his autos from point blank range, making him essentially melee.
His Q is a delayed skill shot that detonates faster if it hits a wall, which is more unique than a standard cone damage spell (though it did have the "does more damage at closer range" aspect, but that's part of his auto attacks now so it's not actually gone). I don't really remember the W changes, his E was combined with his passive (and given higher values to compensate for his much shorter range), and his ult was functionally unchanged.
He's far more unique now, lol.
Kosm1K3 votesSure he's unique, but so would a retarded Unicorn with a peg leg and mechanical wings. Does that mean that the Unicorn would be fun to ride because it's unique? Hell no. I used to main old graves adc and now I hardly touch him, riot has ruined him for me, he's not an adc anymore, he's just a shitty melee carry that can't carry because he's either too squish to stay alive and deal damage or he's too tank and can't deal enough damage. The only time I see a graves carry is when the enemy team is too stupid till the squish graves in teamfight or just ignore the tank graves and focus on the squishies. He's basically a renekton now but with buffed range and less tank stats.
Honestly I call it a loss when I have a graves jung because they more often than not, struggle there, and don't gank, or just farm and dont gank. If they're one of the few that do gank, they just end up feeding. Graves top is ok kind of, but that's about it. He's not really a marksman anymore, he's some sort of freaking ranged fighter.
ProfDrDeath1 votesJust as a note, Graves does not have a fixed attack speed. Rather, he has a very low base AS that can make you feel that way.
ViiLLAiN1 voteswe need him as a adc for next season but riot loves fucking changing shit
Imperial Pandaa1 votesOccasionally I still get one on my team. I actually team him up with Zyra or Sion Support, and have a blast.
Venomar1 votesI think it would be really neat if they removed the armor and MR stacking from his E, or reduced it greatly, and made him instead refund his ammo with a new ammo type each time he dashed. So like he'd "pew pew" and then E away and refill his shotgun with slugs and gain increased range and be able to crit and then "pew pew" and dash back in and switch back to buckshot.
That'd be neat.
It Hertz When IP4 votesThat sounds like possibly the worst balancing nightmare in the world.
Kosm1K1 votesThe dash reload thing is exactly like Mcree's ability in Overwatch
Abandon1 votesI've learned to fear red smite graves, I would love to take on old graves any day (cigar and all).
SpecterVonBaren1 votesI do miss having a "tank" marksman I could play when I knew I wasn't going to get any peel from our 
"support".
Saianna1 votesI kinda miss his old Q.. I liked that trishot thingie
ABlueQuaker1 votesNot gonna lie, old graves had some pretty mint synergy with Runaan's Hurricane, and Riot gave it crit and movement speed in the Marksman Update. Surely that would have been enough to make Old Graves a solid pick.
option paralysis1 votesSame here, I don't really play adcs but Graves was the only one that was badass and looked fun and I could actually do well on him. I tried playing him in the jungle now, but I go insane waiting for those AA's to reload. It feels clunky as shit.
Kosm1K1 votesI used to main Graves adc, it was a blast. You'd feel badass for closing the gap and point black Q'ing the enemy caitlyn in the face, then using smokescreen to cut off her escape while you auto'd her and if going got tough you would just ult to finish them off while kiting their melee champs. Especially when furor enchantment was a thing and you didn't have limited auto attacks.
xMrSmilesx1 votesGraves adc is always fun...and yes I mean IS fun. I dust off the adc when I get a blitz sup. That duo is toxic. Blitz pull near wall. Dash and q the wall getting double damage instantly. Use smokescreen. Auto 2 times. Dash. Auto. Then ult for kill. So toxic and abusive. But it was sad seeing my freelo get gutted when his crit was reduces hard.
Graves was also fun since season 2. Old q as a triangle that hit everything helped trading it was unfair. Then ult for the burst. So who mains blitz? We'll get together for some bot lane play.