Either it's thin enough for you to break through it relatively unharmed, or it's too thick and you just bounce the fuck off it and cry about how much it hurt without acknowledging how stupid it was to try to do it in the first place.
garren927 votesJust a reminder to all of you that champions like 
are juggernauts, not tanks.[slayer-jinx-wink]
TotalJerk10 votesJuggernauts are offtanks.
50000000000000009 votesOff-tanks are just another word for fighters, no?
HayRoss9 votesOff-tanks are pretty much every meta build right now. Half damage, half tank, because everyone is dying too fast due to horrendous damage creep
Rian3 votesThere are some champions which abuse the mastery and item system like armor pen builds on ranged ad caster. But If tanks build tank items they are very tanky. However they are doing stupid damage with offtank items and still have decent tank stats with just one resistance item. So why should you bother about zoning/peeling if you can kill the enemy carries?
The Problem is not damage in general but there effectiveness on certain champions. I can think about two possible solutions. Either reduce scaling and base damage on tanks or reduce there base defens stats. I prefer the second solution because this way you actually need to build tanky to prevent to get oneshoted like any ohter carry but you are still able to build damge if you want to play your champion as burster rather than the intended role. The first solution is easier in terms of balancing of cause.
Spoofghoul2 votesdude are u dumb
tanks build damage because they can't tank lol
why bother going full tank when you melt just as fast as ur adc your better of building damage and killing them first so you don't die
Rian2 votesYea sure and why would you play a melee damage dealer over a ranged one if you are as squishy as them? Your comment is pointless. Did you actually do the math? Resistance build are very strong against carries (especiallly burst). People build damage on tanks because it works incredible well. Btw if fulltanks are really that weak why are they so common in pro play?
RiCaR13 votesHalf-tank? You mean Black Cleaver and full tank then? This seems pretty much tank to me.
TotalJerk2 votesSort of, sort of not. A pure tank excels at tankiness, an off tank is capable of functioning as a tank to a lesser extent while offering something else in return. Some fighters can be offtanks: 
, while others can't: 
.
There are champions that can be also either depending on the build:
The Yetii Rider19 votesThe reason people are complaining so much about tanks being squishy is because a lot of tanks aren't actually building tank. They're building items like 
Tanks build resistances. When you don't build resistances, you are paper that looks tanky.
Ralanr17 votesI don't build titanic hydra. Everybody keeps telling me to but I hardly see the point in using it when I don't AA that much at all.
My team is my damage. I already have enough waveclear in my kit alone as Sion.
The Yetii Rider5 votesYeah, Sion is just easy to kill because Sion's base stats are so absurdly horrible.
1784 base health and 23 armor at level 1 is soooo bad for a tank.
Ralanr9 votesProbably just meant to encourage him building tanky. Honestly the low health alone is enough to do that.
Low armor just makes all that bonus armor pen hurt more when I stack it against heavy AD teams.
The Yetii Rider6 votesNo, the low armor (combined with the nerf he got to his early game shield) makes him too weak to clear the jungle effectively, and the jungle is where a scaling, global engage tank belongs.
DeathBurst5 votesI started playing Sion jungle AFTER the nerf you're mentioning, and I never had any problem clearing...
TheDevice3 votesI don't build titanic hydra. Everybody keeps telling me to but I hardly see the point in using it when I don't AA that much at all.
My team is my damage. I already have enough waveclear in my kit alone as Sion.
I like it as a final item option on Sion. Usually I really don't build any real damage on him anymore because its not exactly worth it but on him late game as final item is kinda nice
Lovelle9 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7UkBFAy,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-07-28T16:06:55.429+0000)
The reason people are complaining so much about tanks being squishy is because a lot of tanks aren't actually building tank. They're building items like
Tanks build resistances. When you don't build resistances, you are paper that looks tanky.
I build Sion with tank items and he still drops pretty fast. The problem with building no damage is that you become completely dependent on the real damage dealers to do theit jobs correctly. If they cant, the game might as well be 4v5, because you'll do no damage and just die repeatedly while no one follows up on your plays.
The Yetii Rider9 votesI build Sion with tank items and he still drops pretty fast. The problem with building no damage is that you become completely dependent on the real damage dealers to do theit jobs correctly. If they cant, the game might as well be 4v5, because you'll do no damage and just die repeatedly while no one follows up on your plays.
That's the point of tanking. Might as well say the same thing about support, there's still a support every game
Ralanr7 votesI feel that makes people think that tanks should only support. Which kinda irritates me to be honest.
Nothing wrong with tank supports, but there are other kinds of supports and tanks can go other places.
Though yeah, tanks are basically another support in the team.
Anags5 votesA lot of tanks were pigeon holed into the support role. Like, leona, alistar, teric, and braum.
If they get popular elsewhere riot hits them the very next patch
MoonToonEx7 votesI'd have to disagree.
In a MMO, yeah, tanks are supposed to do like no DMG and just be aggro magnets. You're facing an AI with Aggro systems and it's up to the tank to make sure the boss/ mobs are focused on them and not the soft DPS classes.
But human's aren't the same, the only way you can give people a reason to focus on you is if you're a threat. That's why tanks need DMG.
Ralanr4 votesNot stupid damage mind you, just enough for people to realize, "Oh, he hurts."
Hammerpriest2 votesYou should say that to FFXIV tanks. Or FFXIV healers as well. Or FFXIV supports. It's everyone's job to pump out more dps whIle still holding hate, healing, or providing utility.
Votable Jester4 votesCC gets their attention pretty well too.
Lovelle2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7UkBFAy,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2016-07-28T16:40:38.285+0000)
That's the point of tanking. Might as well say the same thing about support, there's still a support every game
Might as well just play a bruiser, if that's the case. In most games, but especially LoL, a tank has to have some damage in order to be a threat. Otherwise, why focus them?
With every new dps champ, with utility, that gets released, pure tanks slowly lose their place in this game. Damage + CC enables you to carry even heavy teams, while pure utility is team dependent.
Blackstone014 votesThose aren't tanks. Those are "tanks", i.e. fighters and assassins that build really tanky.
BastionKross17 votesTanks were actually in an alright spot in season 5 after cinderhulk came to power. Yes, it broke a few champs (as is normal for anything Riot does these days) but they got nerfs specifically to deal with their interaction and were quelled in a few patches.
For the rest, cinderhulk allowed them survive longer than five seconds in a teamfight. Cinderhulk allowed tanks to contain assassins instead of being food for them. Cinderhulk allowed tanks to achieve "tanky" status quicker, and thus made being a tank more fulfilling. It made being a tank mean something; specifically not that you were an extra two or three autos/spells from death compared to a squishy mage like in season 6.
Being in a real tank meta (as opposed to a meta where everyone is tanky, as there's a huge, important difference) means that tanks being popular made the game more diverse. Assassins were still viable, but not as popular, so champs vulnerable to assassins actually saw play. Support tanks were starting to lose their place as king because they couldn't buy cinderhulk, and we started seeing more caster and healing supports in addition to tanky supports. With teams having at least one, and often two tanks, carry tops and junglers were starting to appear with about the same frequency as tanky ones.
In fact, cinderhulk was such a success that top laners were taking smite just to buy it and feel like a tank should. Did Riot do the right thing and make cinderhulk into an item that solo laners could buy so they didn't need to waste a summoner spell? Hell no! They were offended that laners were buying a jungle item and nerfed the crap out of it (without buffing the champs that got nerfed for it back up, hello Sejuani).
And then with the nerfs to cinderhulk and the newly released sated devourer, tanks were pretty firmly kicked out of the jungle and the season 5 meta went from "Hey, lots of different things are viable now" to "Get sated, win game" and then stayed there until season 6.
Then in season 6, marksmen got all kinds of buffs to their kits, mechanics, and itemization and they all started ripping tanks in half with more ease than ever before. To combat this, Riot stupidly decided not to make tanks tankier, but to give them more damage so they are more of a threat. That's great if you're Mundo, but not every tank is Mundo. In fact, Mundo is more of a juggernaut these days; which is what Riot attempted to turn a lot of tanks into with juggernaut items to band-aid solve the problem of them being next to useless.
Tanks didn't need more damage, they needed to survive and be a slow, grinding threat. Cinderhulk encouraged that when it was strong, and that's why tanks actually accomplished things with it.
The Blue Rajah16 votesI would love to see someone break through a thin pane of glass and come out unharmed. That would be truly amazing.
Bladerunner77778 votes1 atom thick glass LEEETS GOOOO
DorkunedAuras12 votesassuming it would be capable of holding itself up, that would cut right through your skin, and hurt A LOT
SwiftKitten8823 votes[{quoted}](name=The Blue Rajah,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7UkBFAy,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-07-28T16:07:42.428+0000)
I would love to see someone break through a thin pane of glass and come out unharmed. That would be truly amazing.
yeah there is a REASON they use "candy glass" in the movies.... if you tried that with real glass. you would be cut to ribbons
The Blue Rajah3 votesHence the point of my comment. Perhaps I should've said "astounding" instead of amazing.
dapositiveviking4 votesu said truly, so you should've said outrageous, not astounding or amazing
Theorchero3 votes[{quoted}](name=The Blue Rajah,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=h7UkBFAy,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-07-28T16:07:42.428+0000)
I would love to see someone break through a thin pane of glass and come out unharmed. That would be truly amazing.
It's totally possible if you break it with your boot on or with another object before actually going through it like a smart person.
Seenan4 votesSo...Vayne vs Zac and anyone vs Rammus/mumu
ABlueQuaker3 votesDepends on the Vayne and the Zac and the circumstances of the fight.
LankPants22 votes95% of the time Vayne is going to tear through Zac like a paper bag. 5% of the time she raged at her team and AFKed.
Mhihnj7 votesthe diamond Vayne smurfs always afk
IceKingChernobog2 votes95% of the time Vayne is going to tear through Zac like a paper bag. 5% of the time she raged at her team and AFKed.
Good zac players know not to take on vayne alone
Arakadia2 votesZac hurts a ton, but Vayne would probably win.
balbraaksel4 votesAnd the difference between that is because of 
.
Sammystorm3 votesGuys. Tanks aren't really the problem. Bruisers are. We don't see a ton of top lane 
or anymore. Instead we see champions like or 
building 1 or 2 damage items and then being tanky enough to stay in fights for extended periods of time. Bruisers have always been a problem class. Much like assassins.
MunchCrunchLunch2 votesto those saying that building 1 damage/hp item along with 5 tank items isn't tanky enough. I'd like to see that extra tank item efficiency. does it make a difference really? I don't notice a damn thing when i build bc on darius or not.i still die in 3-4 seconds when i get focused down even though i have 4k hp near 300 armor and 200 mr.
CoolKnightST2 votesOveral the tank class (wardens mostly) need a rework. They should be tanky in teamfights (5v5) but more squishy outside that. Basicly items that makes them more tanky the more people are arround. To ballance this out these tank stats should scale with their other defensive items. I give an example:
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GULAG 4 U1 votesThe question is how many adcs can actually melt down tanks without skipping core items to buy tank melting items (LW/BOTRK).
I don't think this is realistic, It's possible but you're exaggerating..
PB4UAME2 votesBotRK is core for a great number of ADCs, and LW has ALWAYS been core for ADCs. It's universally been the best third item choice for boosting damage for ADCs for years since its initial rework-- before that it was built first, or second.
