9/11/13/15/17 second cooldown. Max charges, 4/5/6/7/8. Starts at 4 on respawn. You can only use it once per autoattacking 1/1/2/2/3 times on the same target - exposing their weakness. It becomes an active ability which you have to press to empower your next autoattack on that one target only.
Increases skill required by a bit. She can actually run out of anti-tank rounds in extended periods of fights.
Thoughts?
RiotRiotRepertoir16 votesSounds pretty complicated, honestly, and extraordinarily complicated relative to the current complexity level of Silver Bolts.
We probably won't do something like the above suggestion, but we do plan to make a few minor adjustments to Vayne in the upcoming marksmen changes.
Cowgirl Ed1 votesSounds pretty complicated, honestly, and extraordinarily complicated relative to the current complexity level of Silver Bolts.
We probably won't do something like the above suggestion, but we do plan to make a few minor adjustments to Vayne in the upcoming marksmen changes.
Like resetting her condemn cooldown when every third silver bolt hit? That would be a nice change to make her more balanced
Goodest Gamer1 votesROFL.
Vekkna5 votesHow about giving it a cooldown on proc starting at 5 seconds and reduced by 1 sec per rank. That's pretty simple and not remotely complicated.
The benefit is that she will actually scale equally well into late game instead of scaling super hard from an early 
OR she can delay her mobility and trading early by ranking W first instead of Q.
Simple, fair, and fits with the champ vision without changing her kit.
Phoenix Kotori 2 votesI don't think it's right for a MAX HP + FLAT TRUE DAMAGE to be so **simply **it's what makes all hate the shit out of Vayne whenever she becomes remotely meta because there is no limiter besides 3 AAs.
Trading Aces1 votesI was really hoping for some a bit more than minor, but I would mind if it means that there'll be more focus on improving other adcs.
Zone of Endless1 votesSounds pretty complicated, honestly, and extraordinarily complicated relative to the current complexity level of Silver Bolts.
We probably won't do something like the above suggestion, but we do plan to make a few minor adjustments to Vayne in the upcoming marksmen changes.
When are the changes? Sometime after worlds?
53436278DEL14 votesperfect
Lord Dusteon3 votesSo you want her main offensive tool she pays range, waveclear, poke, and sieging for to be crippled. You want it to INCREASE cooldown as she levels up (up to almost half a minute FOR ONE FREAKING ROUND) and increase the charges while doing so (WHY DOES IT TAKE KARTHUS TIER 1 ULTIMATE LEVELS OF TIME TO GET HER MAIN OFFENSIVE TOOL BACK?).
I am entirely unconvinced Vayne needs one of her main offensive tools gutted to the point where leveling it up past 1 point is actively detrimental to the game.
Chaotic Reks1 votesmy eyes are bleeding from reading this 
ninjaIRL 1 votesI love the exaggeration, you should work for Fox News.
So that Vayne has to choose when to pull out her anti-tank rounds. She can either waste all of it on squishies or save them for tanks.
Lord Dusteon1 votes[{quoted}](name=ninjaIRL ,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zu1U59xi,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2015-09-22T15:02:18.382+0000)
I love the exaggeration, you should work for Fox News.
So that Vayne has to choose when to pull out her anti-tank rounds. She can either waste all of it on squishies or save them for tanks.
None of that was exaggeration. Your numbers LITERALLY make a Rank 5 Vayne W take 200 seconds to recharge. For comparison, a rank 1 Karthus ult cooldown is 200 seconds (and he can actually itemize cdr) and teleporting to a tower is a 240 second cooldown. You want her basic ability to take 56-200 seconds to actually be reliable. You want her main offensive tool to gain 12+ seconds to reach 4 charges every time you level it up. You want her main offensive tool to be the new highest cooldown barring some summoner spells in the entire game, for a basic, not particularly strong ability.
So again, I am unconvinced Vayne needs her W to be gutted to the point of nonexistence. With your changes she can't safely use it in lane most of the time (which while making her early game 'weaker' is a short sighted and asinine approach) or late game (because lategame she recharges them faster by suiciding and being dead for a minute than by actually waiting). If you want to remove Vayne's W just say that instead of putting out guttings of her steroid she pays for because "I don't think people should have true damage".
ninjaIRL 1 votesYou make a valid point. Therefore I have changed it.
She has % true damage which has no counters, really.
Fiveofswords3 votesprobably the biggest nerf to vayne i can think of would be if people just assumed she was balanced and learned how to play against her instead of wasting their time complaining/dreaming of fantasy nerfs.
FizzicallyNothin2 votesAmazing!
Joquan2 votesThis is going to make vayne trash tier. Never going to happen.
Myrddin2 votesvayne is fine
Stop it, all of you
instead of looking to nerf crap, why not talk about buffs to graves and lucian, you know the adcs that keep her in check that were nerfed because you ass clowns bitched a couple months back.
Rabid Husky1 votesactually all marksmen are gonna get looked at and probably normalized soon with some getting the ashe treatment of one or 2 spells getting changed or getting moved to another way of thinking
Kitten of Evil1 votesI'm inclined to say no. Charge systems on attack are very frustrating, and Silver Bolts are her main source of damage. I main 
, whose charge system is often frustrating (meeps recurring at a bad time can steal a kill, and using them all on dragon or baron can make your attacks useless for the next fight)... this new mechanism is even more complicated than that, and on an auto-attacking champion to boot.
Vayne needs some toning down, sure, but this isn't the way.
I'm also confused how it procs. Is it now a 1-attack proc? Because otherwise what point could there possibly be to use it only once on auto-attacking a target?
ninjaIRL 1 votesthe 1/1/2/2/3 states it. So for rank 1 and 2 you just need to auto attack the targe to be able to use a silver bolt. You have to autoattack once against to be able to use another right after etc. at rank 3 and 4 you need to autoattack twice to be able to use a silver bolt. You have to autoattack twice per silver bolt activation. You don't need to use silver bolts after it has been opened to you though.
Kitten of Evil1 votesSo it would actually get worse as she levels it up? Requiring more attacks first, and having a longer cooldown per charge?
ninjaIRL 1 votesYeah. At the moment she needs 3 autoattack anyway so I don't see how that part of it is a problem. It's a buff if anything. A buff for having limited amounts of it.
Kitten of Evil3 votesRight, but it would be the only skill that becomes worse as it levels up. No other skill gains cooldown or loses utility as you level it. Why would Vayne want to level it up? I would keep it at level 1 or 2 and not allocate any points after level 13. And that's a really weird incentive.
Narasimha1 votesSo long as you buff it's damage considerably then. You can't give her that kind of nerf without serious compensation. And no one wants that.
ZylotheWolfbane1 votesI'd think that a better way to do it would be to either:
A. Cap the amount of procs on a target. So you can only get the three hit proc a certain amount of times per target, making it more difficult to deal with single extremely durable targets that are right on top of her. Similar to Nautilus' passive.
B. Make it similar to the old Ashe frost arrows, where it's an active that you turn on and it drains mana to put stacks on. This would make it so Vayne has to make more meaningful decisions between stacking up Silver Bolts, or spamming Tumble, she wouldn't be able to do both as consistently, and would make a low mana Vayne more vulnerable, which is when mana-using champs SHOULD be vulnerable.
