Instead of removing Maw's %AS, replace it with flat AS

Photos of Ghosts··3 votes·524 views

Make it add a flat, dunno, 0.3 to you attack speed's value, so it's more worth for those who can't get as much AS from %AS items (tanks, bruisers, assassins). The MR nerf is fine.

Also possibly cap the number of times per second you can proc its lifesteal? So again it stop AS-focused champs.

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SouL1ess2 votes

What?

All AS bonus is based on your Base Attack Time, otherwise known as Base Attack Speed.

A "flat" attack speed bonus is equivalent to a percentile bonus attack speed, just at different values. For example, for most champions, adding 0.3 to their Attack Speed stat equates to gaining 50% bonus attack speed.

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No, because a flat attack speed buff doesn't scale with one's attack speed, so it's less good on marksmen who have a high AS Obv it'd need to be a value that is a step backwards instead of forward for ADCs.

I don't think you understand how any source of bonus attack speed work.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

I understood perfectly and I said exaclty what you said. I just gave a bit too high of an estimation with my 0.3 if it equals 50% on average. But I'm pretty sure this isn't the case, IIRC even someone like Cho reaches 1.0 AS lategane, which means 0.3 would be equal to 30%

SouL1ess1 votes

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I understood perfectly and I said exaclty what you said. I just gave a bit too high of an estimation with my 0.3 if it equals 50% on average. But I'm pretty sure this isn't the case, IIRC even someone like Cho reaches 1.0 AS lategane, which means 0.3 would be equal to 30%

No, your post shows you exactly didn't understand.

Everyone has a base AS of around 0.625. All bonus AS is calculated based on a percentage of that.

For example, Phantom Dancer gives 55% additional AS. That means the item itself gives 0.625*0.55 bonus attack speed to the holder, which is about 0.4 attacks per second.

The attack speed growth per rank is also calculated in the same manner. Kog'maw gains 3% of his base AS as bonus AS per level, so assuming he has a base AS of 0.625, he gets 0.625*0.03 per level of his champion. Cho'gath has an AS of 1.0 attacks per second, but his base AS remains the same throughout his game. Base Attack Time of a champion never changes.

Now, if an item gives 0.3 attacks per second on a champion with 0.625 base attack speed, it amounts to about ~46% additional attack speed if he were to purchase items that gave additional attack speed, such as Stattik Shiv. The amount of attack speed given by (0.3 attacks per second) is in fact, higher than the current 25% additional attack speed when Lifeline activates in almost all cases, unless the champion had higher than 1.2 attacks per second as a Base Attack Time (who unfortunately does not exist).

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

Again: I said exaclty that, I just gave too high of an estimation. Think again but with 0.1 instead.

Variks the Loyal1 votes

I don't think it needs AS.

If Maw is gonna be for Fighters, Juggernauts, and Assassins, than the AS is pretty much useless/cheesy.

A different stat would be better, if compensation is needed. Maybe give it an additional 5-10 ArP or bonus AD during Lifegrip. But I don't think it's needed.

Rockm Sockm1 votes

Mr has the worst options in game of all items. Remove the attack speed and keep the Mr.

Making it flat attack speed is a buff to the main offenders of this item.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

No, because a flat attack speed buff doesn't scale with one's attack speed, so it's less good on marksmen who have a high AS Obv it'd need to be a value that is a step backwards instead of forward for ADCs.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Shield and Magic Reisstence should be a % of your actual MR so that you can't just build it and go stomp AP carries.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

This too. Or at least one of the two.

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