Its gonna be season 8 and we honestly need a better match making system.

Darth Sidiouss··4 votes·774 views

For those who dont know the system compensates the more you win, but the more you lose, it still compensates like if your winning here a prime example of whats been happening to me lately.

I can carry or semi-carry 1 - 3 matches then maybe win one or even two after on whim like i didn't perform that well but won anyways. So i get around 70 - 80LP right?

then the compensation enters, someone almost a tier lower than me or someone on a huge losing streak, this could be 1 - 2 players on my team. What happens? we lose. Okay next match right? lets prove our worth again and show the matchmaking system some performance thru consistency.. whelp you got an AFK now !

Then the system wonders hmm this player lost 2 matches ina row.. lets throw in some MORE COMPENSATION !

now the next match is even MORE likely in enemy favor, so if you lose that match if the system already has not done it, it will give you a teammate on the winning streak so you become the compensation in this match "that player" would deserve to keep going if he can win with you

(You would be the one currently on a lose streak. AKA the compensation itself for that player.)

But its also more than likely the other team has a similar scenario. So you absorb all this and think maybe "well that's fair !"

It is fair, its more than fair since you would be given one teammate off the back that you can depend on sorta, pretty encouraging. But if you lose THIS match then the system is reassured that you dont belong in the tier your in, so its a chance to take a step forward but you can easily take back 2 steps. This all occurs by the accumulation of lost matches. So the reality check here is this match WOULD of been an honest match to lose but since the accumulation of lost matches, it makes this match that much more punishing to the player if they lose.

From this entire thread so far, even from me personally telling you what matches i won and lost, even you couldn't judge if i belonged in gold 5 or not BASED JUST on the information i just gave you, i told you i won some but I also lost some on circumstances that have nothing to do with the way i personally played in those matches. So what happens now? i am right back where i started, and this whole thing loops over and over i know im not the only one either. This system isn't smart enough to tell performance, therefore it will never be accurate.

If players were helped by having they're performances averaged out they're MMR & LP AFTER the win/lose or subtractions/additions. Players would have no excuse period they're performance would matter to a small degree. This would even cut out toxicity a bit believe it or not for everyone would be responsible for themselves. First of all it needs to take into consideration when an AFK occurs, not consideration to pardon a lost match entirely just to acknowledge that it HAPPENED period. It needs to acknowledge when you feed your ass off too. Here consistency has much more value to showcase:

  • Perfect KDA / Barely died / Died here and there / Died quite a lot / Food for enemy
  • Team participation interactions, what exactly did you do with your team? did you contribute? was your performance up-to-par with your allies?

^^ Here is where consistency can actually prove your skill. If the system was able to recognize those instances as data to average out the players MMR over a series of 10 matches for example, it would be far much more accurate in keep players in they're appropriate bracket.

Players are ALREADY over-concerned with KDA, they're personal KDA, its where all the pride comes from, you already have "pentakills" and such to entice the player to be GREAT, to add swag to they're performances. Averaging out does not mean your put completely off where your wins and loses put you at, it simply just averages out everything, it takes EVERYTHING into consideration. With everything acknowledged the player should feel better rewarded, and more fairly punished. Every player is still in they're own league this does not change the way the player plays, rather gives players a small safety net in mind to fall too, in order to feel a bit better about the outcomes of matches.

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DemonBoneJangles2 votes

I would honestly look at performance based matchmaking because think about it, your being matched with people in the same elo? but not always the same skill level, now I don't play ranked a lot but even in normals (where apparently rank matters more than skill and winning the damn match) I can be placed against anything from gold to diamond even though I'm silver, does that mean my elo isn't silver but instead between gold or platinum? doubtful because as the OP pointed out the game is compensating for how good or bad I do in a match, (if I use lol sumo I routinely play at platinum or above when I win and gold or lower when I lose) but this doesn't mean my personal skills are whats making me win or lose because after all there are 9 other human beings in the game, if we were all the same skill level (roughly 1 rank up or down or 10-15 mmr up or down) then we would have near 50% winrates which riot said is balanced with some performing higher or lower than that. so to say that the system is fair is very wrong when most people win only about 30% of their games while others win 70% or more just because they are matched against people of a vastly lower skill level

Algido1 votes

I'm sure this is a reason for pre-season. I can confidently say that Riot, as a business, is not using what they feel is not optimal for the current conditions unless they have yet to implement something better while they continue to evaluate the game's state to be sure that whatever change they may have in mind to implement is the right thing to do.

Darth Sidiouss1 votes

pre-season or regular season its the same system used, nothing changes only that the MMR has a reset of some sorts when the new season starts

Algido1 votes

How are you sure there won't be any changes even if they don't announce it? They are certainly tight lipped when it comes to MMR and different sites that estimate one's MMR can and often do vary by a lot. Even if it remains the same I'm pretty sure you are a better player than you were at the start of the season, I don't think I need to explain that. I know I am. Starting fresh should really help things out. I may be mistaken as my memory isn't the best but from what I can recall, complaints about the system became more and more frequent the deeper into the season. Also ya gotta remember that everyone's matches are made by the same system so it's not like you are at a disadvantage... Though it can often feel that way >>

Just tryin' to be positive. Peace

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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Darth Sidiouss1 votes

OH yes it compensates. If you go into ranked right now and win a few matches, the system will work against you, this is NOT a theory it is proven it compensates because that's its only way of proving that you belong in a higher league, division etc. It does this by giving you someone on a losing streak or someone on a winning streak that's ranked a lot lower than you. It takes bets based on that to determine anything, thats why its complete bullshit. Its not even smart enough to know your actual skill the only known data it takes is wins ina row or loses ina row, nothing else matters to it.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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Darth Sidiouss1 votes

Ive played thousands of matches, whenever i win 3 matches in a row, the teammate i get will often state he/she is currently in a losing streak. Wither or not there tilted (most of them are pretty tilted.)

Whenever i lost 4 or so matches ina row, i would very often be given a teammate whose currently on a winning streak, not 3 matches sometimes its like 5 or 6 matches straight they won.

Riot interestingly enough does not talk much on it, if they weren't ashamed they would openly give all the details but they refrain from doing so only because it would just take that one guy from reddit or something to rip them on the subject and basically have Riot games whipped thru the streets like Cersei lannister.. SHAME

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