I'm not saying Ardent Censer isn't in need of a gutting but lets not forget this item was essentially the same as it was during the "lol adc 2017" memefest.
I think the problem is a bit more than just Ardent Censer.
The "adc in 2017" memefest went on for months longer than it should have, adcs weren't really weak at all by the time ardent was changed.
It's a combination.
In conjunction with Ardent Redemption, which was already good, ADs got all their items reduced in price + a really nice buff to Warlord's, tanks got a good meta shift in their favor, and tank-support items are better than regular tank items, especially Stoneplate + Locket.
Oh yeah and Coin got a massive buff.
It's a scapegoat.
We can all agree ADC itemisation is the biggest issue. Far too much damage, far too much safety.
Lulu and Janna have always been bell weather champions whose win rates fluctuated depending on the strength of ADCs, need only look at the win rate curve from "ADC 2k17 lul" patch to now. They're not OP, they're the same as they were. They are champions that warn when ADCs are way too strong/weak.
reduce base AD of adc's by a big amount, make them gain more AD per level, make their abilities deal way less damage early on and more at max level, maybe even make them scale with level.
this seems like a big nerf to ADC early game, and that's because it is and that's what they need, who thought ADC's having a good early, mid and late game was a good idea? don't see any other classes being amazing at all stages of the game
Yes.
The other problem is how good and cheap the IE + 2 Zeal Upgrade powerspike. At 8.6k gold, it is the cheapest 3-item spike of all the offensive classes.
Raise Zeal Upgrades to 2900, IE and Essence Reaver back to 3500, and then reassess.
ADC mains are the most delusional people ever
It makes me sad because items like Censer make me feel a lot more impactful as a support with those small heals/shields that look for a way to make those abilities more useful.
It's a number of factors but it did all start with ADCS in 2017 LOL.
It wasn't even that they were weak but assassins and junglers were overtuned and knew all the gold value was located bot side. So everyone just camped the lane, killing bot lane over and over and leading everyone to mistake ADCs as weak. So they buff support items; then they make tanks more supportive and buff ad items. This lead to the current state of ADCs are our overlords. Sucks but that is what happens when you hit the wrong shit.
They're both broken lul.
Biggest marksmen problems health wise are currently 
.
Their benefits are too huge and consistent with little to no drawbacks.
You basically don't ever build ruunan or phantom dancer on any marksman anymore because of how dominant those 2 crit items are-
And DD beats BT nearly any day in the week, and with the added survival ability provided with some supports its nearly ridiculously hard to die even when you think you are supposed to x)
during the "adc in 2k17" meme time the most played supports were 
who did't buy a single "protect" item and who could win 1v1 against any ADC in lane, the ADC didn't get as many shields and heals like they get now with supps like 
, a dead ADC deals no damage and back then they were dead all the time, now that they survive pretty much anything with these supps they can deal their full damage potential
Out of all of the Lulus... you are the littlest.
It's not Arden
Arden wouldn't be a problem if there weren't other issues
They just synergies too well that ADC can not survive early game to scale into the mid game WHICH is not an area where they spike. They used to spike at 4 items. Now it's generally 2 (with boots). Some adcs actually spike better than AP changes despite having a worse early, mid, and late game....LOL
So Arden is just one of many problems.
Can we stop this assassin's were op with lethality, the only real assassins were ad assassins and it was just kha mainly, rengar because he was op and thats it. The main op champs were Graves, MF, Jihn, Varus, Riven, and almost all other ad casters except most ad assassins. Hell the biggest abusers were mostly non assassins. Adc's were never weak because they literally always had one adc's that was one top, twitch has been 52+ winrate this whole season, he's been destorying the whole season, also ofc adc's were not dying lulu was op and the shield meta literally should up right after the assassin update because they buffed supports. There was no adc2k17, adc's were just out of position and said adc2k17.
It's not ardent cnesore alone. It's ardent censor + knights vow + locket+ whatever else both supports and tanks are building to help the adc. Cause how fun is it attack an adc who is taking 8%(I think) less damage from knights vow then getting a shield from 2 different lockets then redemption which also buffs shields and + the defensive stats they get from their items. Like wtf you can't buff two areas that are supposed to help a single class in survivability without making every other classes feel useless and make adcs op to the point where they basically a walking tank.
Back then Redemption and Locket were the items it was competing with It only truly rose into popularity after locket redemption was nerfed
ADC mains don't want their right-click spam to end, so they blame everyone but themselves. I guess next arguement is nerf 
It's because at any given time, as an example, 
has 
with with 
. Usually you have another Tank such as 
on top of that in addition to a zone control Mage such as 
.
At this point it's near-impossible to get on and stick to the Tristana in a 5v5 scenario.
Imagine you have two similar teams like this and it's no wonder why teamfights in competitive last so long right now.
Or maybe there isn't a problem at all. Stop looking.
And yes Ardent Censer didn't recieve any number changes since January until patch 7.17.
Maybe you need to respect that supports are also champions and that you are actually trying to 1v2.
You're right, gutt shielding supports aswell ;)
