Spellbinder is going to be like DFG rush all over again

Eedat·Feb 22, 2018·9 votes·6,537 views

Step 1: buy Spellbinder

Step 2: one shot any enemy champ in a single combo

That thing needs to scale with level. It gives a flat 100 AP then another flat 100 from the active. That's even 40 more AP than flat out rushing a Dcap and 1000g less. Buying it first item then immediately having access to doubling your AP is not healthy. Even tanks are going to get one shot by it. It's actually going to be worse than DFG rush tbh. DFG was removed for a reason.

Spellbinder BUILD PATH Aether Wisp + Needlessly Large Rod + 700 gold TOTAL COST 2800 gold ABILITY POWER 100 MOVEMENT SPEED 10% UNIQUE PASSIVE Nearby allied and enemy spellcasts charge Spellbinder up to a cap (100 maximum) UNIQUE ACTIVE Gain a maximum of 30% decaying movement speed and 100 ability power for 4 seconds, based on charges spent (60 second cooldown)

27 Comments

MizunoFeb 22, 201810 votes

The active does not give 100 ap instantly btw, you need to stack the item first. You basically get 1 ap/spell used around you so I don't think it's too op. But if the item proves to be too good, they could always increase the price like someone suggested.

flibitydooFeb 22, 20188 votes

I'm excited to see this new item dumpster Yasuo Zed Katarina Akali Vladimir for spamming their manaless trash all over the lane

Anu3isIIFeb 22, 20181 votes

Katarina Akali can use it as well. Imagine them chasing you with Gunblade and Spellbinder... good luck surviving.

flibitydooFeb 22, 20183 votes

imagine Karthus builds this item and then you get hit by a 10 minute 200 ap requiem. good luck surviving

edit:upon further thought I realise item 2419 was changed to arm itself at exactly the 10 minute mark so actually I kind of rescind my comment

What Is SmiteFeb 22, 20181 votes

Morde ulting you at full stacks along with item 3116 item 3151 item 3165 , people are definitely not surviving that ult

TegashFeb 22, 20183 votes

Honestly with the changes to item 3003 Archangel's and the new addition of Spellbinder, Karthus Karthy's gonna come back in a big way.

3TWarriorFeb 22, 20181 votes

if the semantics are right, only the movement speed is affected by the charges, other than that...

there are multiple champions that would have problems overnight with an item like this. Any champion that can spam spells (as remember, the player themselves is likely considered an "ally") will have a surge in win rate

and then burst mages are going to absolutely love this. For instance, for anivia, it is a free 50 to 100 extra damage on her E alone

the post is quite correct that for early game and mid game, this is going to be a repeat of deathfire grasp's execute combo

Diamond2KappaFeb 22, 20183 votes

If you can use the garbage active well* hehe

HäxelFeb 22, 20182 votes

More like a seventh item for selling boots. Going that item seems to risky and stacking takes long.

Lord of MathFeb 22, 20181 votes

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More like a seventh item for selling boots. Going that item seems to risky and stacking takes long.

You know, Ryze Cassiopeia Riven Katarina Evelynn are all going to make stacking the item quick. If they are your enemy or you. Also think about the intended target audience of the item. Remember back a while back there was an item called Talisman of Ascension item 3306 .

What Is SmiteFeb 22, 20181 votes

If anything Spellbinder may have an internal CD similar to item 3070 , but it's not listed

Lord of MathFeb 22, 20181 votes

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If anything Spellbinder may have an internal CD similar to , but it's not listed

On the PBE when I was online it had no such timer.

What Is SmiteFeb 22, 20181 votes

eh you never know, if they are just copy/pasta their code from PBE onto Live then that could explain bugs if there are any once it does goes live

NineTailedMysticFeb 22, 20181 votes

It doesn't say anything about the user's spell casts.

Lord of MathFeb 22, 20182 votes

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It doesn't say anything about the user's spell casts.

Again, I tried it on the PBE.

HäxelFeb 22, 20181 votes

Spellbinder is definetly not the same intended target Audience as Talisman of Ascension. It is like op said the sucesor of Dfg, which got first replaced by Ludens Echo, but now Ludens Echo is a Mana Pokeitem that no longer gives Movementspeed and is less attractive on Assassins. Remember before Talisman of Ascension there was an item called Shurelya's Reverie? Well, this will probably come patch 8.6 again to replace the gone Talisman. Spellbinder, like old Ludens, is an itemt hat Karthus for exampel would realy use to sell his botos in lategame and amplyfy the damage more. It even gives like Ludens passive movementspeed but it also gives active Movementspeed and the active would be more useful on his Ult as Ludens cause the damage from the additional ap would go to all 5 targets all the time, ludes just if they stay near each other (and not even all 5). Other items are just so much better to get with penetrationeffects, mana, cdr, defense effects etc. Spellbinder is kinda like item 3041 realy feast or famine and realy just worth as 7th item.

Edard Da TardMar 3, 20181 votes

this dude included riven

Agent CorgiFeb 22, 20182 votes

It'll take a while for you to get 100 Stacks, so I'm not sure rushing Spellbinder would be wise. The item's Active Scales with how many stacks you have upon activation, it won't just simply give you that Juicy 30% Movespeed & 100 AP at the drop of a item 3089 . If you ask me, I'd probably get Spellbinder any time after my 2nd or 3rd item, unless the champion I'm playing can REALLY make use of that active. I can even see maybe Brand Support getting this item since Everyone uses abilities down there quite often, so there's food for thought. Also while I agree with you on DFG being unhealthy (I still miss this item regardless), I don't think anything will top that item.

AmazoXFeb 22, 20181 votes

2800 G is cheap for an item of that power, 3000 G would be better.

CrazFight Feb 22, 20181 votes

The unique active is actually insane imo. Rush this item, and get instant 100AP and 30% movement speed? what was riot thinking.

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 22, 20181 votes

Nerfs Zoe for good.

Introduces Spellbinder

Conclusion: Zoe balance changes UNCHANGED

TegashFeb 22, 20181 votes

To be fair Zoe can't really spam her abilities outside of her ult so it would probably take her 3-5 minutes of stacking in solo lane. Teamfight casting would probably take about 60 seconds.

Chembaron YamadaFeb 22, 20181 votes

How does it interact with Singed poison? Does every tick count as a spell cast? :^)

Done25Feb 22, 20181 votes

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How does it interact with Singed poison? Does every tick count as a spell cast? :^)

Maybe, but it might not count for toggles.

Colton147Feb 22, 20181 votes

item 3147

LankPantsFeb 22, 20181 votes

How do you plan to have the mana to spam enough spells to stack Spellbinder if you straight up rush it? How do you plan to spam those spells efficiently without CDR? Is your plan to rely 100% on the enemy?

Spellbinder looks to be a very good 2nd or 3rd item, as a 1st item it has too many flaws and doesn't do what a mage actually needs from a rushed item.

TerchioFeb 23, 20181 votes

lol, you basically need to cast 2 spells a second, or have a spammy enemy, to make this work even okay. And nobody spams that well. I charged for like a few minutes, and still only got like halfway. It needs more power, actually, but mostly through reliability. I want a 10% movement item to have a reliable in--and-out of the fray type game, and they spring the most wonky active I've ever seen on an item.

And please don't call this DFG. Luden's actually dealt additional base damage without needing multiple spells. Even if this is fully charged, you will be spending everything you have for the next 5 minutes in doing so.

I mean really, how do you ideally use this? You need spammable skills that don't drain your mana pool, you need full boots to take advantage of the movement, and then you need either heavy resilience to withstand a lane full of harass that will still barely charge your active, or you need the most passive lane ever. It's bad, even though it's a decent god-mode, it's just bad because of the effective cooldown on it. It's more gimmicky than Mejai's ever was.