This new system REALLY isnt friendly to older players.....

Eedat··495 votes·12,730 views

So its not secret. You gain far less BE (IP) with the new system. This number goes drastically down the further you level. All the calculations they gave us were when you're level 30. I'm sure they avoided the math for when we were level 70 or 80 on purpose.

Now, everyone right now is complaining that everyone is getting screwed. Thats not exactly the case. If you consider that you no longer have to buy runes, the new system is very appealing. I know I spent 106k IP on runes. When you factor that the cost of those runes are gone, you end up with a net gain. At least for a pretty long time. It also depends on how much you were really going to invest into runes eventually as well.

But thats precisely why the older players are getting screwed. We already owned all the runes we wanted. We already had full access to the system. We already put that time in. Riot keeps trying to push it onto us that we are "rewarded" with this new rune system. However, what Riot absolutely refuses to acknowledge is that this system is NOT a "reward" to players who already had all the runes they wanted. You're taking away the old system that we had full access to and replacing it with a new one that we have full access to and expecting us to accept that as some sort of compensation. We didnt gain anything. As a matter of fact, we LOST a shit ton with these rather insulting 30% refunds. Well gee, at least new players get 100% refunds. Thanks Riot. If it wasnt for us there wouldnt be these newer players, but no worries all good right? I'm sorry but giving us the same access to the new runes as a level 1 account is not a reward. Getting screwed out of 50k, 60k, 70k, or more IP to have the same access to runes as a level 1 account that lost nothing is NOT a reward. We didnt have to pay 70k IP when masteries were redone in the past. I genuinely dont understand how Riot doesn't get this besides being willingly ignorant.

This new system offers nothing to us other than drastically reduced BE income. "BUT URFWICK!" Wow thanks for the opportunity to spend one-hundred fifty THOUSAND BE on a 975 RP Skin that I dont even like on a champ that I never play. You might catch some of the people with "OMG but its rare!", but you're not catching me. The price tags are absolutely fucking insane. 150k BE is so far out of line that I cant even comprehend you thinking it was ok. That is legit the price of like 40+ champs. You didnt even have the decency to make a few cool new badass skins. We dont even get choices. Ffs give us some options. Give us something unique and cool. Give us something that you made just for us. Something. But what did we get? You legit recycled a 975RP skin that was already made so it cost you absolutely nothing besides enabling it on the store and setting the price. You might fool them, but you're not fooling me. Momma didn't raise no fool.

Then you have those emotes. I actually was somewhat offended by those. 75k BE for a .png that pops up on screen to let everyone know you were dumb enough to spend hundreds of hours worth of currency on something that took one person an hour or two to make. 75,000 BE

"EEDAT YOU'RE JUST BEING CHEAP AND WANT MORE STUFF FOR FREE!!!"

https://imgur.com/a/L1nxt

EDIT: for those wondering how to check how much you've spent: http://privacy.riotgames.com

I have spent $1250 USD on this game. I really dont give a damn if you think I'm being cheap or not.

Riot. If you want the opinion of someone who has supported you throughout the years, there you have it. This new system offers next to nothing to us older players. Its pretty blatant that this system is 100% catered toward newer players while you're just hoping us older ones stick around. These 3 free skins feel about equivalent to a Casino giving people free drinks. Thats how I feel. Take it as you will.

#EDIT:

Just to clarify I dont think "Riot hates me" or that making it easier for newer players to get into the game is bad. I'm completely fine with new players having 100% access to runes. Its just the compensation we got for putting in the time is extremely lackluster and lacks any options. I dont even want a Riot response because even that would be twisted into something they never said.

You know the only thing I actually really wanted from all the stuff? ^This Wukong summoner icon and I had to pay 17500 BE for it because its locked behind a 'RNG summoner icon' wall at 2500 IP a pop. Obviously a blatant BE money sink. You couldnt even let us pick the summoner icons? I'm not even mad. Just...... disappointed. The ONE THING I asked is that we actually got to pick our rewards and not give us some RNG prize packs. This system is horrendous because you'll get players who actually get something they want and say "hey great!" while others who get jack get angry. Then everyone turns against each other.

220 Comments

quasistellar33 votes

the conversion rate is worse than insulting. It's one step shy of a literal slap in the face.

cha0skarmma67 votes

And yet... No Rioters have replied...

Mordepool21 votes

They would invite a witch hunt. On something I'm sure no individual Rioter can change

Big Black Croc20 votes

Oh haha, riot won't reply on a legitimate thread with great facts and actual issues because "muh feelings will get hurt from people insulting me". Riot needs to grow the fuck up and reply to these threads so we can get some god damn answers.

LightIsMyPath13 votes

actually they replied to a very similar thread made on the announcement occasion. The summarize of the reply was "sorry but we would loose too much money". Worded way better then this of course but this was the meaning. The rioter also offered everyone who replied to him to help them find something we could consider acceptable and enjoy but didn't drain the company gain.

rtbf2256182415 votes

As far as i recall, there were suggestions but nothing's changed.

Krikk45 votes

Since when did riot care about older players? Their only concern are pros and newcomers. [sg-miss-fortune]

Big Black Croc16 votes

Hell yes. Riot won't give a shit if 1k+ people leave the game, but as soon as a Lcs player quites(faker for example) they'll be busting there asses to fix things.

Big Black Croc9 votes

At this point, riots logo(fist) should change to a middle finger to represent how much riot cares about the community.

ChargeItDownMid20 votes

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Very Hard Engage29 votes

#for a champion that you play or will ever play in the future

meanwhile i've been blessed with 2 malphite skins, an aatrox skin, and an ugly galio skin. the only good skin i've gotten was infernal nasus, whom i dont play.

free =/= usable

yes the chance is there, but it may as well be non existent (effectively)

ChargeItDownMid12 votes

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Darkdemon65316 votes

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Compared to 2 years ago when we got zero skins for free, this is a strict improvement.

Only if skins is someone's most important thing

ChargeItDownMid6 votes

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Darkdemon6537 votes

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Which is for players who already own all of the champions (and runes under the old system).

Remember, there were a ton of veterans who were just stockpiling extra ip because we literally had nothing else to do with it. We would much rather get something besides a growing ip pile which we couldn't use.

Those players are a very small minority.

I'm very happy that you are benefiting from the system. Your existence, however, is not a reason to fuck over other people. We should have a system where neither you nor not-you gets fucked over.

Falcon Of Death20 votes

Playing since S1 here I got 80k blue essence back so I got the privilege to spend 50k on a single gemstone I opened a chest 750rp blood moon shen That's the only thing I "gained" in this new system. I also made a post on this scummy and ignorant shit from Riot

SeaChange16 votes

Yeah, as a PBE player, I had a feeling it'd be like this. On the PBE, there was a glitch that gave us a bunch of extra capsules, and it took disenchanting the contents of at least three of them to afford a 6300 champ. I'm actually pretty new to league, but got to level 30 relatively fast, leaving me after the update with a tiny pool of champions and no hope of getting many more. League should be about mastering the game's champions, not grinding levels just to have the chance to play them.

Håppy9 votes

Yeah, twice now they've lowered the experience needed to reach level 30. So by the time you get access to Ranked, you.. have the gameplay experience of a level 15.

Lohrr3 votes

Yeah, this was a concern of mine too. Making it easier to 30 makes it easier to do things without ability / knowledge. It also urks me when people try to power level, 'cause that means they get to the situation even faster. The limit is there for a reason, ya know?

Lit Corn13 votes

"Riot. If you want the opinion of someone who has supported you throughout the years, there you have it. This new system offers next to nothing to us older players. Its pretty blatant that this system is 100% catered toward newer players while you're just hoping us older ones stick around. These 3 free skins feel about equivalent to a Casino giving people free drinks. Thats how I feel. Take it as you will."

i entirely agree , even their artistic directions are going for some more eye popping , cartoon stlye things , ( look at zoe , emotes , new project map ) I dont hate it , but its not league . i mean they want some new players but seriously when you're already the biggest game in the world you just will make 90 % of the vet angry and want to stop , i myself play since around 6 years and a bit more if we count my first games on my big brother account , and i really dont like what riot does tho , new runes are totally unbalanced , i just dont like it , every elo meta looks like bronze its really frustrating to play , lot of champs will be busted and other entirely useless , but even more than before , also riot changed everything into a really snowbally game but it was a late game focused meta so it was ok , but this year ? like seriously i played 5 game in a row , all 5 20 min or less ... this game is just becoming really frustrating tbh

Semaj3xt4h11 votes

I don't like the new system but mainly because the lack of indepth customization makes me feel gimp... Say what you want about there only being one build etc etc, I play aram only and not having some health regen runes feels wrong to me, on the tanks i mean... There were so many useful ways to play champs, i could go crit damage/lifesteal/lethality just on the adcs... I could go spell vamp or magic pen on apcs, that's just a brief taste but this new system is extremely limiting and all of the aram games ive played since then seem reallllly dull.... probably gonna uninstall and i'll know I won't be missed. </3

Penns9 votes

Well if youre an older player that had all runes and all champs and maybe a ton of IP what exactly do you need? You got to use runes for years anyway and (I for example) still got like 38k BE back from them.

Sure Urfwick is useless to me and almost no one should be the emotes, but I dont see how its a bad change tbh.

Siyther28 votes

you know what we need? Ill be blunt, a reason to keep playing this. Period. They fuck us giving us "craptastic rewards" for doing so and their promise of something to spend all this Blue essance on, is a shop with nothing in it worth a fuck. Id honestly be ok with if we could spend our essence on skins or something worthwhile. Since we own all the champs what the fuck is there to do. Unless u just want to grind out bronze there is literaly no reason to play anymore. We are not getting fairly rewarded for doing so. If you are a new player im sure it be a great experiance but as someone who has played since season 4 spent ip and rp to buy all champs and runes i feel duped. I feel like riot doesnt care what the player base is saying, i feel like quitting. I feel bad cause ive put so much time in.

Penns9 votes

Its a free to play game.. did you just play to get IP and buy stuff?

Hella Kaiser11 votes

if someone (aka the majority of veterans players) don't feel rewarded for winning or even playing the game, they will stop playing. a game is a failure when it feels like you're wasting your time. and LoL reached that bottom line.

it just feels bad even playing the game.

Penns11 votes

Well normally, the "reward" for playing a game is the fun you have WHILE playing the game.

I agree that you should probably have cooler stuff to buy with a lot of BE, but I dont agree that older players get screwed by the change because.. what exactly would you want? 100% refund for runes when you already have all champs, which is the main thing you buy with BE?

JoeMG5 votes

Legitimate question: Im really surious for players, like OP, that had everything unlocked and maxed out, what kept you playing before this?

Personally, I'm still trying to unlock a lot of champs, but aside from climbing ranked if you have nothing to unlock, why keep playing?

Not saying you didn't get really screwed over, just on a seperate note.

A Lonely Stoner5 votes

I've been playing LOL since mid season 2, what's been keeping me playing is the vast majority of my friends that play; along with climbing ranked. Also the shear fact of how much money and TIME I've invested in the game. Plus it's a fun game to play and kill free time.

Spicy Rice15 votes

Mainly friends, and an unquenchable need to be superior to random people on the internet

Placentas8 votes

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and an unquenchable need to be superior to random people on the internet

Yess bb, preach! <3

Siyther4 votes

to tell u the truth i play a quater as much as i did when i had something worth grinding to. I had reaaly hoped riot would do something to give us something to shoot for buy etc. Used to play 10 games per day b4 end of season maybe 3. Now i just been playing to check shit out but its looking might grim .

EternalSaiyan9 votes

Pretty sure they just did it so that when we get around level 60+ it will take so long to get more rune pages or new champs we will be forced to buy them. Thats the whole reason they renamed the masteries to runes to force players only having 2 pages to invest real money.

JusticePauldrons9 votes

Not to mention they removed the ability to reroll champion shards. Really? So now the rewards I get for being max level are shards for shit I can't use, so my only choice is to disenchant it into essence. This patch sucks ass, and it pisses me off riot would even think we would find all this bullshit is okay.

I really like opening chests before because it seemed that no matter what the result was, I would be making progress. Even if I didn't get something I wanted I could re roll it into something that could help me progress.

xKumei8 votes

What I hate about the BE shop is that instead of creating things worth the price of being a BE sink, they just turned up the prices of cheap things.

oRaino8 votes

Never login to community ever, but this time I log in only to up vote. summoner 4 Sounds bad, we old player are getting stomped.

xKumei7 votes

For wanting to show that they care about their veterans, they sure do a lot of things to piss off veterans.

MonkeyMadness6 votes

These 3 free skins

Damn, I only got 1...Apparently spending RP on the BOGO rune pages only counted as 1 rune page....

Wait a fucking second...that means I received literally no form of refund for like 4 of my rune pages. What the fucking fuck riot?? And what about people who bought the bundle? Did they only get 1 skin too?

Also, with regard to Urfwick: RIOT FUCKING CHANGED THE SKIN. THEY REMOVED THE CROWN. MOTHERFUCKERS!!! IT'S PRACTICALLY WORTHLESS NOW. Also, Mad Max WW (aka Hyena) is totes better anyways...

PaladinNO6 votes

Also, with regard to Urfwick: RIOT FUCKING CHANGED THE SKIN. THEY REMOVED THE CROWN. MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msSsmVW6iuk

A Lonely Stoner5 votes

I 100% agree with you have spent around 1600$ on league and feel ripped off! My friends who didn't even have all the runes still for 100k BE while I had every single rune that I could possibly buy with ip including t2 runes because I didn't have anything to spend my ip on. It pissed me off once I found out all my friends who I have been playing got the same amount of ip as me and didn't have all the content I had. Oh boy though URF WW, only skin you could buy; but oh well chromas that no one wanted to buy are available plus emotes and ward skins. I wish they just paid the old players what their runes where worth when they bought them. It feels like a slap in the face from to go, just like hey get dicked for all the work you did and here is something and oh this URF WE skin you can buy for 150k BE and we are only giving you 100k back and everything is 50k+ for the alright content... thanks riot from someone who has been playing since season 2....

ModCaptainMårvelous5 votes

Yeah I feel you.

The emote, icon and everything else just feels meh. I got Urfwick but...yeah, 5+ years of League boiled down to a single free skin. Kinda sucks man.

ForeverLaxx4 votes

At least you could afford Urfwick. Season 1 player, over 4k dollars spent, and I walk away with literally nothing to show for it beyond one "veteran" emote I'll never use.

Yay?

Z3Sleeper5 votes

That's fine for the old old players. But the newer old players (people who were level 30 w/out all champs and only 2 filled rune pages) are getting royally screwed over.

No BE bonus came to us and we have to deal with the same reward gain as people who did get compensated.

I don't think it's compensation for not having to buy runes because I made Diamond just fine without having all the runes. This is just bs for us.

Slich Bissi3 votes

What website is that so I sicken myself with how much I've spent on this game?

PS: I also had an absolute massive fuckton of runes, including stupid off-color runes like Attack speed yellows, and blues. I had all of the energy regen runes BECAUSE FUN. I had almost every single rune in the entire game. Now I have...idk like 50,000 BE or whatever. Some compensation :/

Not to mention I paid for maxed out rune pages and mastery pages so I could use all of the hilarious gimmick runes I bought.

ProKsKill50er1 votes

I think it's your privacy data at the original lol website ;)

Slich Bissi4 votes

Thanks fam.

Well. I've spent just shy of 1600$...

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