Runic echo is just far worse than runeglaive right now, don't make changes please

Don't know why people are excited when its a huge nerf to the item, I guess the only thing they are looking at are the passive.

Runeglaive 1675 40 ap 250 mana 10% cdr

stats give 1520

modified version of lich bane passive

Runic Echo 1400 60 ap 10% movement speed

stats give 1700

modified version of luden's echo passive

Looks like runic echo is just better right? Not really.

Runeglaive gives well-rounded out stats, mana and cdr, without taking up an item slot. Combined with passive you do not need to buy any mana items.

With runic echo, you have to invest in tear because luden's passive offers less than half the mana regen as the current lich bane passive. In fact the overall regen is less even if you buy a tear.

Example, at level 6 karthus will have 738 + 250 = 988 mana. He can recover 8% missing mana every 2 seconds or so. The mana regen is so great that I almost never run out of mana.

With runic echo, it takes 10 q's to regen 18% of missing mana when your mana bar is already at 738. Basically 10 seconds to regen 18% missing mana which is 25% smaller without the 250 mana.

Note that it doesn't need to be karthus. Take fid for example. He can probably proc the missing mana passive in runeglaive every 4 seconds right now. However with runic echo it would take him like 20 seconds to proc runic echo.

The mana is extremely important on dragon and baron. You didn't need to worry about your mana when taking these objectives but now you do.

Also runeglaive passive is better for skirmishes involving 1/2 people, while runic echo is designed for wave clearing and more damage in team fights. Team fights simply don't happen early game, so runeglaive is actually much stronger early. Combine that with the fact that you must now invest an item slot for a mana item delays AP junglers powerspike way too much. This is why you can see people rush lichbane but not luden's echo. However, junglers must rush thier jungle item first.

Honestly I see no problem with runeglaive for ap junglers right now. It gives them unlimited mana and a bit of cdr, something that is now hard to get on AP. It helps them be stronger earlier.