Please PLEASE no more Melee only items, just halve the effects

Photos of Ghosts·Feb 12, 2016·2 votes·327 views

EDIT: I should probably point out that I'm absolutely ok with having Runaan's and Hydras be limited to range classes, they're constant effects and already made with a specific melee and ranged version. All the others are unique and should be offered to anyone, just in a reduced version if you have range. About this, what if we just reduced the amount of Sterak's shield for ranged champs instead of outright making it melee?

I like ranged champions. I like being tanky. If ONE ranged champion (read: Graves) is being a massive problem because it is doing more damage than the average ADC and being as tanky as the average bruiser, with a light fighter build, nerf HIM, not the items. And if you want to reduce the abuse cases, HALVE the effect for ranged champs, do not remove it like so many people are suggesting. I wish I could have Dead Man's passive.

29 Comments

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 14, 20163 votes

When lifesteals/kiting potential/ item 3026 /critical hits isn't enough....

Photos of GhostsFeb 14, 20161 votes

But you don't build crit and lifesteal if you build tanky....

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 14, 20163 votes

That's Sion DrMundo JarvanIV etc's job.

ADCs are meant to be squishy since their role deals the most damage, aside from Assassin champs. You wanted a Tanky Marksman? I introduce you Urgot .

Photos of GhostsFeb 14, 20161 votes

If I want to build heavy bruiser, I can. I am the one putting myself at disadvantage. You can build full pen Mundo or assassin J4/Sion if you wish.

Critmaster GarenFeb 14, 20163 votes

of course you like to be ranged and tanky. because its op.

melee characters get to be more tanky because they dont have the freedom of positioning ranged champs do. as a melee if you want to fight, you have to sit in those aoe abilities of the enemy´more often than not. youre taking errand skillshots and collateral damage that wasnt even aimed directly at you.

ranged ad can stay out of aoe abilities like anivias ult or kennens ult while attacking. heck, most of them can even attack galio from outside his ult range without getting caught in it.

ranged auto attacks are the best defense steroid in the game. hence why these champions can be effective on glass cannon builds.

Photos of GhostsFeb 14, 20161 votes

Hence why being ranged and tanky is a waste, not OP. If melees are overwhelming in 3 out of 5 roles on the map, it means that works. I'm putting myself at disadvantage by building tanky on someone who has lower base stats, for every stat except attack speed, that I don't invest into.

VasilisGreenFeb 12, 20162 votes

Wait, what?

Photos of GhostsFeb 13, 20161 votes

What is it you don't get? I like having range, and I like the kits of several ranged champs. But I wish to be able to play them tanky, without having to be afraid that Sterak is going to become melee only or something.

VasilisGreenFeb 13, 20162 votes

Some champions are not meant to be tanky

Photos of GhostsFeb 13, 20161 votes

I already get the downside of 30 mr, no scaling.

VasilisGreenFeb 13, 20162 votes

you have the advantage of range. With proper positioning and protection from your support you should be fine. There is always a reason for everything.

Photos of GhostsFeb 13, 20161 votes

Precisely. 30 MR and lower armor (and hp) is already there to compensate for the range. Add to that if needed the HALVING of some item effects. Not their outright removal. I can then build tanky on ranged and squishy on melee. If it's less effective, that's just my problem. I'll be the one losing. And if it's more effective but within reason (aka I noticeably give up kill and push potential, and mainly have an advantage due to the surprise effect) that's just good for me who found out.

Graves is a problem because you can build him like J4 and he'll do more damage, be tankier and have range.

Others haven't ever been. Ok, Quinn's rework made her OP overall, but now if you build her bruiser you have to constantly spend gold on red elixirs since Botrk is so much weaker and she now has synergy with Essence Reaver, which doesn't have lifesteal. Bruiser Quinn is a problem because she's toplane. Not because she's bruiser.

VasilisGreenFeb 13, 20161 votes

Top lane Quinn is by far the most cancerous pick anyone could have ever picked... Top lane is almost exclusively played with melee champions and any ranged champion up there would make the whole thing unfair. Don't play top lane Quinn. Don't be that kind of player.

Photos of GhostsFeb 14, 20161 votes

I only played her top since I first saw her kit back in November 2014. And if YOU choose to put your melees in the toplane, that doesn't force anyone else to do the same. After all, your tactic seems to be the most effective after all these years of being established, no? So why do you complain?

VasilisGreenFeb 14, 20161 votes

The old toplane Quinn wasn't that bad... The new Quinn is pure cancer... Also, melee bruiser/tank top lane matchups are the meta. Melee vs Ranged in lane is by default unfair, kiting ability taken for granted. If you can't kite you shouldn't play ranged champions at all...

Photos of GhostsFeb 14, 20161 votes

That's why the most hated champions are melee. Lots of bullshit to make up for their lack of range.

As I said, melee tops are the meta, which is deemed to be the most effective possible tactic. You're having an advantage. If you played just for the fun of the kit, you wouldn't limit yourself to picking melees top. You pick melees top to win the game.

VasilisGreenFeb 14, 20161 votes

Actualy you can pick Vayne top and snowball so hard off of your kiting ability alone and the inability of them getting on you that if you utilize your advantage properly the game will be over before 25 mins...

Photos of GhostsFeb 14, 20161 votes

Then why don't you do it? Why don't you abuse the specific exception that is Vayne? Vayne is hated in any role she is anyway, so it'd get her nerfed/reworked and everyone would be happier.

VasilisGreenFeb 14, 20161 votes

Because i don't play vayne, i don't like her and i don't play something i don't like. also, i am a mid main. Assassins for life!!!

CherysseFeb 13, 20161 votes

I don't know why this is getting downvoted, I also wish I could use item 3742 on Quinn and KogMaw

Stars ShaperFeb 14, 20161 votes

You ranged ADs got your whole item revaul which brought severa choices and improvements and now you are making the only item that gives some sense to play champions like Mordekaiser nerfed because you like to exploit his effect in order to not care of Assa burst instead of outplay it.

Now I'd rather see you unable to use any HP/Armor item ever instead of having my favorite champions' items nerfed because some1 that isn't supposed to use them is exploiting them.

Photos of GhostsFeb 14, 20161 votes

But I don't want to use "ranged AD" items. I want to play my ranged kits with heavy bruiser setups. And the nerf is occurring due to Graves, who's exceptional in damage AND tankiness compared to both ADCs and bruisers.

Stars ShaperFeb 14, 20161 votes

Urgot <--- this is your character then

Also lets put things both ways so that there are also not ranged-only items. Lets see what happens with Yi/Fiora/whoever building item 3085 . You can't ask to keep something abusive because you like it.

Photos of GhostsFeb 14, 20161 votes

Well, I'd leave Hydras to be Melee and Runaan to be ranged because they're essentially the same item with different drawbacks. But other than that, Triforce has just an amount of damage and movespeed difference between ranged and melee - why can't it be the same for Dead Man's? It a consumable autoattack buff just like Triforce. Curently, ranged champs get full movespeed and no damage. Why not HALF movespeed and HALF damage?

Stars ShaperFeb 14, 20161 votes

Becuase it's an item that should have been melee only since the begin (the movespeed too) since it was meant for tanks and low movement speed melee champions in order to give them a chance at reaching champions with ranged attacks and mobility skills.

Photos of GhostsFeb 14, 20161 votes

Please answer. Why is getting half the worth for my gold not enough for you to be satisfied, your picks have a higher winrate and pickrate than mine over the existence of LoL already.

Stars ShaperFeb 14, 20161 votes

You are playing something toxic and not balanced for and whine about having low winrates?

Also I am playing already struggling champions (building as they should be) and I don't need you or any other "i'm too cool for school" getting an edge because they feel like it.

Adapt to the game or gtfo.

Photos of GhostsFeb 14, 20161 votes

I'm not whining. I'm telling you that yours is a non-argument. My "toxic and not balanced" picks have always been unfavored compared to yours. And no, YOU adapt to the game. This is a game where you get gold and use it for items, and who picks the best kit+items and makes the better decisions and execution of them wins. If you deem my strategy to be more effective (which is false, it's just more fun) and you absolutely want to win, then apply my strategy. You'll find out I only did it for fun. And because I CAN, because I'M SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO.

Photos of GhostsFeb 14, 20161 votes

c'mn guysssss why so rude and limited...