Somehow it feels like it's still preseason...

SaltyToplaneGoat·Apr 12, 2016·160 votes·4,476 views

I just can't take ranked game seriously anymore. Tons of shit is broken, games are stompy and one-sided as hell, balance in general is screwed up,...

TBH the only reason I don't play normals instead is becasue since I never played a normal game in the last years my normal MMR is that low that I'd feel bad for stomping those I get matched with. Jumped in a normal game with a friend once... played Orianna. Had a full mejas in like 20 minutes. Meanwhile the enemy team was completly taking itself apart in the all chat. Due to my power our team stomped them so hard they drowned themselves in toxicness. At the same time it was the most hollow and easiest win I have ever had and I seriously felt bad for that.

So now I have the weird "what the fuck?!" atmosphere of normal games combined with the pressure of ranked games. Not really a good mix.

70 Comments

THE RlVER KlNGApr 13, 201614 votes

I'm Vel'Koz, fed out of my ass off some poor Katarina, still can't carry a game against one fed Vayne, who manages to three shot everyone while I get punished hard everytime I ult (or she tumbles from every E).......

I'm the fed GP who lands two sets of barrels, uses his ult, AND cleanses the Jhin root but still can't duel him 1v1 mid-game........

I'm the Tahm Kench support who Devours and lands all my Tongue Lashes on the Lucian but he's dashing every 5 seconds and crits me for 950 damage every 2, with his zero mana problems and 35% cdr to boot, as my Ashe struggles to keep up.......

I'm the Xerath who worked so hard in lane to keep a Zed down, managed to go 2/0/1 against him with a little bit of jungler's help and then watch in sadness as he gets roams twice and is now 4/2/1, proceeds to melt me all game before I can get off one Q while I now have zero kill pressure because he and the Graves jungle now have Maw......

I'm the FIddlesticks who makes smart plays and ganks for my team, ults and Zhonyas, does negligent damage as the Corki one-shots me with a rocket-Q-auto before I have time to reposition and CC priority targets.........

I'm the Syndra who is OOM all game and can't compete with manaless splitpushing menaces and can barely tickle a Bloodthirster-Death's Dance-Maw-PD ADCimeanGraves.

I'm the Wukong, can't fight the Tank Akali/Ekko/Fizz/Yi/Fiora anymore because they get IBG, DMP and Sunfire and output more base stats than in 2 seconds than I can with a Ravenous or Yomuu's or Titanic in 5.......

I'm sad. I miss League. [zombie-nunu-tears]

macromiteApr 13, 20166 votes

honestly, if someone were to just release league of legends, but as it was in s2 or s3, I would play that.

Arsenic SulfurApr 14, 20161 votes

Ryze top lane meta, AP Yi, League of Cleavers, League of Warmogs, the two holy trinities(Corki Ez Graves AD/Lee Elise Kha jung), KASSADIN, League of Atmogs(aka Fratmogs, Atmas+Warmog), 4v0 pushes, AP Eve mid, release Leblanc, Xin, and Zyra. You'd still get problems if you went back.

Vistha KaiApr 14, 20161 votes

Release LeBlanc? She was piss-poor. You could keep her under tower whole game with anybody with any waveclear.

Compared to what we have now League of Atmogs was nothing.

Kassadin was never seen, due to near perfect banrate.

The only problem about AP Yi was the randomness of Alpha Strike, he was still basically Katarina.

DengedenApr 13, 20161 votes

Wow, the Velkoz who dumpstered a Kat and still managed to never roam bot, that's sooooo impressive.

The GP with 2 forms of AoE who wants to duel 1v1.

The TK who didn't get Swifties and isn't making picks with Ashe.

The Xerath who gets a lead and neither buys pinks nor rotate bot when Zed goes mia.

The Fiddle (without abyssal) who walks into Corki damage.

The Syndra without blue pot or Athene's, who doesn't abuse the range advantage she has over Graves.

Wukong top is cheesy and sucks, don't play it.

THE RlVER KlNGApr 13, 20163 votes

Did I ever say I didn't?

I killed the Thresh, and killing enemies is a large portion of League strategy, especially priority targets such as the ADC. Sorry if going after carries was a bad idea.

Did I ever say I didn't buy swifties? And how will Ashe ever reliably stun a Lucian with his dash? This is a conjectural situation regardless, and if you read, you would see I landed all my stuns and Devour.

Again, when did I ever say I did or did not buy pinks, or that I didn't try to keep up with Zed's rotations? I would also like to point out that it's much harder to rotate safely as an immobile, squishy mage than as a quick, mobile assassin. Even for Xerath's range.

I mentioned one item (Zhonyas), does that mean that was my whole build? In this hypothetical situation, I WOULD have Abyssal, as well as Sorc Boots, Liandry's, Void Staff, and other good Fiddle items. Doesn't matter to a Corki though, in his current state. You do realize how Fiddle ult works, right? I have to take a risk and Zhonyas IN THE MIDDLE of the enemy team. If the teamfight doesn't end by the time I come out if stasis, or shift its position, then often I am in the middle of the enemy team. So, yes, I did 'walk into' Corki damage for my team.

No mana pots anymore......didn't you read patch notes months ago? Even with Athene's, mage can still go OOM, especially spam combo mages like Syndra. Secondly, range means shit against the defense of a full tank with the damage of an AD assassin. Especially when that guy has a dash and potent nearsight too.

Why? He's got damage, inherent tankiness, can roam, great teamfights. Still doesn't help him against the top meta right now.

I think I understand the point you're trying to make but it came across as rude and condescending just for the sake of being rude and condescending. You also made a lot of assumptions that weren't relevant to what I was pointing out.

DengedenApr 13, 20161 votes

Killing champions is the least important thing in the game, objective control is the only thing that matters. If you already killed Thresh, you had zero reason to go after Jhin.

Ashe can stun Lucy because you had him devoured? Or go after other targets with your ult.

It's easy to keep up with rotations if you're as ahead as you say you were. Any mage can push in Zed under those circumstances. Or were you behind in CS after all?

I realize Fiddle ults in, uses flash, Q-E's and then either Ws or enters stasis. Not exactly a scenario after which Corki would be able to stand within 400 units of him. His team had 3 seconds to follow up on his chain CC and AoE MR shred too. Maybe more.

I meant the blue elixir. Running oom using only 2 spells is fairly hard, not to mention double doran's or blue buff.

Wu top can only go in and can't farm safely, his clone is his only form of disengage and a poor one at that (it's way too obvious).

I think I understand the point you're trying to make but it came across as rude and condescending just for the sake of being rude and condescending.

Funny, I could say the same about your post. All insulting the game's balance for its own sake with no indication of improvement.

You also made a lot of assumptions that weren't relevant to what I was pointing out.

You were pretty vague about the circumstances, you only made various thinly veiled implications that certain champions are so OP that they hardcounter others. Which isn't true, so I made the most straightforward assumptions.

THE RlVER KlNGApr 13, 20162 votes

I mean....it didn't cost me anything to kill Thresh he was at like 400 HP, I only needed a Q-auto. This was a real experience. You're saying I should have let him go before my Caitlin and Leona caught up (and they DID manage to kill him after I died, btw)? Objectives ARE more important than kills, but seeing as we had just taken drag not sure what your point is......

Tahm stun after Devour is literally a quarter of a second? This hypothetical situation probably isn't a 1v2 orgy with a point blank Ashe stun? Lucian is smart enough do dash out if I get two stacks and continue to kite?

Pushing with an immobile mage, against a Zed? Away from the protection of my tower? How about no. Secondly, if Zed roams first, then he will be there before me, and I would follow and risk him solo killing me or the jungler finding me. If I roam first, he takes my turret made of paper, and I'll have to go all the way around to avoid his massive zone control.

If I took the time to Q-E Corki after I ulted in then I'd be dead from his frontline (or his Package dot) before you can say point and click. Zhonyas is essential in a teamfight. Corki can always dash out or Package in.

Blue elixir......? The AP Elixir doesn't give mana and it's expensive, also not available early game to begin with. Blue buff IF I leave lane and/or jg give it to me. Syndra still has mana problems that will only be exacerbated by this item rework.

Wu is a very balanced champion that's fun to play, sorry if that's not what you like. This toplane meta does not favor him.

My initial post was 'vague' because I didn't really want to post 2 walls of text for each one (which I have now exclusively for you, thank me when it's convenient), and I wasn't trying to give some scientific discourse on everything wrong with League - just trying to say balance is screwed up and I'm don't really have fun playing League a lot of the time now.

It's great to have a differing opinion on whether League is good right now but what I find confusing is that you kinda just out of nowhere attacked me for my post, which wasn't toxic or rude or argumentative. I didn't put at the top that "Dengeden sucks at League, calling him out on it and I hope he comments on my post". I wasn't trying to offer solutions, insult Riot (or you for that matter), or do anything really. Just a nostalgic post about how League used to be. Sorry if you took that the wrong way. Don't stir up trouble where there was none to begin with.......

Serika ZeroApr 13, 20161 votes

Tank Akali doesn't build Ice Born Gauntlet, last time I checked Yi and Fiora also will not get it. Fizz maybe, but if he goes tank he wants rageblade/botrk as first or second item. Also, most of them don't get dead man plate either

THE RlVER KlNGApr 13, 20161 votes

Yeah, tank Fiora usually has Titanic and Cleaver and SV/Randuins, Yi usually gets Sated and Guinsoo's then straight tank items. I was just using the popular items right now as an example.

YCitizenSnipsYApr 14, 20161 votes

Oh wow you mean being fed doesn't mean anything when the enemy team has some one fed as well. That at that point it comes down to what you can do for your team. And its not like its impossible to do the same thing in reverse for your first example. I'm a fed Vayne that couldn't win becasue of the fed Vel'koz I could never get in range of to stop doing massive long range AOE damage to my team.

Wow a GP that is worried about a 1v1 when your entire kit is about AOE damage to a team. Yeah I really hate when I play Rengar and can't 1v5 their entire team becasue I'm designed to delete a single person.

You're the Xerath player that is so good at this game you beat the big bad Zed player hard in lane. Yet for some reason are complaining that he isn't stupid enough to keep picking a fight he isn't winning and instead looking for opportunities else where. All the while you AFK in mid lane and can't even some what try to affect his roam with you Semi-global ult.

You're the fiddle sticks that uses Ult and Zhonyas that doesn't hit a thing, and saves your fear and silence for priority targets who aren't the Corki who is "one'shotting" you.

You're the Syndra player trying to 1v1 split pushers instead of using your AOE damage in stun in a team fight. You also like focusing the Graves who is literally built to counter you.

You're the Wukong who is building glass cannon inn the top lane and are upset about getting beat by a bruiser style build thats meant to soak AD damage.

I found your problem "I'm Bad, I miss League."

THE RlVER KlNGApr 14, 20161 votes

Kinda hard to output all that 'massive long range AOE damage" when I have people diving on me left and right and a Vayne will literally kill me with three autos if I do not Zhonyas immediately after the first. Also very hard to land a solid E as Vel these days with all the mobility creep these days. :/ (Also, his ult has a painfully slow turn rate and he is rooted while he does so, whereas Vayne cna move as she pleases whilst dealing more damage)

Again, not really sure what you and the other guy are trying to prove about the GP thing.......this isn't a teamfight. It's the fact that I as a fed top laner can still not 1v1 an ADC, which is irritating. This is after I took drag with Cait, who recalled; I shot the Thresh who was wandering around and killed him, turned onto Jhin to cleanse his root and landed two barrels and used my ult to get him; he still kills me in 5-6 autos. This isn't a matter of what GP's kit is designed for, its the fact I can't even win a fight against an ADC anymore even when I do everything right.

What? I'm not complaining that Zed is roaming, I'm complaining that even if you work hard as a mage to keep an assassin down in lane it doesn't really matter in this meta because they can literally get like 1-2 kills off a roam, buy Maw, and YOU now have no kill pressure, and they have inifinite. I play Xerath, the range is actually quite negligible early ranks (think Tahm ulti), and it roots me in place as I do so, leaving me vulnerable to the enemy assassin in question if they manage to flank me.

Did you even read my earlier posts?

No, I'm the Syndra player trying to get the split pusher off me in a teamfight (in this case, Graves), and also focusing him/her because they output a shitton of damage, but I fail because Graves literally has double digit resistances with no defensive items. Sorry for focusing a priority target.

I've got no problem fighting tanks top as an AD character, what I have a problem with is damage characters BUILDING straight tank and then murdering everyone with their crazy bases/overrloaded utility/Grasp/etc. Please read.

Again, as I told the other guy, in no way did I phrase my post to offend or cause an argument, and now 2 of you come on here and act very rude for no reason......actually kind've hurts my feelings a bit. All I wanted to say was that the balance of League right now is whacked and I miss other seasons when it wasn't as crazy. There was absolutely no need for you to get all tempermental and call me bad. That wasn't very nice. I'm also getting very tired of explaining my post over and over again to people like you and the other guy who are just being rude for rudeness's sake at this point. Please find a different thread to antagonize and stop blowing up the OP's feed.

YCitizenSnipsYApr 14, 20161 votes

Its becasue every one of your examples are bad.

You said you couldn't win because of the Vayne in your Vel'koz story. You are a long range mage against an ADC who can only auto attack, and you can't contribute more to a team fight then her when extremely fed? She has 550 range and that's it, you don't have a single spell with less range, hell even your auto range on Vel'koz is 525. How are you getting caught out and punished but this Vayne isn't?

You are Xerath, a roam for you is to walk halfway down river and press R. Also who cares if Zed buys Maw, focus some one else on their team. There is no excuse for having a lead in lane and watching some one roam their way to success, you literally have to be AFK. Especially if you have a semi global ult.

You're Gangplank story has to be complete horse shit. His crits are ridiculous and there is no way you out put the damage you claimed to have and not killed an ADC. You are either lying about what landed or the Jhin is even more fed than you were. There is no way this Jhin just autoed/ulted you to death in the middle of a barrel chain and cannon barrage.

Graves is the lowest range ADC in the game at 425, and you are using Syndra with one of the longest basic ability AOE stuns in the game and you are having a problem keeping him off you? How is he even in range of you? She was given the ability to cast spells while still moving just so she would excel at kiting, there is no way you are being run down by a Graves in a team fight.

Agian you are using a champion, Wukong, designed to be a bruiser and using him glass cannon., Then wonder why you aren't deleting the champion who are doing what you are supposed to be doing and building bruiser. http://champion.gg/champion/MonkeyKing Here you go, this is what successful Wukongs build and I don't see a Hydra.

The balance in league isn't the problem for you. And you have to be blunt with some one like you telling all these stories that make absolutely no since when trying to complain about the state of the game.

Meanie40Apr 12, 201613 votes

It is still preseason for a lot of us, and Season 6 is unlikely to exist. Because Riot's not going to implement Pure Solo Queue.

macromiteApr 13, 20161 votes

they can't. like, it would kill league of legends harder than anything else.

Meanie40Apr 13, 20166 votes

Not releasing Pure Solo Queue will kill League harder than anything else.

macromiteApr 13, 20162 votes

no, no releasing it would kill league, it would separate the community in an incredible fashion.

it's not the first time a massive game has been killed like this.

The Queen ViperApr 13, 20165 votes

You do realize that we had "separated community" due to Ranked 5's and Solo/Duo for like 5 years and the game didn't die?

macromiteApr 13, 20161 votes

but you see yoru logic is a failure, ranked fives and solo duo both had different styles, but it was hard enough to get five specific people together to actually play a match, so everyone used solo/duo, at least a little.

if there was a true solo and a dynamic, they would both have incredible issues. notably the solo players playing the solo queue kills the dynamic players unless there was an option for solo players to opt in to dynamic for increased reward, but there isn't any reason why we shouldn't just have the increased reward for solo players in dynamic be the standard instead of creating a situation where solo players are drastically not with dynamic players. also, it's a lot easier to find a random friend duo than it is to find 4 players with reasonable schedules.

AlsekApr 14, 20161 votes

So what you're basically saying is if you actually gave people the option to pick between solo queue and dynamic queue they'd pick solo queue? And that's your logic as to why it shouldn't be released?

What kind of logic is that?

T RexHasTinyArmsApr 13, 201610 votes

So I played a game recently and was hovering Nasus as a jungle pick. Two more players hover the dog and second pick top lane selects him with first pick taking KogMaw . Last pick support says "let's just go all animals as a team comp, that sounds legit," and mid locks in Fizz while I lock Warwick . Support switched from Bard to Volibear so we could have all animals and we just made jokes about it all game. The end of the game the opponents asked if we were a 5 man bc we were joking and screwing around so much, and at least 3 of us were solo and just apparently ranked is the land of random fun shit now instead of being serious.

Lol, the best part is it was probably the least toxic game I've had in a while bc we didn't get behind and were just joking and having fun all game, and I got 24 LP at the end of it.

The DeckownerApr 13, 20161 votes

Kog isnt an animal, should play twitch

warmcorntortillaApr 13, 20163 votes

he's a critter. he counts.

PbJMpP4xzkApr 12, 20165 votes

Another man speaking the truth about the state of the game thanks man thump up.

SecretlolzApr 13, 20165 votes

This game is a complete joke and It's dead to me. You should move on with your life

blkKalameetApr 13, 20164 votes

there is no season 6, this is just an extended preseason for s7.

GenghisEmoApr 14, 20161 votes

Exactly my thoughts XD

Mael broApr 13, 20163 votes

Classic boards QQ.

KãtãrinãApr 12, 20162 votes

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LatetotheRaceApr 12, 201639 votes

Assassins are building tank and doing well, mages are trash, turrets are weak, one ace = game (or 80%+). Supports are suffering since pre-season. Marksmen have more damage/mobility/survivability than they know what to do with, and that mana stuff. The list goes on. This season isn't in terribly good shape tbh.

Serika ZeroApr 12, 201621 votes

Let's give adcs an item that gives 30%cdr. Riot 2016. Adcs used to have 100% crit rate, 40% cdr and a lot of attack speed. To bad gage or maw or scimtar is so good, we gona sac 20% crit rate for that. Now mages will lose ap in favour of cdr. Almost all items get 10% cdr fucking over with built paths. Ap assassins nerfed thx to the huuuuge abyssal nerf (like 500 more gold price and weaker passive early game and less ap) Void staff will become the best cost efficient item regardless if you want to kill squishy or tanks. Stupid mobility item will cause a few mages to go crazy high win rate, oh hi ryze..

macromiteApr 13, 20161 votes

ryze? you mean, leblanc? three dash leblanc anyone?

Serika ZeroApr 13, 20161 votes

Yes, Ryze. Ryze is very strong when he gets in range. His weakness is very low mobility so he can only get in range via flash or running towards the enemy.

His other weakness is that right now he is capped at 5 spells in passive. Still enough to 100-0 an squishy without maw and gage.

1 800 MID LANEApr 13, 20162 votes

Except that his passive can still have virtually 100% uptime anyways along with his ult.

Serika ZeroApr 13, 20162 votes

le point is, unless that item gona have a huge cooldown, ryze is going to murder the masses...... again. And for once, its not his fault as a champion, but the designers

i'm still sad about abysal nerf q.q my diana loved it oh well, its not like i'm playing a lot of lol this season anyway

macromiteApr 13, 20161 votes

it would probably also help galio a little. imagine galio getting played again.

Serika ZeroApr 13, 20162 votes

I don't even know how to play vs him. So..... Yeh

Vistha KaiApr 14, 20161 votes

You aren't alone in that.

I outright dodge, when I know, I'll lane aganist Galio.

Serika ZeroApr 14, 20161 votes

I just know that when someone gets a lil yellow glow around them, don't attack that person. Otherwise I don't dodge vs Galio, but only saw him like less than 10 times in 3 years of lol (and I mostly play mid and top)

Vistha KaiApr 14, 20161 votes

lil yellow glow

Ka?

DessemApr 13, 20162 votes

Galio? Is that the new champion?

Mr FidoriApr 14, 20161 votes

It's literally the thing I'm looking forward to most.

VelasanApr 13, 20162 votes

In the sense that a lot of things are still being tested and we are mid season and about to hit another big change in the mid season update... yes it does feel a lot like an on-going preseason.

Non stop testing all season long. Things get shaken up every week. I look forward to the mage update though. I play a lot of mages and get tired of seeing heavy AD comps with multiple hexdrinkers.

I also find it weird to see that people don't believe mages are supposed to do damage. In any other game that I've ever played one of the definitions of a mage is a long range glass cannon. I mean honestly... diablo 3 (not the best game, but a good example) the wizard has an option for a talent literally called "glass cannon." If they only bring utility that's functionally a support, and not all mages are supports.

LeetriApr 13, 20161 votes

On a side note regarding mages, I find it funny how the D3 Wizard in Heroes of the Storm had the longest range poke (could literally take down at least 1 tower without taking damage before Minions even spawned), the highest damage, the most mobility, being the tankiest character because of a massive shield on your teleport and healing for a quarter of your HP every time you get a kill or assist, the shortest cooldowns AND a complete reset on cooldowns on kills or assists. She's an ungodly chimera of pre-nerf Kassadin, Vel'Koz, Katarina and Aurelion Sol, the avatar of Overloaded. Right now she has a 99.3% popularity (pick/ban), what even is that? Whoever designed her puts CertainlyT to shame.

DessemApr 13, 20162 votes

TBH the only reason I don't play normals instead is becasue since I never played a normal game in the last years my normal MMR is that low that I'd feel bad for stomping those I get matched with.

I usually play champions I'm completely unfamiliar with in Normals, but it's annoying because I get matched against Bronze and Silver players... because the last I played Normal Queue last year (when I started) was after being in shock from placing in Bronze I for placements.

I don't quite enjoy Normal Queue nowadays because it's a crapshoot of either being matched against someone much weaker or much stronger than you are, and seldom a balanced state of people (assumed to be) at a similar skill level.

The Queen ViperApr 13, 20162 votes

Oh, just wait for the "Mage item rework (nerfs)".

... gonna be fun when 90% of the mages are unviable.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

KythersApr 14, 20162 votes

playing an immobile adc right now is some shit when you have high mobility sunfire gauntlet tanks running around

xX Gatekeeper XxApr 14, 20161 votes

Lol the gold border said he won't q normal cause he will stomp newbs. I literally laughed out loud and had 30 people look at me outdoors.

SaltyToplaneGoatApr 14, 20161 votes

My normal MMR is probably unranked/low bronze. Sure, gold is usually laughed at, but between that and unranked/bronze there are WORLDS. Just like there is between gold and dia, which is also two leagues. And I'd be sure a dia player would TOTALLY shit on me, no doubt on that.

Also, I don't need to be a super-pro to stomp newbs. Simply being a little better and constantly acting on their numerous mistakes is pretty much enough. Once you have a certain lead you stomp pretty much per default unless they come up with organized teamwork, which they don't because it's low bronze/unranked. That's just how the game is.

xX Gatekeeper XxApr 15, 20161 votes

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My normal MMR is probably unranked/low bronze. Sure, gold is usually laughed at, but between that and unranked/bronze there are WORLDS. Just like there is between gold and dia, which is also two leagues. And I'd be sure a dia player would TOTALLY shit on me, no doubt on that.

Also, I don't need to be a super-pro to stomp newbs. Simply being a little better and constantly acting on their numerous mistakes is pretty much enough. Once you have a certain lead you stomp pretty much per default unless they come up with organized teamwork, which they don't because it's low bronze/unranked. That's just how the game is.

watch out rito. This solo q god is going to 1v5 all the lcs next split claiming his gold border pedastool. there is a running meme out there right now based on people who only played ranked games and yes it is "solo q masters" whether its in challenger where they really are masters and you silly golds who are also "quote on quote" masters""". Gave a good day you lose and no you cant challenge me.