why do these so called "hypercarries" have good to amazing early games?

AmetDeCrypt·Nov 1, 2017·4 votes·633 views

was buffed back up for massive lategame scalings and also bullying has amazing and super obnoxious harass with his w range keeping enemies off minion waves if you let him is a goddam monster bully that scales harder than everyone with defensive items like sterak's despite having 0 base ad is a level 2 all in fiend that one shots everyone early game and late is basically kalista level bullying on an assassin that can take one kill and turn it into 20 whenever he pops from nowhere and melts down your team before anyone can react

point being they all do SO much damage at all stages of the game, not just late after items. why if they're supposed to be for lategame are they so good earlly. meanwhile sitting around here the actual designed lane bully getting bullied around by THEM

19 Comments

gabetheguyNov 2, 20172 votes

LOL KOGMAW EARLYGAME STRONG

AmetDeCryptNov 2, 20172 votes

not strong. obnoxious. he has caitlyn's range and bonus free damage from his w, he hurts and pokes hard.

AhrisNov 1, 20171 votes

If you think kalista is weak then you do not understand ADC AT ALL.

AmetDeCryptNov 2, 20171 votes

OH BOY two people thought I was saying she's weak in a row. I'll refer you to to my other comment where I clarified she's average to good early game if you know what you're doing but even if she gets ahead anyone on this list can duel her with far fewer of the items they supposedly need to scale and do any damage because her autos are bad and riot nerfed her into the ground to be dependent on her support to do literally anything.

in fact I PLAY kalista as one of the adc I take when I'm given the role. I know what her strengths and weaknesses are and they're far more glaring than any other carry on this list.

AhrisNov 2, 20171 votes

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OH BOY two people thought I was saying she's weak in a row. I'll refer you to to my other comment where I clarified she's average to good early game if you know what you're doing but even if she gets ahead anyone on this list can duel her with far fewer of the items they supposedly need to scale and do any damage because her autos are bad and riot nerfed her into the ground to be dependent on her support to do literally anything.

in fact I PLAY kalista as one of the adc I take when I'm given the role. I know what her strengths and weaknesses are and they're far more glaring than any other carry on this list.

Kalista has one of most BROKEN early games. If you play kalista you do know any trade will most likely lean to your favor right?

The Bearded BardNov 1, 20171 votes

It's supports that make late game carries strong early game.

Also, AD champions being weak early game is a myth. Take a ranged ADC mid lane and see how badly you fuck up so called 'early game' mages.

AmetDeCryptNov 2, 20172 votes

not ad champs. hypercarries, champions supposedly designed with the late game in mind scaling well with items but having low base stats (which they don't) and little safety (which they generally do but that's a toss up)

ACTI0NBASTARDNov 1, 20171 votes

The only real "hyper carries" you mentioned on there are Kog and Twitch.

The Bearded BardNov 1, 20172 votes

Trist is absolutely a hyper carry.

AmetDeCryptNov 2, 20172 votes

you forgot vayne? maybe some of these aren't considered hyper carries but they certainly have the damage and the range to back it up.

PimpStickNasusNov 1, 20171 votes

I mean, the only hyper carry champ that I see having an annoyingly strong early game is Fiora, and even then it's more cause she's cancer

AmetDeCryptNov 2, 20171 votes

I won't disagree but I think that's the bruiser class in general speaking that needs a proper class rework.

GankedByWindowsNov 2, 20171 votes

You're saying Kalista is weak? Seriously? She is 100% BANNED at worlds. Not even pick/ban, BAN. Teams won't even trade her for two picks. She does not get bullied by any one of those champions besides maybe, maybe MF who by the way isn't a hypercarry.

AmetDeCryptNov 2, 20171 votes

oh boy let me go check where I said kalista is weak...

uh no she's bullied around by the other carries, even if she gets ahead a half item miss fortune can easily duel a kalista auto for auto from full health and mana, the only way kalista can get around this is by bursting her down when she's not ready.

she's good at farming early and scales average to poorly with short range and no real personal safety against assassins or anyone with a slow. the problem becomes when other of these far better scaling carries can duel her easy in the early game because her auto attacks are just as bad as theirs early but worse, the only thing she has is her deceptive burst if they let her stack but by that time she's dead.

GankedByWindowsNov 2, 20171 votes

She is strong because her and Caitlyn are the only ones who can bully the hypercarries so hard and puts them so far behind they never get to late game.

If she was like you said and had bad laning AND scaled average to poorly, and with short range, how would she compete with the hypercarries at all, who have poor laning, long range, and monster scaling?

CamilleRule34Nov 2, 20171 votes

MF does not outscale most of those champs listed lol.

AmetDeCryptNov 2, 20171 votes

she has a bonus permanent crit on her passive that can also crit. that's 400% ad scaling alone, her w gives her over 100% attack speed and her ult scales massively with ad, basically her auto attacks but in an aoe. yea she kinda does.

ZT XperimentorNov 2, 20171 votes

Apparently riot didn't think they were hyper enough. Sigh

MizayaNov 2, 20171 votes

Kalista is strong as hell people just don't play her outside of high elo, and 100% ban rate at worlds or something like that? Yeah that says something.