Reduce Elise's ult CD

mtAkFzLsUS·5/14/2015, 9:08:23 PM·53 votes·2,539 views

There is no reason nidalee should be able to change forms faster than elise, when nidalee is better at everything.

This is a good start to buffing elise. Nidalee's change form is 3 seconds, lets make elise's also 3 seconds.

36 Comments

UPfreely5/15/2015, 5:50:29 AM6 votes

elise definitely needs some love but I don't feel like this is the change she needs.

what if she readied twice was many spiderlings against champions? they could maybe increase the mount she can build up too

or maybe killing minions/monsters in spider form could immediately generate a spider

i really want her to feel more like a spider but i dont think more shapeshifting is the way to do it.

WolfChases5/14/2015, 10:04:35 PM5 votes

Dude....but no one at Riot mains Elise.

Awoof5/14/2015, 10:09:15 PM3 votes

Or they do something else they did with Nidalee. Make Elise's R reset when she hits a cocoon.

Auturgist5/14/2015, 10:20:58 PM2 votes

I wish I could upvote this a billion times. As someone who mains Elise, I can't say anything about her feels wrong, but being able to switch forms faster would help a lot in terms of both her jungle clear times and her champ engage, as well as help her to be ever-so-slightly more mobile around the map. Perfect suggestion, OP!

Partholonian5/15/2015, 12:24:37 AM2 votes

Elise doesn't have an ult. If you're thinking "does X have their ult off CD to have a big effect on this fight"... the answer for Elise is always no. She doesn't have any skills that can ever have the teamfight impact of Amumu Gragas Sejuani ult for example. She doesn't have ult ganks, even after level 6.

This means that she can't take advantage of the "ult gank, then farm while waiting for ult CD" pattern that almost every other jungler uses to achieve more reliable ganks while also taking some time to farm and get gold and exp.

Her minimum and maximum levels of gank threat are the same -- and they're effectively equal to everyone else's minimum, which is NOT the same as their maximum.

kunkudunk5/15/2015, 2:35:45 PM2 votes

Honestly, elise shouldn't have to rapidly swap, her forms should simply be better in their best use cases. As it stands she is to squishy but also doesn't do enough damage to warrant her squishyness.

LUCCY5/14/2015, 10:52:37 PM2 votes

if she stacks max spiderlings, instantly reset cooldown on spider form

Lugg5/16/2015, 5:54:34 PM1 votes

It's pretty obvious she needs buffed. Compared to the other junglers in the game, she doesn't really bring anything to the table right now.

NuSix35/15/2015, 8:35:37 AM1 votes

Elise could use help. Just not this.

Penguin Eclipse5/15/2015, 2:23:16 PM1 votes

I can agree with this. Her ult CD is fairly long. Though having the CD be reduced per level of her R might be better for her instead of a reduction across the board.

I am one of the few people that actually thinks Elise is pretty strong. And yes, I do play her extensively.

qetzel5/15/2015, 9:23:18 PM1 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Elise/Jungle

Man... look at that win rate for people who have little experience on her...

Yeah. She probably needs a buff (or a rework to make her more easily buff-able hint hint) but is this the best place to do it. Given how horribly average she is at doing everything, small buffs can make a big difference - the problems of a generalist. As such, Riot are going to have to be careful with buffing her. You may not see any work done on Elise after the next change for some time for this reason. Nobody wants her pushed over the edge.

So yeah. What do you think are her problems (be specific) and how do you think they can be overcome? What weaknesses do you think she should be given so that she can then gain strengths and what strengths should those be?

LickBamboo5/16/2015, 1:53:35 AM1 votes

I would just like to see Elise be a affective utility assasin. The cocoon is awesome but she lacks so hard in damage unless i'm just completely overly fed with full damage. Also i find her to be Super squishy 0-0 but i love the gal -tear-Elise

Biff Manly5/16/2015, 2:48:01 AM1 votes

Weaknesses: Pitiful AP Ratios Mana Starved after a single gank Oddly squishy Still slower than most champs Her gap closer leaves a half-second gap due to the slow animation Spiderlings die instantly Long cooldowns on most spells

Strengths: % HP damage ranged attack % HP damage finisher Spiderlings do a surprising amount of damage Skillshot Stun

...and that's about where she stands right now. Comparing her to the rest, I'd say Nidalee is most similar, with her "Human setup, manaless ult form finisher." Except Elise lacks any real power in her initiation and has only one chance to use her finisher. Nidalee can endlesslyPpounce toward and away, Elise has a ridiculous cooldown on her Rappel. All 3 of Nidalee's Cougar abilities are damaging, powerful moves. Elise's execute is her only heavy-impact move. She has a buff that gives her a tiny heal with each attack and some attack speed and a gap closer with a ridiculous cooldown that does not do damage and takes a full second to perform.

TLDR; Make Elise as broken as Nidalee plz