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I'm so done with Nidalee.

mtAkFzLsUS··45 votes·3,159 views

'were not nerfing nidalee bcuz tankz r strong and we wanna see how she does' Meanwhile nidalee abolutely shits on the jungle for several patches and riot doesn't give a fuck, but once sej does well shes nerfed, and then her item is nerfed.

I was just playing nautilus, was 0/0/16, and I was COUNTERJUNGLING the nidalee. Thats so you get an idea how bad this nidalee was. What happens? The nidalee gets extremely fed because all she has to do is land her 1 spear to take 50%+ of their health out, 'Just dodge her spear' Thats hard to do when shes not even in your damn screen when she throws it and comes through the damn wall, proceeds to hop over and use her 4 second Execute on you.

When you reworked nidalee, you barely took damage off her spear, and to compensate you gave her bonus MS through the bush, her spears grant vision, a 700 range follow up after landing her spear, a 4 second execute that can do easily 30% of you health, a reseting jump to get out and AP scalings on her cougar form.

Seriously, fuck your balance team riot.

57 Comments

BZ Hexate27 votes

She does need nerfs... so badly... jesus you took like 200 damage off her spear, and added like 1200 to her couger

PoisonedPeace1 votes

They were compensating Human form for cougar nerfs. Veigar style.

Sagee Prime1 votes

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She does need nerfs... so badly... jesus you took like 200 damage off her spear, and added like 1200 to her couger

lol both human and cougar do less damage than she did pre-rework

Narasimha8 votes

Something feels really off with your scenario. If you're 0/0/16, then chances are, you should be way out of laning phase. And a Nida spear barely tickles a tank. So if she's consistently landing spears on your squishies, then either its a REALLY good Nida, you're not positioning yourself as a tank well enough, or your squishies were just that retardedly out of position.

And yes, it is much better than before. Why? Because now she HAS to pounce to her target to get most of her damage off. That's essentially a wet dream for a tank, more so a Nautilus. Its practically a target begging to be cced.

MrBuffington4 votes

Salt tends to skew peoples' memories, in my experience :3

Though I still question Riot's decision to just randomly toss Nidalee in jungle; it seemed like they finally reached a point where Nidalee was pretty balanced in mid and top (though people will still rage when she has a good game).

It'd make a lot more sense if they were doing more to support the general playstyle, like if they buffed/reworked Elise concurrently, that'd be nice, having more champions that can go mano-a-mano with Nidalee's playstyle instead of her being this outlier in terms of kit/playstyle. The only champions I can think of that have a remotely similar power curve is like, Shaco, maybe Pantheon, Rek'Sai, and Lee Sin (though the latter three are more bruisers). There are relatively few true assassins that jungle, and many of them are more mid-game oriented and build more like a bruiser/fighter after 2-3 damage items (ie. Kha, Rengar).

PoisonedPeace2 votes

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a Nida spear barely tickles a tank

Except her spears hit for anywhere between 700-1000 damage, and that is a bit more than a tickle when she outranges every non-ult(that I can think of) in the game.

Narasimha1 votes

That's only late game with a full build. Yes, that will hurt a squishy. On the other hand, thats why you have tanks, to body block that kind of thing. Any tank worth his salt would have at the very least 200 MR. Off the top of my head, thats a little around 65% damage reduction against magic. Now, obviously, Nida is going to have some magic pen. With Void staff alone, thats still around 55% damage reduction from MR. So at BEST, that 1000 damage nuke is going to do about 600 damage. For hitting a very thing, medium speed, long range, single target skillshot, thats not too bad.

Jamaree7 votes

...Nidalee has a 48% win rate, Sejunai has a 58% win rate and a higher ban rate sooooo yeeeeeah.

mtAkFzLsUS27 votes

Nidalee has the most toxic gameplay in the entire fricken game, being riot's main priority is getting rid of that gameplay that is what im going off of.

manbearswine5 votes

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Nidalee has the most toxic gameplay in the entire fricken game, being riot's main priority is getting rid of that gameplay that is what im going off of.

Nah,most toxic are probably poppy,rengar,le blanc and ap fizz(which they seem to be trying to bring back)

Malix Farwin1 votes

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Nah,most toxic are probably poppy,rengar,le blanc and ap fizz(which they seem to be trying to bring back)

well all those champions have to get in your face, with the exception of maybe leblanc, the rest are pure melee. ap fizz sucks and poppy ult is toxic but it has a longer cd then nid spears(same with rengar). Heres now bad it is, as toxic as leblanc is, ndid will just have to land 1 spear to take her out the fight and because of how squishy she is it may even 1 shot her.

manbearswine1 votes

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well all those champions have to get in your face,

This reasoning is bad,they have to be in your face...for like 0.25 second,then you die.

poppy you can't stop,le broken and fizz(the thing is on pbe they removed his W shred,meaning they want to bring him back) will also just get away to delete another person a second after,and rengo you can't see coming at all(no,the new "warning icon",pinks,and oracles,do nothing to help NOTHING).

with the exception of maybe leblanc, the rest are pure melee. ap fizz sucks and poppy ult is toxic but it has a longer cd then nid spears(same with rengar). Heres now bad it is, as toxic as leblanc is, ndid will just have to land 1 spear to take her out the fight and because of how squishy she is it may even 1 shot her.

I get that you hate the play pattern of ap nida,but these trashes are just worse.

DJ Di04 votes

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...Nidalee has a 48% win rate, Sejunai has a 58% win rate and a higher ban rate sooooo yeeeeeah.

Never try to argue with these rabid Nidalee-haters, they're as stubborn as 'Sona mains'(me).

Jamaree8 votes

Yeah, right right, forgot, you are supposed to blindly follow circlejerks here, but when you bring up these points AFTER the fact when they are nerfed out of viability, people will act like these things never happened.

DJ Di05 votes

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Yeah, right right, forgot, you are supposed to blindly follow circlejerks here, but when you bring up these points AFTER the fact when they are nerfed out of viability, people will act like these things never happened.

10 patches later:

"omg can you please buff Nidalee? She was a balanced assassin, people just didn't dodge her spears"

Then again, people love to blindly hate Nidalee as much as Teemo; maybe more.

Jamaree1 votes

Every...single time...yet the people will forever bitch, whine, and moan about how Riot keeps reducing variety and diversity...when they ask Riot to do this....every time.

Malix Farwin1 votes

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Every...single time...yet the people will forever bitch, whine, and moan about how Riot keeps reducing variety and diversity...when they ask Riot to do this....every time.

the problem isnt how strong or weak nidalee is, its her gameplay as a whole that is toxic. People mainly ban her because how annoying it is as oppose to if she is beatable or not. When you play nidalee you are willingly playing a champ whos spears are so broken that you can even see them sometimes.

Dedrius3 votes

I mean, I agree she is very strong... But why would you counterjung her when you know how much damage she does....

That is just a misplay on your part.

And if you were 0-0-16 at this time the game should be pretty far in, I'd day 25-30 minutes in so you should have a good amount of MR making it very hard for her to 100-0 you with her combo so I'm having trouble believing your story.

mtAkFzLsUS6 votes

She never killed me.

She just got easy kills on the bot laners as I was top or mid, and its not the bot laners fault either.

Dedrius3 votes

Why wasn't it the bot laners' fault? I find it hard to believe that they effectively warded the river and tri, and did not push without knowing the junglers position and still somehow died to a rouge Nid spear and combo. You can say she snowballs too hard when she gets ahead but don't say its not bot's fault they died to a jungler gank, they had to have done something to make that happen.

mtAkFzLsUS10 votes

When youre playing a game with a nidalee you aren't thinking 'Nidalee, nidalee, nidalee' the whole time.

I smited wolves whenever I could, but guess where nidalee likes to come from? Thats right behind the turret. She also can come from wherever she wants. Nidalee doesn't have to be anywhere near the laners to make the affect. Shes not your average ganker, shes your 'I'll throw my 1700 range spear, and if i hit you better run the fuck away or ill come in and instajump to you and execute you'

Gorgiolio4 votes

Ward properly, which is MORE than just tribush and that little bush at the river opening. Also, if the jungler of any kind isn't constantly in the back of your mind you're playing wrong. If you're counter jungling, where are all you're deep wards? Did you even upgrade trinket? Everyone should know if she is in out of jungle. Especially if you and the support were warding.

Spacesuit Spiff2 votes

Yes, you can do all of this and kinda deal with her. But what other champions require that level of attention just by being in the game, and even when they're underfed? Fiddles, when he has his ult, sure, but he's still slow and immobile and can't engage from as far away.

Gorgiolio1 votes

Sejuani, Zac, kind of aatrox, Gragas, Jarvan with the correct setup, Lee sin, Malphite, SHACO, I don't know if TF jungle is a thing anymore, nocturne, Nunu since you have to watch drag and other things, and even xin zhao. If junglers are not always on your mind, you are going to have a bad time. Because after the laning phase, you should already be wary of ANY being anywhere if there is no vision there. I don't want to defend Nidalee, I think the is cancer, but you're particular complaints are avoidable.

PoisonedPeace2 votes

This just isn't true. Most of the time you have an idea of where the enemy jungler is depending on where you last saw them. That means you know whether or not tri is safe even if its not warded. This doesn't apply to nidalee because she hits a spear from fountain, jumps from her fountain to yours, kills you, and gets out of your fountain on reset w.

Gorgiolio1 votes

Hyperbole probably is not the best point at this point in time to try and get your point across. Right now, she needs to be disabled due to the invisible spears. She needs a different form of sustain, instead of the flat fat stacks of health so she isn't so freaking healthy, her spear toss needs to get looked at A.S.A.P. It provides the utility she needs to make her jump, but at the same time does way too much damage. I liked what they did with her traps, but the problem is those toxic spears. The whole point of her "rework" was to take power away from the Nidalee, Javenuke, and shift it into her cougar. However she retained the power she had in her human form, and got massive buffs into her cougar. She is not, and apparently will never be balanced properly.

metaworldpeace103 votes

YA, she's probably the most toxic champion created. She needs a real rework, none of this "I can assassinate targets from 1300 range!" bullshit.

ABlueQuaker3 votes

You'er Nautilus. Just Hard Engage in a 5v5 and she'll be pretty irrelevant.

Nid is only an issue in small skirmishes or if you give her time to poke.

Silents4293 votes

We have gone this long with her like this you can handle 1 more god damn patch so they can take the effective course of action.

PoisonedPeace2 votes

But they even said they aren't going to touch her because of the incoming tank meta....that they immediately nerfed.

Silents4291 votes

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But they even said they aren't going to touch her because of the incoming tank meta....that they immediately nerfed.

No they said they are going to wait and see how tanks affect her before deciding what to do.

incoming tank meta....that they immediately nerfed.

HOLY SHIT 50 LESS HP?! GOD DAMN TANKS ARE NOT VIABLE ANYMORE GUYS! God forbid I can't tank that 3rd of an auto attack anymore.

PoisonedPeace2 votes

{quoted} HOLY SHIT 50 LESS HP?! GOD DAMN TANKS ARE NOT VIABLE ANYMORE GUYS! God forbid I can't tank that 3rd of an auto attack anymore.

Is increasing the cost and lowering the stats of an item not considered a nerf anymore? Just because a nerf isn't a Veigar dismantling, doesn't mean it isn't a nerf.

Silents4291 votes

No but the degree retards are overreacting to it makes it seem like the end of the world, when its a love tap, a small tweak. A calm the fuck down people barely anything is changing. Jesus.

TenSlashTen3 votes

oh look another "nerf nidalee" thread. oh boy. Season3+ was the death of this games community. I swear.

flibitydoo2 votes

Did you lose the match?

I find it hard to believe a naut lost to a nid when the naut actually got past earlygame

Nid has one of the most garbage teamfights in the game, especially when compared to naut's godlevel teamfighting power.

Apogalacteum2 votes

I wouldn't go so far as to say Nautilus has godlike teamfighting power.

Also, how are you going to engage a teamfight if your carries are constantly picked off by the Nidalee?

Cindikle2 votes

She's always had MS bonus in brush.

She need to have a lower range on your hunted leap or remove the MS bonus chasing hunted targets. No reason to have both. Would solve a LOT of problems.

MrSc0tty2 votes

Wasn't the MS in the bush always her passive?

Jungle Lux God2 votes

To be honest, comparing Sejuani to Nidalee isn't really fair. Sejuani was easily the most broken jungler in the entire game in 5.5.

However, the point that Nidalee is an extremely toxic champion to try and play against still stands. She needs nerfs really badly.

Wondrously1 votes

*goddamn Language like that, will get you banned from the forums. Someone must be better than you because you suck or they're just naturally more aware and have more skill. Sorry, bud.

mtAkFzLsUS5 votes

I just said I was 0/0/16, clearly I was wrecking the enemy team left and right and being I was counterjungling the nidalee i'll take it that she wasn't more skilled than me.

BZ Hexate2 votes

Right, she has a almost-full-screen skillshot which can be shot from who knows where? maybe in wraith? bushes? river bushes sides? just walk up to lane?

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

Even if you countergank her and kill her multiple times, she still ends up huge just from afk farming for a while. And really, even if I can dodge my spears, I don't trust the other 4 to be able to.

Praetor Don1 votes

It's sad to see that the jungle buffs brought her into the spotlight, no one qq'd over my Midalee after her q-execution ratio nerf long ago until said buffs.

Raxicor1 votes

She probably warded her jungle. lol I think she caught on to what you were doing after the first couple kills.

Lhostalis1 votes

The Riot Balance team just needs to be beaten with the stupid stick and if the don't get the message after that well........... Just execute them. Not with the 1200 damage Nidalee cougar form either. Have Maokai grow through them just like Chinese bamboo torture.

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

to compensate you gave her bonus MS through the bush

Spoiler: She had this before and it was stronger, now she only gets a bit more for chasing and less for running away.

The nidalee gets extremely fed because all she has to do is land her 1 spear to take 50%+ of their health out, 'Just dodge her spear'

On what your adc or support? You're Nautilus you should have had some HP and MR to body block the spear for them with your shield or something.

Oh and people don't even understand how the W nerf hurt her first few clears pretty bad, but let's ignore that cause admitting riot did something to nerf her would go against your post.

Oelyk1 votes

You have the most interesting username. i dont play nidalee so ill reserve judgement on this. but if you see a complaining kha tread, please send me over. ill give em my 9001 cents.

Enkidusmurf1 votes

I agree that Nid is pretty toxic right now, and I hope some serious nerfs are coming, especially to her spear. But I think Riot made the right choice in holding off.

If someone tells you your tea is too sweet, the solution is not to make it with no sugar the next time. You lower the amount gradually until you reach the right level of sweetness.

Tanks offer some large counterplay to Nid (ideally, anyway). Buffing them and nerfing her in the same patch would have been silly.

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