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Message to all players gold and lower

Meteor Driz··227 votes·23,585 views

I'm sorry for misguiding some of you in the past. I used to say elo hell wasnt real. That you just had to get better and you would make it out. I said this for years while i sat in plat comfortably enjoying the game.

I now realize that i was wrong. Elo hell does exist and i fully admit that now. I realize now that the two years i spent in plat, I was never a better player than anyone in gold, silver, or bronze. I was just lucky to have made it out on a winstreak in a place that had slightly more committed and sane players.

5000 ranked games over the course of my 5 years playing the game. I'm stuck in silver and I have no hope of getting out. I got placed silver 3 after going 1-9 in placements and now over 200 ranked games later, i'm in silver 4. At no point, have I felt like i could contribute to my climb out.

I maintained a 60% win ratio on my main champs back in the day, even when i play them and i get super fed it doesnt matter. its completely random who wins. i had no idea there were so many afks in this elo. i had no idea there were so many people feeding out of control that the game ends in 15 mins before mid game ever starts.

So to all of you - I'm sorry. I didnt know it was so bad. And i'm sorry for ever telling you all you had to do was get better. I was wrong, you were right. You cant win here, its just luck who gets out and who doesnt, i finally can admit that.

Hope you win the elo lotto,

Driz

Edit: I just wanted to say thanks to everyone on this post. If you are feeling frustrated about your climb, I hope knowing that you aren't alone makes it a little easier on you - as it does for me.

**Edit: ** Over 5,000 views wow! There is so much interesting discussion here, thank you everyone that has contributed your thoughts!

368 Comments

morris1105 votes

Elo hell exists, and noone can deny that. The problem is with people who use it as an excuse to stop improving, thus becoming part of it themselves.

sobi99910 votes

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Elo hell exists, and noone can deny that. The problem is with people who use it as an excuse to stop improving, thus becoming part of it themselves.

Well said!

Unreformed Shaco23 votes

But to say you can't climb out of it is wrong.

I was once one of the "cant climb gg shit system cant carry these noobs" but learned to improve.

SzGamer2276 votes

^ This.

More people need to realize that climbing isn't about how well you can carry a heavy team, it's about managing how heavy you are in the games you play. Being able to carry a team that's playing poorly helps, but you can lighten your load by avoiding being the heavy player that your team has to carry. Heavy players just don't climb.

If you don't take personal responsibility for your MMR, you're going to fixate on the games you did well and blame your heavy teammates for your loss, and you're going to disregard the games were you did poorly and blame your teammates for your shortcomings.

blueberrypancake5 votes

I disagree

I've been silver 2 every season since 4, and this year i got placed bronze 1 and one tricked Katarina and within 3 weeks of playing only about 100 games I'm already in my promos to silver 2 with almost every game I had on Kat I was capable of carrying almost every single game maintaining a 73% win rate across about 25 games.

Ad Vitam Aeterna8 votes

No one can deny it? Lmfao, how about all the streamers who carry out of low elo with ease? How about the boosters? How about those of us on here who have gotten their smurf accounts up?

The only time I struggle in silver is when I haven't played there in awhile and have to change my mindset/playstyle. In plat I'd rely more on my teammates for help, after a couple games in silver I realize I have to take everything into my own hands, then I start winning a lot.

MadManApocalypse12 votes

That's because those streamers are always TIERS higher to begin with, often times they'll be playing with a friend as well.

However the problem is if you're say, maybe a Silver 1 amongst silver 4s' then you'll have trouble climbing, at no point in time though will you be put against teams with higher overall skill ceilings to improve your play. Maybe that silver 1 will eventually become gold 3 level, but is still with silver 3s'. This is what ELO hell is, being stuck in a place where you cannot improve no matter how you try, it's all about hoping you get a good win streak to be chucked back on a stable path.

But heres the thing, streamers are NEVER in elo hell. Why? They'll do a few matches the MMR is noticeably higher and they get put on teams that are stacked in favor.

Prozzak4 votes

So Elo hell is essentially being stuck where you deserve to be? If you are close to your best ranking you should take a while to get there, thats how the system works and shows it is working correctly.

Roaranor6 votes

I like to think of "elo hell" as this awkward middle ground that's just above your skill tier, but much lower than your potential tier (where you could end up after dedication and self-improvement).

Let's take MadMan's example. Let's assume you're Silver 1 and you're constantly matched with Silver 4 players. Let's also assume that you all belong in your respective tiers. You want to improve and climb, but you're finding it really hard. Why? Because while you may not play at a gold level yet, it's drastically harder to improve your own gameplay when you're playing in an elo lower than your own because chances are there aren't very many players who will punish your mistakes the way that a gold 5+ player would. You don't have to do anything special to do well vs a lower elo player, that's why you're where you are. But at the same time, you're not high enough skill level to actively carry your team, much less if you're on a team that refuses to work together or makes the game unnecessarily harder (int, afk, highly toxic to the point where they tilt others, etc). But how can you improve when you're only going against players who are worse than you?"

That's what elo hell is. It's being "too good" to get a meaningful challenge from your games, but not good enough to compensate for the disadvantages you're queued into (high death ally lanes, int, afk, etc).

That isn't to say that you can't improve in this "rut zone" so to speak. You can work on cs'ing, roaming, grouping, objective control, managing your own lane (a bit harder bot lane as solo), etc. But at the same time, you won't be able to improve in the same capacity as if you were constantly playing against people at your own skill level or higher.

Speaking personally, the largest magnitude of improvement to my gameplay was in late season 3 when I started Ranked and early season 4 when I took it seriously. I climbed straight from bronze to gold and maintained a relatively nice win rate. Most games were either against other golds or plats lanes where I was actively punished for mistakes like overextending or not itemizing against the enemy comp to the point where I took it to heart, and learned from my mistakes. From there I spent the next two and half seasons playing mostly normals with my bronze and silver friends. Had good times, but also racked up a bunch of terrible habits because there was no one to punish me. I could do these things and get away with them, so I eventually starting doing them more often. Fast forward to season 7 where they reintroduced solo/duo Q and I decided I wanted to start actively climbing again but it feels almost impossible because of the awkward area I'm in. I go 8-2 in placements, place Silver 3. Dominate my games and skip S2 going straight to Silver 1 after series. From there it was hell. My games leading up to promos are mildly engaging at best, a dirt stomp (easy) at worse. Soon as I get into promos the teams go from low-high silver to gold/plat/diamond and I'm heavily punished for every little move to the point where I get flat out shitted on. I 0-3 my placements, and the games go right back to being really easy until I get to promos and lose them again. Some were to afk/ints, but the majority were just me flat out sucking in comparison. My winrate tanks from 87*-90% to like 51-67% and my MMR tanks to a point of stagnation (into the rut zone), and I just kinda shoot craps until I'm lucky enough to break into gold where I'm actively challenged enough to begin improving at a decent pace again. I finally hit gold in Flex (cause I wanted the double Gold +rewards), and now I'm going through the exact same thing in Solo/Duo.

It feels like shit from start to finish. At some point I was Gold 1 in plat promos (games 4 and 5 both had at least one afk), but now I'm struggling through Silver 1, wondering if I was ever really better than this.

EDITED: for typos

Unreformed Shaco20 votes

No, you just got worse.

A single plat player can certainly carry most of their games in bronze.

The only difference between a silver one trick and a plat one trick is knowing how to use the advantage they create.

Silver/Bronze players think the most important thing is a good KDA, rather than objectives or farm.

Meteor Driz10 votes

{quoted}

No, you just got worse.

A single plat player can certainly carry most of their games in bronze.

The only difference between a silver one trick and a plat one trick is knowing how to use the advantage they create.

Silver/Bronze players think the most important thing is a good KDA, rather than objectives or farm.

But i know all of these things and it doesnt matter lol it makes absolutely no difference

Unreformed Shaco6 votes

Yeah.

I knew that dragon was important. I knew that farm was more important than chasing kills. I knew that warding was essential.

Doesn't mean I subconsciously acted on it.

Everyone can answer a questionnaire about how to win games, but only decent players regularly do them without prompt. That's the difference. You can ask a silver team what to do after they ace the enemy, and they will answer "Baron or push". However, 90% of games they will ace the enemy and go farm chicken camp.

Carrying isn't about getting a high KDA or outperforming your opponent, cause I can say I would get my ass handed to me by a lot of silver one tricks. Carrying is about LEADING your team.

Think about it like a shepherd in a farm. Anyone could walk into the pens themselves and cry that the noob sheep don't follow. What makes a shepherd a shepherd and a carrier a carrier, is their ability to lead others to make the right decisions.

Meteor Driz44 votes

{quoted}

No, you just got worse.

A single plat player can certainly carry most of their games in bronze.

The only difference between a silver one trick and a plat one trick is knowing how to use the advantage they create.

Silver/Bronze players think the most important thing is a good KDA, rather than objectives or farm.

I'll go things like 21-13 or 29-8 with 90k damage delt and be begging my team to go for objectives to no avail, im just one person and you cant control anyone but yourself. sometimes you get a good comp and smart people, sometimes you dont.

thats why it doesnt matter

Unreformed Shaco6 votes

13 deaths is too many in all honesty, it means you aren't playing safely or going for objectives.. You are probably doing reckless shit like diving the enemy towers.

Usually you just spam ping dragon and start it until your jungler comes.

I also usually say "If I die while I am doing dragon because you didn't come I am going to afk."

Usually works.

Built to Tylt33 votes

Spoken like someone completely ignorant of the low ELO scene.

There are players that will BACK or go FARM (a lane, the jungle, any thing) rather than push an objective after acing or clearing any threat.

'Free dragon/turret/inhibitor? Fuck no, I'mma go farm!'

I don't think you fail to understand how stupid people really can be in this game. Rather, I think you are denying that they are that stupid. Make a dummy account, spectate some Bronze/Silver games. People really are that dumb and mindless here (ELO Hello)!

Unreformed Shaco7 votes

I play in Bronze/Silver quite often on an alt account. I also started out in Bronze season 2/3, silver 4, gold 5 and plat 6/7.

I can honestly say my champ micro skills were much much better back then than they are now, but overall.

Some people are too dumb to carry.

HOWEVER, you can carry most teams, and you when you win more games than you lose, you climb.

In hindsight, playing on NA was a bit painful in those earlier seasons.

Papa Andrei3 votes

Have you tried this season? Its alot harder to solo carry nowadays.

Gregor Gysi6 votes

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Spoken like someone completely ignorant of the low ELO scene.

Nah, I've stomped myself through silver on my smurf, if you deserve plat then you should just roflstomp everything on your way to high gold.

AMYS GRAVE8 votes

When 4 of your teammates go to kill the split pushing graves as the enemy walks over wards on their way to baron what do you do?

I really think you're underestimating the stupidity of silver and the variance in skill in teammates.

Gregor Gysi11 votes

Yes, it's true that some games are just impossible to carry. But the thing is, the enemy team is (in average) just as stupid as your teammates. That means (in average) you will have 4 bonobos in your team, they will have 5. Assuming that you aren't the bonobo yourself, of course.

That means over a decent amount of games you HAVE to climb - unless you are not better than your teammates.

Cosnirak5 votes

But the thing is, the enemy team is (in average) just as stupid as your teammates.

But the average doesn't decide a game. The difference between the teams in a particular game does. And rarely are they close enough to each other that you as one player are the difference. The averaging out effect just means players don't go into huge streaks often. ELO hell isn't where you get the worst team every time and drop a bunch of tiers. It's where you go nowhere in the long run, but most games feel like stomps, one way or the other.

It's especially bad wherever lots of people are currently being placed who don't distinguish themselves one way or another in placements. The system can't tell the difference between a player who deserves bronze 1 and a player who deserves gold 3 very well at all in just 10 games. It tends to place them both around the same rank, so games around there suck. Where most people get placed shifts over time as the season goes on (typically slowly rising over the year), but there's always a clumping area slightly above where the real baddies are dropping to who were placed a little bit ago, and that is ELO hell headquarters.

Gregor Gysi1 votes

{quoted}

But the average doesn't decide a game. The difference between the teams in a particular game does. And rarely are they close enough to each other that you as one player are the difference. The averaging out effect just means players don't go into huge streaks often. ELO hell isn't where you get the worst team every time and drop a bunch of tiers. It's where you go nowhere in the long run, but most games feel like stomps, one way or the other.

You gotta look at the big picture: you can't win every single game, but if you are better than the average at your current elo you will eventually climb, it's inevitable.

Cosnirak3 votes

You gotta look at the big picture

First, I already did as I clearly explained. Second, no I don't. Third, the big picture isn't useful here. Any individual player never plays enough games to gain the benefits of the average. The average is all players together, not one of them. What good is the average to me if my games are less lucky than the average?

if you are better than the average at your current elo you will eventually climb, it's inevitable.

No, it isn't. The game is 5v5, not 1v1. If you play just one game and are clearly the best player in that game you can absolutely still lose without it being your fault. Repeating the process by playing more games doesn't magically fix that. Flip a coin 100 times and it will most likely not come up heads 50 times and tails 50 times. Even if the odds of heads was 55% and tails 45% tossing it 100 times could absolutely result in 30 heads and 70 tails.

Throwing around the word "average" a bunch doesn't bend reality to your will, sorry.

Gregor Gysi1 votes

First, I already did as I clearly explained. Second, no I don't. Third, the big picture isn't useful here. Any individual player never plays enough games to gain the benefits of the average. The average is all players together, not one of them. What good is the average to me if my games are less lucky than the average?

You certainly have enough games to experience the average. I take it you are not familiar with random experiments?

No, it isn't. The game is 5v5, not 1v1. If you play just one game and are clearly the best player in that game you can absolutely still lose without it being your fault. Repeating the process by playing more games doesn't magically fix that. Flip a coin 100 times and it will most likely not come up heads 50 times and tails 50 times. Even if the odds of heads was 55% and tails 45% tossing it 100 times could absolutely result in 30 heads and 70 tails.

And how likely is that?

Throwing around the word "average" a bunch doesn't bend reality to your will, sorry.

You ignore the reality. You are not the 1 in a million who is just that unlucky. Also, are you familiar with boosting? They have no trouble with unlucky teams.

Cosnirak4 votes

You certainly have enough games to experience the average. I take it you are not familiar with random experiments?

Are you serious? You think a few hundred is enough to be a "large number?" No, just no. Nothing about that works.

And how likely is that?

It doesn't matter how likely it is. What matters is that if you play that scenario out across millions of players many of them are going to have that kind of result, even if it's only a fraction of the total. You can't discount the experience they go through as non existent just because it isn't the average.

You ignore the reality. You are not the 1 in a million who is just that unlucky.

But it isn't 1 in a million. It's more like 1 in 50, or even more common than that.

1 in a million is more like going on a 20 game losing streak despite playing well the entire time. And even then, there are millions of players... 1 in a million is something that happens to several people a day in League.

Revelstoke3 votes

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Yes, it's true that some games are just impossible to carry. But the thing is, the enemy team is (in average) just as stupid as your teammates. That means (in average) you will have 4 bonobos in your team, they will have 5. Assuming that you aren't the bonobo yourself, of course.

That means over a decent amount of games you HAVE to climb - unless you are not better than your teammates.

Please stop posting this oversimplified bad math.

With leagues amount of players there's going to be 3 groups of players Group A is the average it gets the 45/55% split you mentioned. Group B are lucky, they get only 30% of the trolls/feeders/afks Group C gets shafted, they get 70% of the trolls/feeders/afks

There are MILLIONS of players in groups B and C.

And saying "decent" amount of games, well that's just lazy, 100's, hundreds of games are needed before you start seeing these averages, there's going to be a lot of people in group A, who are just having bad streaks of 10/20/30 games.

Gregor Gysi8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Meteor Driz,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zWHEfq0A,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2017-02-06T08:59:52.293+0000)

I'll go things like 21-13 or 29-8 with 90k damage delt and be begging my team to go for objectives to no avail, im just one person and you cant control anyone but yourself. sometimes you get a good comp and smart people, sometimes you dont.

Nah. You lose your lane all the time against low silver players, stop the excuses.

Also, you die all the time. You got in average like 8-9 kills and 8 deaths and a ~2 KDA. Your DMG per death is super low and your overall impact seems to be low considering how you lose all the time. You deserve silver and unless you change your attitude you will stay there.

Troll for Trump3 votes

Stop looking at KDAs. Only silv/bronze care about KDA right? Stop using KDA as indications of anything. You have games that you're 8/1 or that you're 1/8. It doesn't matter. If you're Darius, your KDA is just naturally going to be 2ish. It's the same in any rank. In fact, it usually ends up getting LOWER for onetricks as they go up in rank

Gregor Gysi7 votes

He claimed that he'd go 29-8 and similiar all the time so I just wanted to adress that. KDA isn't that important indeed, the number of deaths, however, is. When you die it's usually due to making a mistake and having such a high number of deaths indicates that he get's punished for mistakes very often - 2 leagues below what he thinks is his actual elo.

He dies often and got nothing to show for it: not many kills, not a lot of damage and most importantly, not a lot of won games. My point is simple: he is stuck in low silver because he plays like low silver - thinking otherwise would be lying to yourself.

Prozzak5 votes

You average over 8 deaths per game in your last 20, over 7 deaths per game on your most played champ. If you die that much you are not "carrying". If you consistently are getting that many kills and not winning then you are not converting those kills into what matters (aka objectives) you are simply running around looking for kills which anyone can do.

It seems like you just got to the point where you expect to be handed plat, didn't get it handed to you and are now resorting to calling it elo hell.

Martensitic1 votes

You are wrong, but hey, you got downvoted so who cares your post anyway ^^

Unreformed Shaco3 votes

I like the part where you explained why you think I am wrong.

Martensitic1 votes

I don't need to, for the same reason why I don't have to explain that gravity is a force of attraction.

AMYS GRAVE2 votes

If someone asks you to explain your position, and you just straight up refuse, you automatically lose any debate. if you're not even willing to talk about your position beyond stating it then keep you mouth shut.

Martensitic2 votes

I talk for as long as I want, and here is the thing: ** I don't care wheter or not you think I lost this argument.**

He is the one getting 10+ downvotes on his above post, not me. This is not about convincing one guy, or two guys, this is about convincing a MASS of guys.

That's how politics work, that's how discussions on the internet work. I thought after your last presidential election, you would have figured that out :D

AMYS GRAVE4 votes

This is not about convincing one guy, or two guys, this is about convincing a MASS of guys.

And how are you going to convince anyone of anything if you don't even try to make an argument. You're just posting ""you are wrong" without any context or explanation. Make a point or you're just making ignoreable white noise.

I thought after your last presidential election, you would have figured that out :D

And the most recent US presidential election (i assume is what you are referencing) isn't exactly an exemplar for intellectual debate, and should not be used to justify your inability to make a point.

Martensitic1 votes

Still didn't catch the drift?

You don't have to make an argument these days. You only have to play to what people WANT to hear :D That's why this is so easy for me :D

And the most recent US presidential election (i assume is what you are referencing) isn't exactly an exemplar for intellectual debate

And internet discussions are? :D :D :D

I can make a point any time I want. I could use case studies like ops post. I could point out the skewed distribution of players in ELOs as compared to previous seasons. I could point out the amount of games lost with one player having 5 lvls below team average is higher this season than in any previous season (its amazing what you can do with the op.gg statistics API)

I could do much more to prove my point. But the beauty of internet discussion is: I don't have to.

Bye. I let you have the last word, I know how important the illusion of "winning" an argument is for you :D

Skins Project2 votes

And yet despite your "Amazing" ability to play what people want to hear, take your own advice, and along with it a down vote.

Martensitic1 votes

Wow, a single downvote.

*gasp*

Its masses. Its statistics. Its politics. You may think your downvote does anything, or stops anything. It doesn't.

Those who speak with one voice lose. Those who speak with a thousand win :D

You are dismissed.

Skins Project3 votes

And those who speak with their own but assume they have the thousands, die alone and hated.

"You are dismissed"

woodvsmurph13 votes

I was bronze first year in ranked, then solid mid tier silver until they moved the servers to Illinois last year. Then I climbed to gold 4 before dropping back to bronze thanks to 2v8 placement games. You can and will climb eventually... it just takes infinite games of losing to people that are 1 or 2 ranks below your skill because the rest of your team is 1 or 2 tiers below you in skill and decision making. You will prob at least reach gold by end of season... but literally it will take until end of season. Just get used to every post you make on boards being written off and made fun of no matter how intelligent it is since you are a silver noob who knows absolutely nothing about the game this year. Trust me, I've theorycrafted naut top and morg support and frozen mallet aa junglers well before they were meta, but no one believes bronze trash could think of something so op (when it was/is meta) on their own... clearly i stole it from some YouTube vid or streamer who stole it from Korea even though my match history of playing it in said role/build shows I did it well before any such vid existed. But aside from that, just try to enjoy the little things in the matches... even when your 4/0/0 main can't carry early/mid game fights because... teammates. And if your teammates are open to listening, offer some basic advice. Plenty of people in silver apparently have no clue a support sona shouldn't blindly go solo to ward enemy jungle when her team is all in base and the enemy team is fed. If you tell them, there is always the small chance they actually listen and improve... giving your team somewhere above a 0.00000000% chance of winning.

CancerBasedGod12 votes

The AFKs aren't the worse, you haven't Tariced in bronze. They dodge your ult. They dodge the invuln and die. They contribute about as much as an afk but tilt you so much worse.

Clear Authority6 votes

https://gyazo.com/2c1be2483ead4b73d38e577fd5c82b3b you average 10 deaths a game in low silver LOL, and you were plat V 0 lp that isnt really plat

Hige5 votes

I feel you -.- I ended up in gold 1 during season 5 and climbed to plat during pre season, then on season 6 I went down hard until I hit silver 4 and managed to climb to gold 5, but now oh man... I'm forever stuck in silver 4 :S it doesn't help that I'm an adc main I guess and the role is heavily thrashed right now but oh well

devdev4635 votes

I dunno man I've played down there on my smurf. It's a complete clown fiesta. I've won games easily playing velkoz jungle, and got extremely fed playing ap garen. They make so many mistakes down there you can do literally anything and carry single-handedly if you're good. The notion that you get more bad players on your team than the enemy team is nonsense, everyone is bad down there. If you are good and the rest of the 9 players are all trash then you will definitely win a majority of your games with enough games as a sample size. Sure there could be days you get like 10 games where all 4 of your teammates afk at 5 minutes but that isn't indicative of anything and you shouldn't use it as such.

the weeaboo4 votes

-- Log Entry 236 --

It seems that I have been in Bronze for a season and a half. And I have realized something. There is no mercy here. I am an ADC main, and this place is unforgiving. I do zero damage to tanks. I get a Garen or Lux support nearly every game. In the game where I do not get a troll support, I am faced by Yasuo or LeBlanc. I know in my heart there is no escaping being two shotted. Not even Edge of Night can save me now. I will go on winstreaks into my promos. Rito places me with 30% winrate players in my promos only. I know I will lose both of them, tilt, and drop back to 10 LP. There is no end to this cycle. I look in every direction and all I see it darkness. May the void consume me.

Laser PP Razor3 votes

You absolutely have to Duo. That one person you can rely on to at least NOT FEED will make all the difference in a game that would previously be unwinnable. (i.e. all 4 of your teammates feed.)

MFTORANK13 votes

People can say whatever they want I don't care, I know it exist. Last season I got to gold 2 easily, this season after 200 games I'm stuck in silver 2. I don't what it is but I can't climb and I rarely see gold players too. It seems like most people are around silver 4-5 or bronze 1/2 mmr in my games. I'm not trying to brag but out of my last 10 games I won lane probably 8 times. The games aren't as fun either, I'm matched against a silver 5 player in lane when I used to play against high gold/plat players, of course I'm going to win lane, but I don't have the skills to carry 4 low silver players.

I've tried pretty much everything, comfort picks, cheesy picks, tanks etc.. but no matter how well I do I can't climb, I'm stuck. Always going back and forth between s2 0lp and s1 promo. If anybody has any idea about what it is I'm doing wrong please let me know lol !

Psybicilin3 votes

Taking a look at your op.gg shows that you changed your champion pool dramatically. Maybe if you go back to playing champions you are comfortable with and shrinking your champion pool, you can climb a lot easier. I'm not saying that everything is your fault, but the amount of deaths you have in games you lose is quite high. I understand games can be chaotic, but dying 13 or 15 times in a single game is pushing it.

Meteor Driz3 votes

{quoted}

Taking a look at your op.gg shows that you changed your champion pool dramatically. Maybe if you go back to playing champions you are comfortable with and shrinking your champion pool, you can climb a lot easier. I'm not saying that everything is your fault, but the amount of deaths you have in games you lose is quite high. I understand games can be chaotic, but dying 13 or 15 times in a single game is pushing it.

Yeah I definitely noticed that about myself as well. In the beginning of the season I was playing my mains and getting super fed as always and then consistently being unable to translate those leads into victories. Even being really strong I've never felt so powerless to contributing toward winning on those champions before. So I began to look for answers elsewhere within different champions.

The deaths is definitely something to work on. I try to stay proactive when we are losing games and still try to trade objectives and win other ways to win rather than forcing team fights or simply relying on picks. This often doesn't work out well but sometimes it's, in my mind, the best chance to make a comeback when you just don't have the vision control for picks.

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Plat for 3 seasons - Can't get out of silver this season
Gameplay141 comments
56
votes
There is no way promos use the same matchmaking
Gameplay23 comments
48
votes
Welp, I quit.
Gameplay37 comments
36
votes
Coin-flip Simulator - 3 years of plat but I can't get out of silver
Gameplay64 comments
30
votes
League, I loved you. But its over now.
Gameplay35 comments
29
votes