Assassins

Lugg··3 votes·887 views

First off, this isn't a troll post just to piss off assassin mains. That isn't my intent. Please actually read the entire post before replying and reply with good arguments not the QQ you just suck posts.

Having played over a thousand games at this point, it is painfully obvious that Riot needs to do something about the assassin class. They either need to be converted into mages or fighters or they need to nerf/rework the entire group. The assassins role is to take out carries, but when you have every assassin in the game able to delete tanks 100-0 before they can even get a chance to itemize, you have a problem. I see it happen in over 90% of the games I have played and watched. Assassin gets early kill, snowballs out of control, then completely dominates until very late game (which usually doesn't happen since the game usually ends before that point). I see this at pretty much every level of play except the very highest since they actually know how to not feed and get quality assistance from their team.

I always hear the CC argument. When you HAVE to use hard CC to stop a group of champions, that group is broken and that's why there is so much toxicity whenever the class is discussed. Of course CC works. It works on EVERY class, but other classes can be beaten in more ways then just CC.

For example, if an assassin is going to beat a tank, the assassin should have to go in and do their burst. Then retreat/kite away to wait on cooldowns, then re-engage to finish them off. If they just stand toe-to-toe with the tank, they should lose every time since the tank should always win the war of attrition with steady damage over time and high defenses. Unfortunately this isn't the case in the vast majority of match ups. If they are facing a carry like a mage or ADC, the assassin should be able to 100-0 that carry if they perform their combos correctly. That is their role and it's the tank/support role to peel them off to keep the carry alive.

So, in conclusion, I think Riot needs to find the spot where they can kill the carry in one engage but not any of the other classes. I think that would bring more balance and fun to the game. Thanks for reading and as always, constructive feedback is always appreciated.

36 Comments

umbraˉ6 votes

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They either need to be converted into mages or fighters or they need to nerf/rework the entire group.

Stopped reading there

Absolutely not

fuck no

Lugg1 votes

LOL, I asked for the whole article to be read and you didn't even make it past the first paragraph. You didn't want to hear any point of view other than your own. Good job.

Apex Liar4 votes

When an assassin 100-0's a tank (which seems where most of your frustration is) that means he was super fed just like you said. But if the adc gets fed, he will 100-0 anyone as well. Its part of the game and that is something you have to deal with. Sometimes the assassin gets fed and sometimes they don't. Assassins btw, fall off late game, late game is usually when everyone has a full build. Zed will get countered by qss/zhonya's at that point, carries will buy GA to deny resets, upgraded red's will be ready for akali. If an assassin is fed, you counter them and it's super easy to counter them.

Lugg1 votes

I agree that an ADC will kill off someone just as easy. However, there is WAY more counterplay against ADCs than there is against assassins.

Assassins do fall off late game, but the problem is that you usually don't make it that far before they kill your Nexus.

Apex Liar1 votes

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I agree that an ADC will kill off someone just as easy. However, there is WAY more counterplay against ADCs than there is against assassins.

Assassins do fall off late game, but the problem is that you usually don't make it that far before they kill your Nexus.

Not exactly, ADC are countered when they are caught out. Assassins usually have some sort of mobility (and defensive items) so if they do get caught out they can get out. ADC's however, tend to not have a lot of mobility and if they get caught out they will most likely die. So they rely on a tank line to peel for them, this all simply revolves around team communication and is exactly why we need voice chat in League.

Blame Riot

Lugg1 votes

I totally agree with you on the voice chat. It would solve lots of problems.

The Tilted King1 votes

well. i get it, but this isnt the case for all tanks.

just like all champions, counter picking (anyone even know what that is?) can decide whether or not this kinda thing happens for example, Talon cannot kill DrMundo Katarina cannot killSkarner (not easily anyway, she will probably die)

theres matchups. there are tanks who have ridiclous high sustain who can survive a burst rotation (DrMundo will regain more hp than you can even take there are tanks that just cannot die Sion or will kill you even if you do

other than that, if an assassins ONLY kill was on the adc.. then well shit, whats the point. anyone can kill the adc (i mean honestly, anyone) no one can do it as "sneakily" i guess, but if an assassin was to only kill the adc and or mid carry than.....what would really be the point. I mean...that just seems useless to me. you kill one champion and leave making it a 4v4 anyway and taking away both sources of the highest damage (ideally) out of the fight. ofc that depends on team comp and whos doing well etc etc.

assassins are fine. for the most part they do their job perfectly. they punish anyone outta formation.

Lugg1 votes

Once the ADC or AP carry is dead, it's 4v5 and you have won the teamfight 95% of the time. If you don't win the fight at that point, you deserve to lose. That is the whole point, the assassin took out the priority target and won their team the fight.

Mundo and Sion are very difficult to kill once they get their items, but an assassin can kill them before that pretty easy. I have seen a Talon kill a Mundo and it was a 2v1 where the Talon was the one outnumbered! Granted the Talon was pretty fed, but still.

Even if Kat can't kill him, she just flashes away and goes to heal most of the time.

NemeBro1 votes

I play tanks pretty often.

I've never been 100-0 by an assassin that wasn't way more fed than I was.

I've proceeded to win lane against Katarina, for example, even after accidentally giving her first blood as Cho'gath.

I did the same to a Zed as Mordekaiser (and Mord isn't even really a tank).

Lugg1 votes

I have had it happen to me several times. I just had a game a few days ago where I was jungle Volibear with cinderhulk. I was 4/2/6 and the Zed was 6/1/2. It was about 20 minutes into the game. We both fought in the river 1v1 and he went toe to toe with me and won with over 20% of his health left. I hit him with smite (which reduced his damage), ult, and every ability I had. There wasn't some great outplay or anything, just a straight up win. This is a pretty common occurrence from what I have seen.

NemeBro1 votes

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I have had it happen to me several times. I just had a game a few days ago where I was jungle Volibear with cinderhulk. I was 4/2/6 and the Zed was 6/1/2. It was about 20 minutes into the game. We both fought in the river 1v1 and he went toe to toe with me and won with over 20% of his health left. I hit him with smite (which reduced his damage), ult, and every ability I had. There wasn't some great outplay or anything, just a straight up win. This is a pretty common occurrence from what I have seen.

He probably also had more farm than you did, since going by your score he was stomping lane.

Also, he didn't 100-0 you then. 100-0 typically implies bursting someone down in a single combo, think the Annie R-W-Q-Ignite combo. He just beat you in a duel. A Zed who is doing quite well beating Volibear in a duel sounds basically reasonable to me.

I've killed quite a few Zeds who were about as fed or even somewhat ahead of me as Renekton or Darius, however.

Lugg1 votes

Great point on the farm, I didn't look at that.

I considered it a 100-0 since he killed me in like 6-7 seconds. Which is pretty quick IMHO.

Ren and Darius can kill him much easier since they have life steal and and execute respectively.

SwiftKitten881 votes

Nidalee is an assasin. she CANNOT do shit vs tanks or burisers. and yet she gets nerfed because mages and adc's cant be bothered to step half in inch either side

the only thing nid had vs tanks with a % health on traps that they had to STEP ON. and riot took THAT away. this pretty much makes nid (pre nerf) the ONLY healthy assassin... now she is just weak

Lugg1 votes

I guess having an ability on a 6 second CD that takes away 50% of a mage/adc health isn't OP. And you can't dodge it the majority of the time if it comes out of the brush. Then she just jumps on you and you die. Plus let's ignore the fact that she is IMPOSSIBLE to catch. So if she gets in trouble, she just bounds away. She is plenty strong against the champions she should be.

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

she is so op go play are and collect your free elo brons scrub

Godhri1 votes

It should be obvious that an assassin who is fed would be able to 100-0 a tank who is underfed or not fed.

Lugg1 votes

They do it if even if the tank is fed! It's insane.

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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They do it if even if the tank is fed! It's insane.

That's mainly AD assassins being able to kill tanks and not assassins in general. I personally never liked the idea of an AD assassin since in addition to their abilities doing damage, their auto attacks do too.

Lugg1 votes

The AP ones actually are worse than the AD ones. It is easier to itemize against AD than AP.

jDVL20eCYs1 votes

DONT CRY ABOUT MY AP ASSASINS PLEASSE GO PLAY THEM IF THEY ARE SO FREE ELO; BUT O WAIT THEY TAKE LOTS OF SKILL NAD HAVE CLAER WEAKNESS PLEASE FUCKIG STFU. I GUESS YOU CRY ALL DAYOVER EKKO THATS NOT EVNE RELEASED

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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The AP ones actually are worse than the AD ones. It is easier to itemize against AD than AP.

All tanks build HP with 1 MR item, that is actually enough for a Kat/LB to not reliably kill you with 1 rotation, where as Zed doesn't care and borks+auto attacks you regardless of your HP+Armor.

Lugg1 votes

It would be interesting if someone ran the numbers comparing the AP and AD assassins damage vs armor and MR.

BluePolarizer1 votes

The only assassin/fighters are actually pure fighters. Tryndamere MasterYi Fiora Riven Yasuo

Guess how much they get whined about?

Lugg1 votes

Because they are assassins. That is the point that I am making. The entire class is toxic as hell. I just think there has to be a better way is all.

BluePolarizer1 votes

They are not assassins as how I see it. All of them are mostly sustained damage.

Lugg1 votes

They all snowball extremely hard and have great burst due to the critical strikes. So that is why I consider them assassins. I just think they need a slight nerf to either their damage or tankyness. Then they would be great IMHO.

BluePolarizer1 votes

How do you nerf their tankiness?

The reason they aren't assassins is because they aren't slippery like real assassins. Zed Fizz Leblanc are pretty much untouchable if played right, not only in lane but most importantly, in teamfights. Riven is very hard to gank, but in teamfights she can be CC'ed and shut down easily. It is much harder to CC a Fizz, LeBlanc or Zed.

Sure, I get the whining about actual assassins like Fizz Leblanc Zed but fighter/assassins are actually some of the worst champs in the game - the only thing they're good for is stomping solo queue. Pros (diamond isn't pro btw, being paid for playing league is pro) don't touch them ever.

Lugg1 votes

Trynd and Yas get played by pros. Just saying.

Elven Warrior X1 votes

Stop whining. Assassins don't need to be reworked. I like my rengar able to insta gif and adc

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