Loving these "BUFF FIORA" threads

Lugg·Aug 8, 2015·93 votes·7,151 views

The new Fiora has been out TWO DAYS. Why don't you actually try learning to play her (which will probably take at least a week) before even thinking about commenting on whether she needs buffs. I know you Fiora mains are used to a low skill champion that you can faceroll with, but it's time to step up and learn to play like the rest of the player base.

EDIT: So far it seems that the majority of responses are saying that her CDs need lowering/adjusting and that her ult may be too hard to pull off reasonably. The longer people have played her, the better the responses are getting, which was my initial point.

169 Comments

NERDSMASHER5001Aug 8, 201521 votes

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it's time to step up and learn to play

http://i.imgur.com/eaInhvN.png

ready when you are

Dan DragonswordAug 8, 20159 votes

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http://i.imgur.com/eaInhvN.png

ready when you are

LMAO I thought I was the only one.

DalaninAug 9, 201518 votes

Riot said she is in a bad spot right now and they're planing on buffing her... So i don't get this thread Edit: Found out you haven't played fiora yet, shame on you op. PBE Tester here

LuggAug 9, 20154 votes

I think you are missing the point of my post. When a champion is reworked, you have to re-learn how to play them. This takes time. All I'm asking for is that people wait until they get the new Fiora down before passing judgement.

It would be the same for any champion rework. That's all I'm saying.

LankPantsAug 9, 20158 votes

You should actually try playing her.

It's incredibly hard to have any sort of an impact, your damage is way lower than other carries if you build squishy and if you want to be tankier there's just no reason to pick her over Irelia.

Literally all she has that's really worthwhile right now is her ult heal, but even that has major problems as well as a bug where the ult sometimes decides not to work.

She's definitely in need of some buffs right now, comparing her to GP who had a reasonable, just below average win rate isn't really fair. She has a 36% win rate right now, the lowest in the game and comes in low on the majority of metrics. Most alarmingly she has a very low gold per game, which shows that she's too easy to bully around in lane and simply lacks any form of fall back.

AzraphBelzieAug 9, 20154 votes

Thank you for saying intelligently what needs to be said. I want to believe but I feel forced to build all tank and she scales AD and at the end of the day what she "brings" is better brought by any other top choice. I honestly believe any other top is better then Fiora atm.

gubigubiAug 9, 20152 votes

Whats bad Is I think they wanted to push her into mid lane more with this update but she is even worse in mid lane than she was before from what I have played so far. You just get bullied out of lane with low cd poke and auto attacks. On old Fiora you would hit level 2 and blow other mid laners up with Q aa Q aa while using your lower CD riposte to block some of the harass. AND her jungle is worse than it was before but at least her supporting is viable now...

AzraphBelzieAug 9, 20152 votes

She needs to jungle if they want you to be more "team fight friendly". She does not have hard cc just slows, so she is not idea for it. The biggest problem is top lane needs to be ok being alone top, and your ulti now is completely dependent and only useful for a team effort. HUGE CD on her riposte means they just cc you then cc you again in 6seconds. She is bullied by any range and can't close. They are going to completely remove the tank meta with the next patch so she'll feel completely useless in a world full of AD carries and assassins and burst mages.

EvilRabbittAug 8, 201513 votes

My friend we have a slight problem. Old Fiora was not faceroll. Or no skill. If I played against any non-Fiora main (I loved her free week when it happened), I can get ungodly fed. Unskilled/faceroll means player knowledge of champion workings is no different for mains and non-mains. And as I stated in another thread, she had a combo that determined if you knew how to play her or not (hint, very few did). I do agree, she needs a bit more time HOWEVER- meddler has already stated incoming buffs.

Hp per level up Ad per level up Lunge cd reduced Ripose cooldown earlier ranks reduced

And these all make sense, Fiora was supposed to be roughly as dominate as Darius in lane and 1v1s. And that's why people died repeatedly (and I assume you as well, from the tone of your post). They'd try to fight her one on one and lose more often than not, then they'd feed her a couple of kills and try to 1v2. Then they'd feed a lil more and go 1v3, which was the deciding point. She wasn't "no skill/faceroll" but more of "that idiot fed me, time to get rolling". Still, as I said we need a bit more time to determine what all she needs. Final note though, I like the light additions Meddler is making to her- it's a good way to test how strong she can get, so long as when he finishes changing her and she becomes op (lets face it, its gonna happen. its a yasuo thing all over again) that he just reverts instead of guts. Most Fiora mains who were in it for "le freelo" have left already. If they gut her, the rest of us will probably hop off too.

tl;dr- long post but: A) Meddler has confirmed pbe buffs, B) she wasn't faceroll, and C) she needs more time before we claim her viability is yay or nay.

DropFillAug 8, 20157 votes

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The new Fiora has been out TWO DAYS. Why don't you actually try learning to play her (which will probably take at least a week) before even thinking about commenting on whether she needs buffs. I know you Fiora mains are used to a no skill champion that you can faceroll with, but it's time to step up and learn to play like the rest of the player base.

Maybe low skill, but faceroll? only noobs She is bad and need buffs

Heckin SupportAug 8, 20152 votes

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Maybe low skill, but faceroll? only noobs She is bad and need buffs

Her power moved from cheesing early game to mid game. She is now a part of the "I can 1v1 you pretty easily but I don't really do well in teamfights" club. Much like LeBlanc (IMO) she's more of a "I'm gonna pick you off" type of champion.

DropFillAug 8, 20153 votes

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Her power moved from cheesing early game to mid game. She is now a part of the "I can 1v1 you pretty easily but I don't really do well in teamfights" club. Much like LeBlanc (IMO) she's more of a "I'm gonna pick you off" type of champion.

Her laning phase is terrible, don't know what you talking about

Knight SoIaire Aug 8, 20154 votes

i think that she is closer to being op than up ... but i didnt test everything i want to test yet

Dan DragonswordAug 9, 20153 votes

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i think that she is closer to being op than up ... but i didnt test everything i want to test yet

Trust me, her abilities look good on paper they look REALLY good. But she's weak REALLY weak.

LuggAug 8, 20156 votes

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She is bad and need buffs

Are you talking about old Fiora or new Fiora? I was saying that old Fiora was no skill.

OrangesilkAug 9, 20155 votes

I find it funny to see a bronze 5er talk about no-skill.

SymbolicFearAug 9, 20152 votes

I know right, the bronzeness is strong in this one

The LovelessAug 8, 20157 votes

Her normal skills make her great. Her ult is situational, and most time it feels like it's not even worth using. Her teamfight got way worse. The only plus is that you can ult a low health target and q to proc one side of her passive before they die.

Otherwise lol you're not hitting four marks in tea fights.

LuggAug 8, 201513 votes

I can see where hitting the 4 marks in a teamfight can be hard. I think it would be cool if the marks rotated around the champion during the ult continuously. That way they would all be facing her at one time or another.

SaiannaAug 9, 20153 votes

I think it would be cool if the marks rotated around the champion during the ult continuously.

I think you should learn how to play reworked Fiora first, before deciding. It'll take you about a week, then make a buff Fioras ultimate thread :P

Whoever downvoted me is not a smart person. It was irony.

SymbolicFearAug 9, 201511 votes

I mained fiora, and was very skeptical about this rework IMMEDIATELY after seeing her new ult.... it just doesn't belong in her kit. It doesn't fit with her as a champion, and it needs to be redone from scratch.

SaiannaAug 9, 20151 votes

I was never Fiora main. Tbh i didn't even enjoy playing her, cause for me she was like reworked Yi (when AP Yi was in his prime). And i do too didn't enjoy PBE changes on her and few other champions.

Anyways.. My post was a sarcasm towards OP, as he stated that we should wait with their opinions & buff threads, while he himself posted some (not bad) idea on how to make Fiora better :)

LuggAug 9, 20152 votes

Sarcasm is fine, but the big problem I see with her ult right now is that you have to possibly get out of position in a teamfight to get all 4 marks.

ArødAug 9, 20152 votes

Zed Tryndamere Vladimir Elise if you miss her ult that much just play these guys and we all know you want the old one.

MalzaharAnyLaneAug 9, 20152 votes

Thiiiiiiiis. So much this.

The Q changes feel terrible too, the range has been effectively halved early game.

SymbolicFearAug 9, 20154 votes

Actually, I really like the changes to her Q, W, and E... It gives her a lot more outplay potential and a skilled player can use these three abilities to great effect. Especially since her q dash can go through walls for chases.

EvilMerodachAug 9, 20155 votes

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Her normal skills make her great. Her ult is situational, and most time it feels like it's not even worth using. Her teamfight got way worse. The only plus is that you can ult a low health target and q to proc one side of her passive before they die.

Otherwise lol you're not hitting four marks in tea fights.

Sorry, but..going all grammar nazi on you. ;)

http://www.cr-cath.pvt.k12.ia.us/lasalle/Resources/8th%20Websites%202013/Josh%20Sophia%20Brylie%20Nicole%20Rev%20War/Sophia%20Maher%20Rev.%20War/images/boston-tea-party-3.jpg

Edit: Actually probably not even grammar nazi...typo nazi? Is that a thing?

Editedit: On actual topic- I feel like the ulti is somewhat like post-kill cooldown reset meditate on MasterYi or Darius R, like, the heal on the ultimate is a 'reward' for killing someone, not really useful to kill them, unless you're tank busting. But can be used in a fight you've already won just to get the heal down, so that you'll have enough health to move on to target number 2.

Baby GhoulAug 9, 20156 votes

I don't know how you could even possibly defend those cooldowns, but okay.

I don't care how many new enemy Fiora players went 23/0/4 against you in bronze.

Telling people who have played Fiora for years that they miss how "easy" she was, is not only insulting, but it shows where you're at and that you aren't nearly as knowledgeable about this game as you think you are. Playing Fiora past bronze was far from easy. A funny thing happens when you start getting matched against high silvers and golds, they realize that she's a glass cannon. They knew not to feed her a few times early game, they knew shutting her down gave her no chance at a comeback. They knew not to crap their pants with her ult, and to be scared of QAAQAA instead. They knew a locked down Fiora = a dead Fiora. If she ulted during a team they knew to blast her off the map the moment she landed, no matter how much she healed. They knew not to stand under the turret when they have 1/4th HP left, and they're squishy to top it off.

When people stop making these silly mistakes, it becomes incredibly hard to play against as her. It's even worse when she's countered, which she frequently is in ranked. She was just high DPS carry, so if you were against a tank with CC, then there wasn't anything for you to fall back on. It became a fight to stay alive. Her entire game relied on her getting her damage items before anyone else, and that's incredibly stressful in ranked. I admired the players who were doing well with Fiora past silver. It takes a lot of skills to pull off melee ADC plays against skilled players that outclass you in everything but damage the majority of the time. I certainly struggled with that, and I saw other Fiora's fresh out of bronze struggle through the same.

Now on to her rework, many Fiora players love this rework. It's exactly what she needed. People always wanted Fiora to become a strong and reliable pick. The feast or famine thing just does not work after a certain point. Her gameplay has so much potential, and so much more depth than before. It actually has a lot of things in it that Fiora players were asking for. Soft CC, situational hard CC, and enhancing her whole duelist aspect because before she was pretty much an assassin with weak sustain. It's a great time to be a Fiora player for the majority of us, and we even have a skin coming our way.

There are a few things that are making her gameplay clunky, and right know the unreliable AoE heal is not enough of an incentive to choose her over other bruisers like Irelia and Riven. They are simply stronger picks, and we want Fiora to still be competitive. It seems pointless to take away her hypercarry potential only to make her a sub par fighter. These are very modest tentative buffs they are taking to her, because it's obvious to a lot of people that she has the potential to be strong, but her gameplay needs to be smoother than it is.

Nothing is wrong with people discussing possible buffs to her, especially when it's so obvious that Riot was a bit more conservative towards her than past releases, and you know what? That's great. I'm glad they went the modest route, and now it's time to talk about how we can make her worthy of her rework after we waited so long for one.

If you don't want to be part of that discussion you're more than welcome not to be. I don't even know why some of you are taking this approach. She's never going to be how she was in lower elos, so you really don't have a lot to worry about either way.

JariAug 9, 20155 votes

Remembering Ryze rework, everyone called him useless. Then a week passed and everyone screamed how broken he was and riot released something toxic in the game.

DurzakaAug 9, 20157 votes

Umm no.

Ryze WAS trash when his rework came out. Then they buffed him so that his level 16 power spike was at level 6 instead. Which broken him instantly.

Dont pretend it is a similar case. Even if I think fiora is fine right now.

AbyssphereAug 8, 20154 votes

Agreed. I tried her out in a bots game and did terribly (which is when you know there's a problem - failing in BOTS) but the thing is... I'm absolutely certain the problem is on my end. I was terrible with her. The difference in performance between a player as bad as me and a player who's actually mastered her would be astronomical, so me calling for buffs would be stupid.

1999 01 17Aug 9, 20154 votes

so what? people knew veiger was turbogarbage like 5 minutes after his rework

Sethiroth24Aug 9, 20154 votes

First off new Fiora is trash if it takes you a week to figure out how good or bad she is or isn't then there is something wrong with you. As soon as I saw the rework I said to myself well the new passive will be good the new q will be good the new w is ok but based almost totally off of prediction not skill outside of things like morgana bindings. If you stopped something like a malph ult then you made a lucky prediction. Then I saw the cool down and thought that needs to be lowered. The new e is ok but is weird .

The new ult is trash outside of the heal witch to get seems totally dependent on teammates helping you pull it off and even then very situational and countered by so many champs. I started to think about how many and its a lot just to name some of worst ones Akali Azir Ekko Elise Fizz Janna Kalista Kayle Leblanc LeeSin Lissandra MasterYi Poppy Rengar TahmKench Talon Tristana Vayne Tryndamere Vladimir Zed that's just the worst ones. In what world could you ever complete your ultimate against any of these champions 1v1 making her almost totally reliant on her teammates with cc and then I thought to myself what ult in the game is worse than this one and I could not think of one the closest I got was Yorick Taric considering how countered her ult is and then I thought it... This is the worst ult in the game and also my least favorite, nor does it make sense. All this I concluded before she was released. I know that some people wont agree with me about her ult being the worst in the game. To them consider the following.. How many champions counter this ult seriously think about it. how long it takes and how much danger you have to put yourself in to pull it off, how much time enemies are given to react to it, how easily kited new fiora is, how many walls there are to stand by to hide the marks. To me her ult isn't based off the person playing her as much as it is off the enemy player you are targeting give it some thought.

I went to test all this out, played her 7 times to make extra sure and guess what my predictions were who would have guessed spot on. Let me make another prediction, you got shat on by old fiora and didn't know how to play against her and got all butt hurt so you decided she was op went online to look at what other people were saying and found all the bs about her being op and cancer to the game and that her ult was uncounterable. So you became a hater of Fiora and will do almost anything to see her stay in the trash.

It was almost unanimous among high ranked players that she was trash and easily countered. She was considered a nub stomper. With that let me make some more predictions. 1 you are a nub witch from what iv seen in the comments your in bronze 5, if you own a bronze 5 account you are a nub sorry but its true. If you own a higher ranked account then why in the heck did you use this one to post this? Which in itself makes me question your intelligence. that brings me to your comment about old fiora being a no skill champion and your insult towards people playing her having no skill.

I don't play ranked outside of ten games I played to get into silver. Even being in silver which gives me almost zero credibility I would never be stupid enough to insult people based on there skill with a champion or how much skill a champion requires to play. I am not saying I wont comment on how much skill is involved to play certain champions you can do that but its stupid to insult a large group of people. I don't care what champion anyone plays or how easy and strait forward their kit is. To me how to be good at league is based outside of actual champion mechanics like the skill of good decision making, game information, basing your play style and build around what the enemy brings to the table, vision and wards, shot calling, timing, adaptability, champion targeting, and so many other things. this is way to long so I'm done, sorry if iv hurt your feels. Think before you speak, consider the other side, and learn from your mistakes.

HorrowAug 9, 20153 votes

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The new Fiora has been out TWO DAYS. Why don't you actually try learning to play her (which will probably take at least a week) before even thinking about commenting on whether she needs buffs. I know you Fiora mains are used to a no skill champion that you can faceroll with, but it's time to step up and learn to play like the rest of the player base.

So how silly do you feel knowing that Riot admitted they were being too cautious with Fiora and are now planning to buff her? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out when a champion like her is too weak or not.

stevedoesmcAug 9, 20153 votes

i absolutely destroy her in lane now no matter who i use

MLDzXnRRRAug 8, 20152 votes

I was expecting Fiora and GP to be broken like release Ekko , but they are actually balanced (someone could even say that they are weak)

DropFillAug 8, 20154 votes

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I was expecting Fiora and GP to be broken like release Ekko , but they are actually balanced (someone could even say that they are weak)

They are really weak

LuggAug 8, 20151 votes

It's going to take a couple weeks for people to learn them and their counters before we really know how balanced they are.

DarkSoul66Aug 8, 20156 votes

Have you even played new FIora yet? If you did you would know how insanely crappy her ult is. It seems good on paper. But when you try to execute it in game. It takes much to long to do even if your somehow amazingly skilled with her already. Hitting all 4 of those R, auto's is quite difficult and next to impossible in a team fight.

UltraSceptileAug 8, 20151 votes

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Have you even played new FIora yet? If you did you would know how insanely crappy her ult is. It seems good on paper. But when you try to execute it in game. It takes much to long to do even if your somehow amazingly skilled with her already. Hitting all 4 of those R, auto's is quite difficult and next to impossible in a team fight.

A champion with an extremely high reward also has high risk and is difficult?

Gee, what a shame.

Dan DragonswordAug 9, 20155 votes

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A champion with an extremely high reward also has high risk and is difficult?

Gee, what a shame.

Lmao high reward? what's a fed Fiora gonna do? Tap Lunge and 1 vs 5 the team? If That's your mindset please DuoQ with me and carry me to Diamond.

PoskeAug 9, 20158 votes

high reward? LOLOLOLOL

EvilRabbittAug 9, 20152 votes

"Enjoy your aoe heal, and good job on hitting those vitals. Oh wait, you procced it as a finisher? Even better. Just enjoy the heal." Take the risk out, and you lose 75% reward. However, it is so much more effective. We need some kind of ultimate that's better- akin to Riven's..... inb4 downvotes for using her name.

Serious note- was thinking Riven shaped ult that acted as a pseudo-execute: Silence targets for 1 second (before you argue, check blitz. before you argue that, build him ap. before you argue that, don't feed.) and do %maxhp-true damage (vital scaling) that increases by 1% for every 5% of enemy hit's current hp. Great as an opener, fantastic ult. Thoughts?

Dan DragonswordAug 9, 20152 votes

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I was expecting Fiora and GP to be broken like release Ekko , but they are actually balanced (someone could even say that they are weak)

Balanced champions don't get played in competitive or SoloQ

XeroKimoAug 9, 20152 votes

I don't want her buff, I just want some changes that makes her less reliant on using q to proc her passive, and make her passive less buggy, I find it sometimes I Q and I'm in the right direction but it doesn't proc, or auto attacking sometimes does the same.

Also I want some kind of change to her ult, it just doesn't really feel like an ultimate

Wiz Kalista 666Aug 9, 20152 votes

She has a big lack of strength in early game, which leads her to weak late game if she gets rekt.

SoMNiaAug 9, 20152 votes

Well, buffs are planned anyway, as seen here:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/BJ6Jdwut-minor-fiora-buff?comment=0001

So...yeah. Her new kit is fun, but I've only played a few times, and if they feel she's a tad on the weak side, I won't argue.

rG ThundragAug 9, 20152 votes

I faced a couple of Fiora(s) Garen they kept countering my q so I just ended up never using it until spin is over so either they parry the q then get ulted or just get silenced and then ulted. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

For CarthageAug 9, 20152 votes

She's a fantastic duelist. Lives up to her name.

She's trash in a team fight. No bulk and minimal survivability now ensures that if she's focused at all she'll be dropped. Combine that with the fact that she has to bury her face in an enemy to do anything, and you've got a terrible 5v5 champ.

Not bad 3v3, great in dominion. But you'd have to find people who legitimately care about those two.

ClerilAug 9, 20152 votes

She definitely needs her Q on a lower cooldown. Her ult as it stands will only get off by her own sheer force (meaning they don't die) after 16 seconds with no CD.

Even with CD you're talking 8 seconds to get off 4 lunges.

What other ult takes that long to setup?