If people want the meta to move away Marksman in the botlane...

Mister Support··9 votes·930 views

Then be accepting of more than just Ziggs. Right now this change in meta is working because early-mid game is far more impactful than late game. Before, Marksman were seen as necessary because of late game's importance. Marksman had the highest damage late game and were a sort of insurance policy. Now that it's much easier to snowball and end games faster once you're ahead, that insurance policy is less valuable.

Marksman were also necessary for one other goal, they were quick and safe with taking towers. Ziggs is also a great substitute for that which is why he works so well in the lane. But here's the thing. Counter match-up for bot lane will no longer be dependent on the carry if this continues, but rather the carry-support synergy.

Say one bot is Ziggs Karma

A bot which would do really well in lane against this would be Leona Mordekaiser with their insane all-in potential.

However, the bot lane which now has early game advantage is lacking tower taking abilities which will be needed elsewhere if you want to win.

So the message here is, communicate in champion select what picks are needed if you want to break meta

9 Comments

khorney1 votes

eitehr the all in or zyra and ez some one who pokes.. out poke them and ziggs will run out of mana rather quickly

100HorsePower1 votes

I would love to see this, I am really bored of the stale ADC/Support meta. Seeing more diversity in bot lane match ups would be awesome and open up some awesome combos. I especially love Lissandra / Zilean since Zil has medium range and does not need farm like Lissandra does with her Q. please the Double Bomb Stun and Frozen tomb would instantly DELETE an ADC in bot.

Teémò1 votes

I'm all for out of meta, but the other day I got a Trundle bot lane well playing support. Thought he was swapping with quinn top, but nope so I went top well he spammed toxic messages with his duo mid. xD

MohawkBird1 votes

I'd say Ziggs only works because of his passive and W passive allows for taking towers so fast. The only reason marksman are mandatory is because of their strong tower pushing abilities, and less for their late game DPS because it rarely ever gets to super late game.

Problem is their are no other mages that push towers like Ziggs does. I would've said Azir, but ever since they nerfed his W on towers anymore it's nothing really special. I'd be willing to bet if he didn't get that nerf we'd see him in bot lane as well.

Yago1 votes

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I'd say Ziggs only works because of his passive and W passive allows for taking towers so fast. The only reason marksman are mandatory is because of their strong tower pushing abilities, and less for their late game DPS because it rarely ever gets to super late game.

Problem is their are no other mages that push towers like Ziggs does. I would've said Azir, but ever since they nerfed his W on towers anymore it's nothing really special. I'd be willing to bet if he didn't get that nerf we'd see him in bot lane as well.

Twisted Fate, Heimerdinger, and Azir all take towers as fast as, or faster, than a Marksman.

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

Remove marksmen so my darius ADC mordekaiser ADC bot lane can come to fruition.

Also, my darius ADC rammus support.

Spice POWAH1 votes

I was watching Doublelift's stream yesterday and he lost to Pantheon bot one game and Viktor bot another.

Cowseed1 votes

I'm in bronze atm. Down here champ select isn't used for strategizing. It's used for picking and banning whatever YouTube says is OP.

Zherron Vorse1 votes

or yasuo ..... ... Praise Teemo

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