Can we stop having teams matched with players entire elo tiers apart?

Mister Support·Jul 22, 2016·79 votes·3,661 views

In mid plat, there's been way too many games where there will be players ranging from Plat 1 to Gold 5 (last game had one person gold 3 and another plat 1). Believe it or not, there's a big disparity in skill difference with ranges like that, and it can make certain lanes or even the whole game turn into a stomp fest that isn't enjoyable to play through. Hell just had to experience having a mid-gold on my team face against a high plat on the other team in lane and he ended up being 0/5 by 8 minutes, and it was in a match up he should have won. Yes this is a bit of an anger rant but having this big of a disparity should never happen.

Edit: I'm talking about ranked games

68 Comments

ImTheRealGnarJul 22, 201613 votes

I feel you bro, my recent games ranking has just been a shit show. Went against plat 2-5s even though I'm just gold 4.

Vistha KaiJul 22, 201612 votes

"But muh 50% winrates!" ~ Riot 2016

http://i.imgur.com/5It82u4.png?noredirect

Fuck your 50% winrates.

VoidStaresBackJul 23, 20162 votes

Okay to be fair, outside the plat and silver all of those players were about the same level, this game can't really be blamed on the ELO difference given that everyone was demolished on blue team except you on cassio, including the gold players. In fact, behind you, the silver Braum had the best KDA ratio on the team.

Vistha KaiJul 23, 20163 votes

Well, if you go with average ELO, yeah, both teams were about equal.

Except the fact a solo Plat 5 is for some reason matched with a premade with average ELO of Gold 5/Silver 1 and another solo that's Gold 4, but only until that game ends (Sion gets demoted).

CoffeeDaveJul 23, 20161 votes

I had this happen to me last weekend.

https://s32.postimg.org/x5hpxmcad/Whats_MMR.jpg

Vistha KaiJul 24, 20161 votes

Completely nothing wrong here, people. Move along.

5050BSJul 25, 20161 votes

Yep Riots stupid math thinks because you are Plat you can carry a Silver in a upper Gold match.

If you guys were DQ then maybe but SoloQ Nope.

RattyZJul 22, 20168 votes

I am in Gold II and just got grouped with Silver IV and Silver II and I players...and I was playing Support.

it was the most god awful experience, I had forgotten what a terrible decision making nightmare Silver was. It's killed my mood for the day, as this has given me sufficient tilt to stop playing League for the next couple days.

ESPECIALLY if I'm on support. For the LOVE OF THE GAME stop putting the highest elo player on the position where they can do the least for the game. It's INFURIATING to watch every single carry go 0/4/0 in lane by 8 minutes because they're matched up against a player a full tier higher than they are.

Pale PirateJul 23, 20162 votes

And that's the real reason why supporting sucks.

AptestJul 23, 20161 votes

I am a low silver support player.

very often I am being put into a match where both teams are bronze 2, broze 3 and bronze 4, aside from both support players who are silver 5 or bronze 1.

in about 70% of my own games, I am the highest placed player on my team, and the opposing support is the highest placed player on his team.

Silver 5 games are noticeably better than bronze 2+ games. The players make better decisions, control the characters better and outright do not derp as much. To be put into a game much lower than my own rating is annoying at best, and most of these games are not fun for me.

I am certain that for a gold support player, having me on the team is just as aweful.

Both of us go to ranked to get good matchmaking. With players at our level who make an honest attempt at winning. Having to play in a game that is, me and the opposing support aside, a whole bracket below us is annoying and at least for me, it happens a lot.

EDIT: gee riot thanks a lot i write this and the next game is bronze 4s and 5s all around. I was so happy the enemy midlane decided to afk and we had a nice remake.

J4 Ulted MexicoJul 23, 20161 votes

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I am a low silver support player.

very often I am being put into a match where both teams are bronze 2, broze 3 and bronze 4, aside from both support players who are silver 5 or bronze 1.

in about 70% of my own games, I am the highest placed player on my team, and the opposing support is the highest placed player on his team.

Silver 5 games are noticeably better than bronze 2+ games. The players make better decisions, control the characters better and outright do not derp as much. To be put into a game much lower than my own rating is annoying at best, and most of these games are not fun for me.

I am certain that for a gold support player, having me on the team is just as aweful.

Both of us go to ranked to get good matchmaking. With players at our level who make an honest attempt at winning. Having to play in a game that is, me and the opposing support aside, a whole bracket below us is annoying and at least for me, it happens a lot.

EDIT: gee riot thanks a lot i write this and the next game is bronze 4s and 5s all around. I was so happy the enemy midlane decided to afk and we had a nice remake.

Could just be your low MMR... or their high mmr.

AptestJul 23, 20161 votes

I thought that might be the case,

but if that was the case, than I would consistently be put into bronze3-5 games.

What happens in reality is that most of the games are bronze1->silver5, where everybody is b1->s5. Once every 4-5 games there is a bronze3-4 game where everybody in the game is b3,b4. Unlikely that there are a lot of players with "large" (more than one full bracket) miss-matches between mmr and league.

so your theory isn't supported by what is actually happening.

MissFishbonesJul 23, 20161 votes

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I am in Gold II and just got grouped with Silver IV and Silver II and I players...and I was playing Support.

it was the most god awful experience, I had forgotten what a terrible decision making nightmare Silver was. It's killed my mood for the day, as this has given me sufficient tilt to stop playing League for the next couple days.

ESPECIALLY if I'm on support. For the LOVE OF THE GAME stop putting the highest elo player on the position where they can do the least for the game. It's INFURIATING to watch every single carry go 0/4/0 in lane by 8 minutes because they're matched up against a player a full tier higher than they are.

Um nobody forced you to go support? "Stop putting higher elo in support position" if u put fill thats your own fault

AptestJul 23, 20162 votes

you are missing the point.

the point is, he got put into a game with a bunch of players that are considerably below his level.

as a result, the game sucked for him.

it is not about playing support; it is about playing with really crappy players (relative to his level). He played ranked and expected to get a good (as good as he is) team on both sides. He got crappy teams on both sides.

and the game, because of this, sucked.

nice tableJul 22, 20167 votes

i mean a plat 1 can play premade with a gold 5 so theres nothing really to be done about that as long as dynamic queue is a thing hue

Summonerrr 1Jul 22, 20165 votes

Yep. A system that assumes every INVIDIVIDUAL on a team is equally skilled based on the wins/losses the TEAM gets TOGETHER is intrinsically broken.

That's like saying because you have a phenomenal baseball pitcher (Doublelift Vayne ADC) that consistently pitches no-hitters that your shortstop and left fieldsman (Bronze/Silver Mid and top, let's say) are the same skill level as the pitcher.

No.

ChaoticPineconeJul 22, 20165 votes

No, its more like if you have a phenomenal pitcher youre balanced out by a mediocre shortstop. Its just that the enemy team can have a phenomenal shortstop with a mediocre pitcher, or a team of all solid players with no standout all American.

But the nature of the game and the different roles means that one has a higher impact than the other. A no-hitter pitcher is always going to be preferred over an amazing shortstop, just like having a hard carry on your team is will win more than then having a challenger support.

MFTORANK1Jul 22, 20164 votes

This happens at low elo too and trust me this shit is frustrating, its even worse in silver because people think this game is a TDM and will ignore objectives 75% of the time

SpoofghoulJul 22, 20167 votes

but it's easy to get out of

you have the option to play ''outside'' of the game

for example i would grab Heimerdinger item 3512 item 3060 item 3116 and splitpush all day untill no towers are left

with something like this you have the options to push anywhere on the map at anytime send ur banner minion bot ur zzrot mid and push top urself for example

somethings gotta give somewhere thats where you grab turrets, you kinda want tp for this with maximum summoners cdr

you avoid fighting all you do is siege towers, people come after you your team follows them you tp to the other side of the map and push there

let the rest of your team play TDM while you afk splitpush to victory

SidestepJul 22, 20163 votes

You mean like this? (Overlook the win lol) http://i65.tinypic.com/v2s11j.png

2050 mmr was the avg for that game Plat 3 is like 1800...

warpenguin555Jul 22, 20162 votes

been getting matched up with plats a ton recently. im fucking bronze 2. Riot needs to take a look at their match making system, because something seems a bit off. hell there are pre- 30 players being matched with high elo players. something is off

1wolfpackJul 22, 20162 votes

if your talking about normal games, then their rank doesnt matter. and nothing will change.

if your talking about ranked games then u have a good point. to add, riots match making/ranking system is "stupid"

AldapsayarJul 23, 20162 votes

started LOL recently. Could you plase explain, why rank doesn't matter in normals? I just always scout the enemy and warn teammates when they have someone one league upper as opponent.

MicbranJul 23, 20162 votes

They might not be playing their main role/champ, probably aren't tryharding, etc.

MeurtrierrJul 23, 20161 votes

When ever i play normal, i pick heroes i don't feel good with in order to play with them on rank later on. I will never try a new hero on rank, never. As for heroes I feel really good with, i don't play with them on normal.

So rank doesnt really matter in normal in that sense.

1wolfpackJul 23, 20161 votes

you could be a masters player in ranked, but you haven't played normals in years. all of a sudden u play normals. you will get matches with and against people of all different ranks as well as unranked players.

because you get matched by you MMR where your ranked MMR and normals MMR is based on your games played in those specific game modes.

hope that helps

oSEXYPLATYPUSoJul 22, 20162 votes

i agree with you completely. i dont play rank anymore , on my main account i got to silver 4 last season with playing a total of 14 games of rank. i got on secondary account of mine which is lvl 30 with 207 wins no rank games at all. i was matched up against a diamond adc, 3 gold and a silver. how is that fair mmr making? needless to say i got crushed and rightly so not being a diamond player. the game wasnt enjoyable or fun. i tried. i stayed even in farm with the enemy adc and i did ok til i was getting 4 man dove under turret in lane. it was clear they were a premade. worst part this was a blind pick normal game.

rollyaJul 23, 20162 votes

i think this happens because some people are still trying to find their real rank. so even tho a guy might be in gold 1 he has been playing consistently at a plat 3 elo. also if you havent noticed yet a lot of people are where they don't belong so someone might be boosted to high gold but his consecutive wins makes him high plat.

Troll for TrumpJul 23, 20162 votes

Not even just one elo tier apart... I'm gold 5 and I got paired with a Diamond..

FakerrJul 23, 20162 votes

http://i.imgur.com/NhwYTrY.png?nondirect

TELL ME ABOUT IT! Just look at what I had to go through

MeurtrierrJul 23, 20161 votes

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http://i.imgur.com/NhwYTrY.png?nondirect

TELL ME ABOUT IT! Just look at what I had to go through

Wow, this is just weird.

BeoridasJul 24, 20161 votes

to be fair thats a normal game. MMR is different for these.

Pale PirateJul 23, 20162 votes

Obviously it sucks, but people need to learn to tilt less and keep their cool. Usually, when a lane is being stomped, another lane is winning, and these two balance each other out in mid-late game.

Pierce The VealJul 23, 20162 votes

It's been a problem since duo queue, but yes, I agree. A plat one duoing with a gold 5 doesn't balance out. At some elos it's weighted towards the higher tier completely carrying (ahem Master queueing with diamond), and at some elos it's the other way around.

RozairJul 23, 20162 votes

im plat as well. i feel as though this is where all the boosted players end up.

morris1Jul 23, 20161 votes

Ah, yes. The people boosted to Dia V that got stomped 3 games in a row, demoted, and keep drowning in Plat divisions till they hit Gold 1 and get boosted again. It's like a looping cycle of lots of cash and time.

GamodJul 23, 20162 votes

Because the league system sucks, you are just climbing a ladder, a mmr, a score and that's where it gets boring, the LP is based on MMR ... people get frustrated and bored...and the fact we have a elo hell locks the player at that league instead of motivating his good plays or his consecutive winning streaks, he is just punished more and more for every loss... coz in the end its just a boring score. The game would become more fun if we had to match with people withing our league and see who advances week after week, based on the top positioning and number of games in the league that we are within....

league needs an improved league system, more centralized in a real league points, s and motivate more the consecutive wins and so on... we need more bonus points, less negativ impact, more positive impact... it needs to feel more like an amateur league in the same way as the pro league...

another thing league needs to fix... its boring to watch a pro league game play 3 games to win the daily match... it should be 1 and thats it... like football, basketball and so on... you never start the game 3 times to define the winners! you start 1 game with some breaks... league should be more about it... when went to seethe european finals... it got me really bored to watch the samething all over again... its like on repeat.... at the first game I was super excited, second game ok... 3rd game...super bored....

BlanchimontJul 23, 20161 votes

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Because the league system sucks, you are just climbing a ladder, a mmr, a score and that's where it gets boring, the LP is based on MMR ... people get frustrated and bored...and the fact we have a elo hell locks the player at that league instead of motivating his good plays or his consecutive winning streaks, he is just punished more and more for every loss... coz in the end its just a boring score. The game would become more fun if we had to match with people withing our league and see who advances week after week, based on the top positioning and number of games in the league that we are within....

league needs an improved league system, more centralized in a real league points, s and motivate more the consecutive wins and so on... we need more bonus points, less negativ impact, more positive impact... it needs to feel more like an amateur league in the same way as the pro league...

another thing league needs to fix... its boring to watch a pro league game play 3 games to win the daily match... it should be 1 and thats it... like football, basketball and so on... you never start the game 3 times to define the winners! you start 1 game with some breaks... league should be more about it... when went to seethe european finals... it got me really bored to watch the samething all over again... its like on repeat.... at the first game I was super excited, second game ok... 3rd game...super bored....

I do think that they need something other than their current ladder/mmr since they are treating premades the same as solo players. They're playing entirely different formats yet they are rated the same as others.

Actually, a lot of sports have these things called quarters and the best of series does the same thing. It's why there's games like chess where they play multiple rounds. The same thing applies to League.

5050BSJul 25, 20161 votes

Yep

Also LCS is BORING because we see the same champs OVER AND OVER AND OVER

Guess what Riot, THOSE ARE OP CHAMPS IS WHY THEY PLAY THEM. Nerf them of LCS plays them more 5 games

ZettoJul 24, 20162 votes

Yeah. Happened to me a couple days ago. Promos to gold 5, im in silver one, our adc is gold two. Frankly I'm rather annoyed at the fact that in order to gain entrance to gold 5 I have to deal with/against players that are in high gold.

Word of the LordJul 23, 20161 votes

The game experience this season has gone way down in general in my opinion. It seems that every single game is a stomp by one side or the other. There are precious few close games that are well fought. I might just play aram for the rest of the season. I get zero enjoyment out of the stomp fest that is ranked.

LatetotheRaceJul 23, 20161 votes

Welp, when a decent amount of players left the system has to try it's best. In short, rito dun screwed up. But seriously, there aren't enough players for ranked to make good matches right now.

Revert TalonJul 23, 20161 votes

My friend and I played a game a while ago (he was G5 at the time and i was S4) where the tiers in the game ranged from D5 to B2.

CerealBoxOfDoomJul 23, 20161 votes

increase your elo and you wont be an elo apart

Mister SupportJul 23, 20164 votes

If you're trying to say "git gud", then it doesn't apply. The problem has been getting low golds, and sometimes silver, on my team while the enemy get to keep all plats, or vice versa (I'm plat 3 rn) which makes things stompy.

Battlecast SonaJul 23, 20161 votes

ranked game matchmaking is decided by MMR, not rating. So if you've had a disproportionate amount of wins in comparison to where you are it's easy to have higher MMR than your division/league indicates, making games like this. Additionally players in their promos tend to get matched against higher tier players as well.

5050BSJul 24, 20161 votes

Ya and DQ messes this up so much. Duo bot lane can win a lot of games in low ELO then when they play soloQ they are total crap.

The MMR needs to look at three levels of play for each player.

10m into the game calculate MMR 20m into game calculate MMR Game ends calculate MMR

I will be smoking my lane at 10m I can be 7/1/3 at 20m I can be 10/3/6 but at this point laning is over and my feeding jungler and bot lane will make me die 8 times in the next 10m because enemy bot lane is soo fed and I cant carry three dead weight players.

So I end 14/11/10 and we lose to the 20/5/9 bot lane.

my support 1/11/6 My Jungler 0/8/3 My ADC 4/8/5

So the game called me lower MMR then I play. Some games you cant win with the team you have EVER no mater what.

GulmaJul 24, 20161 votes

plat 5. Having teams with/against people in mid silver, and low gold. Some of these players are really bad so I go and look at their profile and they are in silver. Not just on my team but on my enemy team too. It's not fun playing with OR against people that are not that good. I think it's because league is dying and they need fast queues or more people will quit.

I recently carried a game as support; brand support. I'm not talking about carry as in help or assist my team. No, I literally carried and ended up with the highest kills and damage. I looked up my enemy team and my team. Not surprising to find plenty of silvers.

5050BSJul 24, 20161 votes

IKR

DQ trash MMR 1200 Q qith MMR 1600 and the game thinks its a good match for 1300-1400

BlanchimontJul 24, 20161 votes

I think any disparity of more than 2 divisions (not tiers, divisions) is the maximum that there should be. That's a maximum of 300 (if 1 is at 0 and another is at 100 LP) and that is already a huge amount. Dynamic Queue is currently allowing for a difference of a thousand or even more (my worst is Silver 5 vs Plat 2 on opposite teams right now). No ranked game of any kind should be allowing for this kind of difference.