LoL should have at least one anti-mage

The Cane Master·Oct 9, 2016·1 votes·1,520 views

I honestly don't play DOTA, however I saw this concept there and realized that LoL doesn't have a single anti-mage champion in the game. I suggest that one is created in the future.

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Sahn UzalOct 9, 20165 votes

Isn't that kinda Kassadin 's thing?

RalanrOct 9, 20161 votes

And Galio. I don't think Veigar's ult scales with enemy AP anymore so he's no longer an anti mage.

D357R0Y3ROct 9, 20164 votes

people needs to know that anti-mage IS NOT AN ANTI-MAGE, he's just called like that because of his lore.

he counters low mana pool carries that needs mana like chaos knight, but: -can't do shit against huskar who doesn't give a shit about mana -can't do shit against mages like invoker who has 2k/3k mana.

the true anti-mage of dota is Nyx assassin.

MatezoideOct 9, 20161 votes

Kassadin is the closest thing to an Anti-Mage, and Riot considers mana burn to be "toxic" and "anti-fun"

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people needs to know that anti-mage IS NOT AN ANTI-MAGE, he's just called like that because of his lore.

he counters low mana pool carries that needs mana like chaos knight, but: -can't do shit against huskar who doesn't give a shit about mana -can't do shit against mages like invoker who has 2k/3k mana.

the true anti-mage of dota is Nyx assassin.

Also this. AM does a great job at deleting mana in the mid-game against mages when he is ahead, but Nyx Assassin is the real Anti-Mage.

Fuck Magic.

HorusEyeOct 9, 20164 votes

Wow, this thread just shows that Galio and even Kassadin are long forgotten by now...

The Cane MasterOct 9, 20161 votes

Both are not IMMUNE to anything, only have a kit that lowers the incoming damage, and only one type while at that, that is magic damage.

HorusEyeOct 9, 20162 votes

So technically, Kayle .

The Cane MasterOct 9, 20161 votes

Not really, Kayle only ults a single target. And while being immune to all spells in that period, it prevents death, but doesn't grant the ability to use the incoming spells back to the attacker(s). Scroll down a bit, I posted a bit more detailed description of the idea as a reply to DARKSLAYER85.

Billy VoHagenOct 9, 20161 votes

So, you just want the same exact hero put in League.

WeatheredOct 9, 20163 votes

Kassadin Galio Veigar ?

Darkslayer85Oct 9, 20162 votes

Galio

The Cane MasterOct 9, 20161 votes

Going to get reworked soon. Also he only lowers incoming magic damage by building magic resistance, he's not immune to anything, especially ad casters coughZedcough. I was thinking more of a mirroring champion, in that he has one basic ability that while channeling (for a brief period) he absorbs the ability and get's a free use of the same right after. Ultimate ability would be deflection and reflection of all incoming spells to his hitbox, which could get bigger by the same ability, or another basic ability. Third basic ability would be some sort of movement speed buff, or a dash of some sort, in order to get into the fray of spells being cast. I don't know exactly atm, but you grasp the concept.

ErockandrollOct 9, 20161 votes

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Going to get reworked soon. Also he only lowers incoming magic damage by building magic resistance, he's not immune to anything, especially ad casters coughZedcough. I was thinking more of a mirroring champion, in that he has one basic ability that while channeling (for a brief period) he absorbs the ability and get's a free use of the same right after. Ultimate ability would be deflection and reflection of all incoming spells to his hitbox, which could get bigger by the same ability, or another basic ability. Third basic ability would be some sort of movement speed buff, or a dash of some sort, in order to get into the fray of spells being cast. I don't know exactly atm, but you grasp the concept.

Never played Dota, so I wouldn't know the hero. But the mirror itself would be way too variable to be balanced in the game environment. especially in the sense that it would heavily counter high burst mages, and AP Assassins. (especially if it absorbs and ult.) Also, League isn't balanced around hard counters, so they wouldn't create such abilities that so easily counter another mage. It also appeared as if that anti mage had scaling off of enemy mana. The only champ that scaled off an enemy mages stats was veigar, but that got changed in the mage update.

Also, even though Galieo is getting reworked, chances are, they will keep his anti mage properties. (kinda his Identitiy) but again, even now, riot isn't going to make a hard counter, and even though Galieo has those proporties, he still can serve as a mage/tank hybrid. (Kinda like Cho'gath)

The Cane MasterOct 9, 20161 votes

The DOTa anti-mage manipulates opponent's mana to do damage. However I never really suggested that LoL anti mage uses mana as basis to do damage, especially since some champions use energy as a resource.

Need Gold 4 TentOct 9, 20161 votes

And when you pick this anti-mage champion in blind pick...

Enemies: LeeSin jungle, Renekton top, Akali mid, Shen support, Kennen ADC.

lol manabreak

MLDzXnRRROct 9, 20162 votes

Kassa was port of Anti-mage, but got reworked several times... Check also some of the versions of Veigar...

CerealBoxOfDoomOct 9, 20162 votes

why does league need this?

The Cane MasterOct 9, 20161 votes

I realized that spells as a form of damage are pretty uncounterable by everything except dodging. There is only one item (Zhonya's hourglass) and three spell shields (Morgana, Sivir, Nocturne). that negate spells. However no spells reflect the abilities back, that is use the blocked spell to do damage back or provide cc (Fiora does this actually).

RalanrOct 9, 20161 votes

Maybe you should have specified reflect damage back. Also dodging is such a universal form of counterplay that sometimes that's all it needs.

And the problem with an antimage is that very little stops them from being equally or more effective against bruisers or anything that isn't a mage in league because of how ability and mana reliant most champions are.

FatalitýOct 9, 20162 votes

Galio Kassadin - 2 Anti Mages

Need Gold 4 TentOct 9, 20161 votes

Kass not anymore. Scaling MR removed, silence removed, all he gets is a spell shield on Q cast which is... meh. Coulda given a true shield instead. Galio is the closest thing to an anti-mage left in LoL, and I don't think Riot will ever introduce mana burn back into LoL.

S0kaXOct 9, 20161 votes

Galio

The Cane MasterOct 9, 20161 votes

going to get reworked soon

mirAcIeOct 9, 20161 votes

Galio is an anti-mage champion

AhristocatsOct 9, 20161 votes

the real cool thing of Magina is his mana void, doing AOE damage based on the missing mana of a target. making it powerful against high mana pool heroes that waste a % of mana like storm spirit.

In league, not only there aren't %mana cost, but you would have people telling you "i used my mana and i'm punished" every other spells are already here, except mana burn because it would needs item rebalance to help you against it (dota2 has bkb and arcane boot against mana burn)

RequiemsfireOct 9, 20161 votes

Technically item 3048 and item 3043 have % mana costs to them.

CatastropOct 9, 20161 votes

Basically Kassadin and look how that turned out.

Pandemic PunchOct 9, 20161 votes

Urgot

RequiemsfireOct 9, 20161 votes

Chogath

Milodic MellodiOct 9, 20161 votes

Isn't Yasuo also an anti-mage? He deals high amounts of burst damage, has high mobility so that he can dodge skillshots, and has a wall that negates projectiles that most mages use. If that isn't anti-mage I don't know what is.

Meep ManOct 9, 20161 votes

We already have one: Kassadin

Passives makes him take a flat 15% reduced magic damage and his Q gives him a magic damage shield. His R makes it hard to hit him since Mages in this game often have skill shots, and his E is charged from spell casts. The only way he would be more of an anti-mage is if his W stole mana from his target, and that was removed because it didn't belong in League.

RequiemsfireOct 9, 20161 votes

Now that I think about it, wouldn't an anti-mage be a bit too polarizing?

The Cane MasterOct 9, 20161 votes

Yeah, now that I think about it too, yeah. But it would offer an unique ability to counter your mains just by knowing what they are going to do and when, like mirroring. It could be used a support, mid, even top against some casters (Kennen and Rumble are in meta).

Meep ManOct 9, 20161 votes

I'm surprised Kassadin Top isn't used as a counterpick to them. R out of both ultimates and use Q to shield against both of their abilities except for maybe Kennen's Q, but that's a skill shot and can be dodged. Galio would also be a pretty counter to Rumble.

EpicMusicOct 9, 20161 votes

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