I mean. You take EVERYTHING defensive away from adc as is. Can we maybe have this back so picking something like jinx or any hyper scaling champion isn’t a complete waste of time. Everything instant kills us. Everything. A late game ludens proc is doing like 1/4th of an adcs health. It’s rediculous.
Critmaster Garen5 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-01-09T19:59:58.189+0000)
Can we maybe have this back
steraks gage was never yours to begin with.
its a juggernaut item for champions who dont have range or mobility to dodge or dash out of shit like 
ults and similar abilities.
thats the entire purpose of the item.
its made for champions like 
and others who simply have no way to avoid fully channeld aoe ults in fights.
marksmen are supposed to die when they get caught, because thats the only counterplay they have. if they dont just blow up to everything in existence, they become impossible to deal with.
weve seen that at the hight of season 7 when they were killing absolitely everything and everyone and didnt even have to kite anymore because of massive shields layered on them making them immune to burst.
until marksmen get some sort of mechanical counterplay built into their kits, the only counterplay to them is strategic, by bursting them down. if you remove that, you break them.
The thigh guy2 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-01-09T20:28:06.371+0000)
steraks gage was never yours to begin with.
its a juggernaut item for champions who dont have range or mobility to dodge or dash out of shit like
thats the entire purpose of the item.
its made for champions like
marksmen are supposed to die when they get caught, because thats the only counterplay they have. if they dont just blow up to everything in existence, they become impossible to deal with.
weve seen that at the hight of season 7 when they were killing absolitely everything and everyone and didnt even have to kite anymore because of massive shields layered on them making them immune to burst.
until marksmen get some sort of mechanical counterplay built into their kits, the only counterplay to them is strategic, by bursting them down. if you remove that, you break them.
Oh? Does that mean we can make stormrazor ranged only? How about mercurial is range only? Oh oh oh. How about ga is range only. :D
Items can be prioritized towards one class. But no item is “made” for one class.
If that was the case hybrid scalings would never have been a thing. Gunblade would never have been made. Boots would be role locked.
As for their counterplay being “burst them down” your counterplay is flawed because there is no counterplay to it. Instant killing someone in itself lacks counterplay.
Not to mention the role has HARD counters in items. Thornmail, Randuins, frozen heart, any as slow ever. They sure can’t afford pen anymore so tank stats.
They HAVE to kite. So any soft or hard cc let’s you get on them easy af.
Oh oh oh. How about those tabi’s? That’s a nice chunk of reduction for EVERYTHING an adc does.
Critmaster Garen4 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-01-09T20:48:49.254+0000)
Oh? Does that mean we can make stormrazor ranged only?
the difference is that these items are not only made for marksmen, since there are melee carries in this game that are made to scale with critical strike.
even even though there isnt an efficient crit build for him anymore.
How about mercurial is range only? Oh oh oh. How about ga is range only. :D
same argument.
Items can be prioritized towards one class. But no item is “made” for one class.
steraks gage is. it is made for a very specific purpose, because juggernauts couldnt really function without it. however making it accessable to other classes can break that item on those champions.
were already seeing this happen on skirmishers like 
and others after they changed the item to grant bonus ad instead of total ad.
another item that is made specifically for a certain class of champions is 
for tanks for example. its active is designed to be dogshit on juggernauts and other melee carries, while useful on tanks who value utility and the window of survivability more than damage.
If that was the case hybrid scalings would never have been a thing. Gunblade would never have been made. Boots would be role locked.
this doesnt even make sense.
The thigh guy3 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2019-01-09T20:51:24.123+0000)
the difference is that these items are not only made for marksmen, since there are melee carries in this game that are made to scale with critical strike.
even
same argument.
steraks gage is. it is made for a very specific purpose, because juggernauts couldnt really function without it. however making it accessable to other classes can break that item on those champions.
were already seeing this happen on skirmishers like
another item that are made specifically for a certain class of champions are
this doesnt even make sense.
Dude. This is the most hypocritical response I’ve ever seen. XD
“Steriks is made for bruisers”
“Stormrazor (an item made specifically for Adc when riot FUCKED them) isn’t made for adc”
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-09T21:01:46.902+0000)
Dude. This is the most hypocritical response I’ve ever seen. XD
“Steriks is made for bruisers”
“Stormrazor (an item made specifically for Adc when riot FUCKED them) isn’t made for adc”
its not hypocritical, its a fact.
thats why steraks gage is melee only, and crit items arent ranged only.
there is a huge difference between general carry items for melee adc and ranged adc, and specific defensive items for juggernauts.
juggernauts need health + ad items to exist. marksmen dont.
The thigh guy2 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-09T21:04:27.171+0000)
its not hypocritical, its a fact.
thats why steraks gage is melee only, and crit items arent ranged only.
there is a huge difference between general carry items for melee adc and ranged adc, and specific defensive items for juggernauts.
juggernauts need health + ad items to carry. marksmen dont.
No. It’s not fact. If it as sterik would have been melee from the start.
There is litteraly only one item that is ranged only. And the only reason is riot wouldn’t know how to code it for melee.
Items are not made exclusively for one role. If that was the case items would be role locked.
Kai’sa would never have been able to build Zhonya.
Random scalings would never have been a thing. (Jhin ap scaling on trap, yasuo ap scaling on e)
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-09T21:09:11.004+0000)
No. It’s not fact. If it as sterik would have been melee from the start.
There is litteraly only one item that is ranged only. And the only reason is riot wouldn’t know how to code it for melee.
Items are not made exclusively for one role. If that was the case items would be role locked.
Kai’sa would never have been able to build Zhonya.
Random scalings would never have been a thing. (Jhin ap scaling on trap, yasuo ap scaling on e)
the only reason why steraks wasnt melee only from the start was because they didnt want to lock out melee/ranged form switching champions like 
and later 
(ranged champion who fights in melee) from buying the item, and they wanted to test if the item would be problematic or ok on them.
when they saw that adc began to buy steraks, and did become a problem, they made it melee only.
since back then the item has been buffed multiple times, and switched from a base ad increase to a bonus ad value. this would make marksmen with steraks even more broken than back when they put the melee restriction on it.
Hammermancer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-09T21:11:06.462+0000)
the only reason why steraks wasnt melee only from the start was because they didnt want to lock out melee/ranged form switching champions like
when they saw that adc began to buy steraks, and did become a problem, they made it melee only.
since back then the item has been buffed multiple times, and switched from a base ad increase to a bonus ad value. this would make marksmen with steraks even more broken than back when they put the melee restriction on it.
main here
can confirm steraks rework killed bruiser jayce two years ago because of 
and a few others building it
can also confirm adc itemization rebalancing also killed bruiser jayce when mallet was reworked to deal way less damage
can also confirm adc itemization rebalancing also killed bruiser jayce when the crit items changed
now i sit here waiting for 
Hammermancer3 votes
I never see any adcs build any of these items but yet always see them crying about getting 1shot
The thigh guy2 votes
Frozen mallet is too inefficient for a role that already had innefficiency problems. Maw is actual trash. 2900 gold worth of stats on a 3200 gold item with a passive that gets ignored.
Deathsdance does not stop damage. It converts it into true damage. Which means you actually take more damage.
Mercurial is probably the best defensive tool any champion can get. I buy it in most games and EVERY game with a champion made to lock down one target.
Phantom dancer requires you to get the first hit. Which is EXTREMELY difficult When (Insert assassin/mage here) kills you before your auto animation finishes.
Merc treads are ignored after pen is accounted for. And every mage build pen. Every mage. All of them.
Ralanr2 votesDeaths dance converts it to a slower bleed which you can outsustain.
Lhuhz1 votesYou should play more then LOL
MarkedOfKane2 votesADCs literally have an entire other class which is played by another player whos job it is to baby them for a good chunk of the game.
The thigh guy2 votesADCs literally have an entire other class which is played by another player whos job it is to baby them for a good chunk of the game.
Too bad that role is not exclusively to kill the other adc or roam sooooo irrelevant argument.
MarkedOfKane2 votes[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-01-09T20:17:51.639+0000)
Too bad that role is not exclusively to kill the other adc or roam sooooo irrelevant argument.
Not exclusively but do it anyways.
So its totally relevant actually lol.
Rexxiee1 votesADCs literally have an entire other class which is played by another player whos job it is to baby them for a good chunk of the game.
You mean that brand who is just 1 shotting the other bot lane?
Enchanters havent been meta or good for over an year, adc has nobody to protect them anymore, so they are food for everything, including the "support" mages.
MarkedOfKane1 votesYou mean that brand who is just 1 shotting the other bot lane?
Enchanters havent been meta or good for over an year, adc has nobody to protect them anymore, so they are food for everything, including the "support" mages.
Nope that isn't what I mean. Those aren't supports, thats a kill lane. When I say support, I'm talking about actual supports, like Leona, Braum, Blitz, Thresh, Alistar, Bard. So yes, there is in fact a whole class that is basically dedicated to babysitting you in lane. It exists.
Rexxiee2 votesNope that isn't what I mean. Those aren't supports, thats a kill lane. When I say support, I'm talking about actual supports, not Leona, Braum, Blitz, Thresh, Alistar, Bard. So yes, there is in fact a whole class that is basically dedicated to babysitting you in lane. It exists.
Does it matter that is "exists" if nobody plays them anymore?
Ppl are playing mages over adcs and enchanters in high elo.
Critmaster Garen3 votesDoes it matter that is "exists" if nobody plays them anymore?
Ppl are playing mages over adcs and enchanters in high elo.
https://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.playPercent&order=descend
not a single non marksman in the top 10
first one is heimer with 0.72% play rate at 18.
such mage dominance.
MarkedOfKane1 votesDoes it matter that is "exists" if nobody plays them anymore?
Ppl are playing mages over adcs and enchanters in high elo.
Yes because the entire thing I am talking about lol. Not sure why the downvotes if I am literally right.
GreenKnight1 votesI'm not one to talk, but... are you sure ADC's should have a big variety of defensive options? I mean, they are the only ones (usually) that have lane partners in early.
Ragnaveil1 votesMay I remind it was ranged users who abused the shit out of the item in the first place? 
Dr Dog1 votesthats just asking for urgot to become a broken mess of a champion, also gnar might end up in the same boat if he wasnt guttered
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zMtGykAR,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2019-01-09T21:07:11.119+0000)
thats just asking for urgot to become a broken mess of a champion, also gnar might end up in the same boat if he wasnt guttered
gnar can still buy and use steraks gage. just not in ranged form.
considering that gnars weakness is supposed to be squishy in mini form, i think thats fair.
or is he locked out entirely from buying it? thats fine too.
Dr Dog1 voteshonestly not sure if hes completely gated considering gnar is non existent rn, tho you cant buy it at all when your ranged so i dont think he can get it unless he backs in mega form or just not at all
Sukishoo1 votes
was never really meant to be a ranged item. It ended up making champions like way too strong in their role. So it'd be better if they just continue to look into the future items or other item changes like they have been.
Like over here https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/oA7EoIrf-crit-item-explorations they have some possible changes to 