Anyone else bored of dodgeball?

The thigh guy·Mar 9, 2019·70 votes·17,842 views

It’s getting a bit old at this point (really old actually)

You dodge a endless pile of abilities to be one hit by a stray ludens proc (exaggerated, but not by a whole lot)

I mean. Just look at the rouster of champions. How many of them have an ability or multiple abilities that may as well have their text say “land this ability, and gaurentee a kill”

Damage is crazy high Cc is crazy high

Those two things could be fine. But then we couple them with stupid. And I mean STUPID amounts of mobility.

And we can’t track these crazy mobile champions with wards anymore because of, rito gutted the one thing that keeps us safe from a roaming talon.

Resistance items don’t work anymore unless you are breaking 250+ in them due to the ludacris amount of penetration, %shred, true damage etc.

I’ll give a nice example. Kennen runs into your entire team, gets exhausted, presses r and uses zhonyas, kills your entire team anyways.

He did over 140% of your teams ENTIRE HP BARS. that’s so dumb.

Honestly it’s just boring. Instant killing people is only fun for the people doing the ones shorting.

99 Comments

Fondling GemsMar 9, 201947 votes

I just hate that the counter to assassins is vision, but then item 3147 , a core assassin item, completely removes the counterplay to them.

Daddy AntsMar 9, 201925 votes

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I just hate that the counter to assassins is vision, but then , a core assassin item, completely removes the counterplay to them.

And certain mechanics like Talon E, Kayn E making vision irrelevant...

Duskblade or not.

ShaydroxMar 10, 20192 votes

Or Zed uses W into R jumping on you from the entire screen away and oneshots you with E + duskblade AA + Ignite Or Rengar runs at you from whatever direction and all you get is a heads up before your HP bar disintegrates Lots of fun all around....

Seijurou AkashiMar 10, 20193 votes

I miss old Zed where you were building Blade of the Ruined King and doing some plays nowadays Its boring to play Zed since you literally start oneshotting with W Q E or you are too back to even do something or everyone buys zhonya and you are fucced up

agac4234Mar 10, 20192 votes

well u just have to ward diffrent places if u want to see them. like ward the river and ur own jungle to see kayn coming and u do the same with talon

The thigh guyMar 10, 20191 votes

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well u just have to ward diffrent places if u want to see them. like ward the river and ur own jungle to see kayn coming and u do the same with talon

Duskblade makes them disables wards.

agac4234Mar 11, 20191 votes

well red akyn doesnt buy duskbalde and talon gets it around 13 min becuase he buys tiamat so i dont think early game should be a problem

The thigh guyMar 11, 20191 votes

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well red akyn doesnt buy duskbalde and talon gets it around 13 min becuase he buys tiamat so i dont think early game should be a problem

Sometimes red kayn builds duskblade. But even then. He ganks from behind the enemy turret 9/10 so you have to ward a lot for him.

As for talon, he rushes youmuus now, and evades wards anyways by hopping walls. You litteraly can’t ward against him

WrÆthMar 10, 201910 votes

I just hate that the counter to_______ is ______, but then _____, a core ______ item, completely removes the counterplay to them.

Lets try this out, shall we?

I just hate that the counter to mages is assassins, but then item 3157 , a core **mage ** item, completely removes the counterplay to them.

I just hate that the counter to ADCS is assassins, but then item 3026 , a core ADC item, completely removes the counterplay to them.

Do you see how this argument breaks down?

NoDiscussionMar 10, 201910 votes

I understand that people aren't exactly giving full explanations and fleshing their arguments out, but seriously, think about this for a second.

item 3157 has a 120 second(2 minute) cooldown.

item 3026 has a 300 second(5 minute) cooldown.

item 3147 has a 90 second( 1 and a half minute) cooldown.

That's just comparing the cooldowns on these items, that isn't even comparing the purpose or roles that these items play in-game. Do you **REALLY **want me to continue?

HeimerLmaoMar 10, 20193 votes

Also, Zhonya negates burst, but you are still killable after it expires. GA is lategame and you still can die after the revival. Duskblade just bonks the wards and you no longer have vision for a minute or two.

HeeroTXMar 11, 20192 votes

I'd actually agree that GA is a problem, not for the idiotic "negates assassins" reason, but because ORIGINALLY it was Armor+MR, and the revive passive and now it's DAMAGE+Armor and the passive. It's pretty stupid that they swapped out the MR for Damage and speaks the the Damage heavy/CC heavy style that the OP is complaining about.

The thigh guyMar 11, 20191 votes

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I'd actually agree that GA is a problem, not for the idiotic "negates assassins" reason, but because ORIGINALLY it was Armor+MR, and the revive passive and now it's DAMAGE+Armor and the passive. It's pretty stupid that they swapped out the MR for Damage and speaks the the Damage heavy/CC heavy style that the OP is complaining about.

Honestly I don’t think ga is that big a problem. It doesn’t come in until late game, and by then nuking someone and extra 30% can be done by even a support.

HeeroTXMar 12, 20191 votes

It's a "problem" in that it's symptomatic of the damage issue. In it's old state it represented a choice between damage and survivability. Either you pick more damage or you pick an item that gave you protection and a revive (GA). Now, when you've got 4 items + boots, you can fill out the set with "medium" damage plus survivability.

I say this while noting that I don't usually bother to build GA because at low elo teamwork isn't usually strong enough to rescue someone who's been blown up to pop the GA. So more often than not it's simply "you die a little later after the enemy team has chased away allies and surrounded you", rather than GA saves you.

The thigh guyMar 12, 20191 votes

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It's a "problem" in that it's symptomatic of the damage issue. In it's old state it represented a choice between damage and survivability. Either you pick more damage or you pick an item that gave you protection and a revive (GA). Now, when you've got 4 items + boots, you can fill out the set with "medium" damage plus survivability.

I say this while noting that I don't usually bother to build GA because at low elo teamwork isn't usually strong enough to rescue someone who's been blown up to pop the GA. So more often than not it's simply "you die a little later after the enemy team has chased away allies and surrounded you", rather than GA saves you.

I’m in the boat of the damage problem comes almost entirely because resistance stats and hp have been made nearly useless unless you have a ludacris amount of them, because the amount of %pen, %shred, true damage and %hp damage, coupled with flat pen being higher than ever you need almost 350+ in the respective stat to even have the stat in an amount that matters.

But yeah. Damage being so high is what makes the game feel like dodgeball.

HeeroTXMar 12, 20191 votes

Honestly, this is why Riot needs to get over themselves and just make URF a permanent mode. A LONG time ago when I played Unreal Tourney, I LOVED playing CTF. I liked the teamwork and strategy necessary to win that mode. I would go online looking for servers playing that mode. Sometimes I had to dig around but I'd often find it. What I would ALSO often find was servers playing "instagib". Personally, I HATE "instagib". It's basically a frenetic "watch us all blow up as often as possible" game mode and is a completely unfun, waste of time gamemode... to ME. But the existence of these servers proved there are people that like and WANT this mode. Riot should allow for segregating at LEAST these two groups:

People that want a slowER and somewhat more methodical/strageic game
People that just want short, deathmatch style high action games

These are two VERY different distinct groups and trying to appease both simultaneously ain't gonna work.

AnateraMar 10, 201915 votes

Just waiting for the extremely predictable "Take a break" response, as if that's even a solution to the game's problems.

LazersnawMar 9, 20196 votes

Doesn't look like they are changing anything on the pbe so lol.

hashimotosMar 9, 20196 votes

Luden's is just awful design in general, rewarding players who brainlessly spam for missing. Mana for sustainable spamming, CDR for more frequent spamming, and a stacking passive that synergizes with spammy gameplay. On its own, it isn't that bad, but combine it with Scorch, Liandry's, Rylai's, Morellonomicon, etc. and it's just a fucking headache. I dodge everything, yet still get my heal reduced because Ziggs hit a minion in my general vicinity. I spent a ton of gold on a Banshee's, and the spellshield is popped my a random Luden's proc hitting my teammate. Just a stupid, URF-esque item that should've never made its way into the game.

3TWarriorMar 10, 20192 votes

luden's is a weaker version of item 3087 , it's also more expensive

I do agree that luden's shouldn't proc banshee's though but that's likely a coding issue

KVbqbFsC8eMar 10, 20196 votes

How does garbage like this even get upvoted? Kennens R damage does not one shot a team, let alone if he is exhausted. His R damage was nerfed a long time ago. Getting one shot by a Ludens proc is not a large exaggeration? I have never seen anything close to that ever happen.

RagnaveilMar 10, 201917 votes

It got upvoted because it perfectly describes the meta. If you ain't 100-0ing with one rotation of your combo or abusing shit that allows you to 100-0 with no problems, you don't exist.

ModAcademy KaynMar 10, 20194 votes

As a Kayn main who actively plays Rhaast simply because it's safer, not true at all.

RagnaveilMar 10, 20197 votes

Idk, anyone who builds health vs Conqueror Rhaast is bound to die a painful death in hell.

The thigh guyMar 10, 20197 votes

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As a Kayn main who actively plays Rhaast simply because it's safer, not true at all.

I’ve instant killed people on rhaast. I was fed out my ass. But it’s atill possible.

Also he is one of those champions who does have an ability that may as well say “hit this ability, get kill” being his w. If I land a w on someone as rhaast I have around a 60% kill rate.

ModAcademy KaynMar 10, 20194 votes

I’ve instant killed people on rhaast. I was fed out my ass. But it’s atill possible.

Wow, it's almost like, that's the case on anyone. And wow, congrats on being able to actually play a champion. Hitting W is probably the first step on killing someone, you're right. It's almost like missing your abilities make you less likely to kill people.

The thigh guyMar 10, 20196 votes

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Wow, it's almost like, that's the case on anyone. And wow, congrats on being able to actually play a champion. Hitting W is probably the first step on killing someone, you're right. It's almost like missing your abilities make you less likely to kill people.

Hit one ability. Almost gaurentee a kill. :/ big difference between I hit my entire kit and kill him and I hit one ability and it handed me the kill. -.-

ModAcademy KaynMar 10, 20192 votes

Wow, it's almost like that's the same way every bruiser operates, they're more likely to kill you, if they land their CC. I'm almost starting to sound like Owen Wilsen.

LTK KoRoMar 10, 20191 votes

you're wasting your time, OP is famous "melee is basically a benefit compared to range" boards user, arguing with him is pointless

The thigh guyMar 10, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=di94gyAv,comment-id=00080000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-10T11:18:39.206+0000)

you're wasting your time, OP is famous "melee is basically a benefit compared to range" boards user, arguing with him is pointless

It’s funny. Because even on that post all you can say is “but but but. They have range” after I proceed to list 8 things melee get over range

LTK KoRoMar 10, 20191 votes

all what you can list about melees being better than rangeds is sterak

and well if having +500 aa range compared to 125 isn't a advantage then i don't know what is

The thigh guyMar 10, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=di94gyAv,comment-id=0008000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-10T20:59:14.118+0000)

all what you can list about melees being better than rangeds is sterak

and well if having +500 aa range compared to 125 isn't a advantage then i don't know what is

sigh Steriks Conquerer Black cleaver Triforce Knights vow Frozen mallet Deadman’s Guinsuu Relic shield Wits end Fleet footwork Glacial augment Grasp of the undying Red buff.

Shall I keep fucking going? :/

LTK KoRoMar 11, 20191 votes

Steriks-yes, a melee only thing. One thing which melees have but rangeds doesn't. Conquerer- Rangeds got it gutted, now it's Riven and Renekton rune only. Still useful on cassio tho Black cleaver-Melee item abused by Lucian and MF Triforce-Usually build by melees but lots of rangeds can use it on par with them like Corki, Ezreal. Knights vow- It's a tank support item. Fun fact, tank ranged support called Thresh buys this item Frozen mallet-Shit item but used more than rangeds than melees. No melee have FM in his build as a core, but Teemo and Gnar buy it often Deadman’s-Is a shit item bought by nobody, but it can be used both by rangeds and melees Guinsuu-Used more by rangeds than melees. Vayne is currently THE guinsoo user. Relic shield-Counterpart to ranged only item called . Also rangeds CAN use it, like Thresh Wits end-Another item which is used by nobody, but when someone buys it it can be both rangeds and melees. 100% sure that it was core item of Kogmaw back in the days Fleet footwork-Rune used in 90% cases by rangeds Glacial augment-Rune used by nearly nobody, when it was meta it was abused by rangeds called Ahri and Velkoz Grasp of the undying-Primary melee rune but it's commonly used by toplane ranged bullies such as Teemo. Also Caitlyn used it for a while. Red buff. Works much better on rangeds. There's a reason why adc gets every redbuff after some point in a game

Outside of steraks you listed stuff which either rangeds can use better than melees, or on par with melees. Congratulations, you have proven that rangeds have much bigger item/rune choice than melees

The thigh guyMar 11, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=di94gyAv,comment-id=000800000000000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-11T07:50:41.388+0000)

Outside of steraks you listed stuff which either rangeds can use better than melees, or on par with melees. Congratulations, you have proven that rangeds have much bigger item/rune choice than melees

Now why don’t you actually go read those items instead of spitting out falsities at me.

They all have RESTRICTIONS put on them for ranged champions.

LTK KoRoMar 11, 20191 votes

they have restrictions in order to be useable for both classes. Imagine if Mallet wouldn't have restriction. Yknow what would happen? Either it stats or passive would be nerfed hard and then it would be useable only on rangeds.

Due to rangeds being better by themselves than melees items which are used by both melees and rangeds need to be worse on rangeds, just due to nature of balance.

And if you seriously think that these items have some restrictions for rangeds because muhh melee supremacy then i feel really sorry for you, who hurt you during the childhood?

The thigh guyMar 11, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=di94gyAv,comment-id=00080000000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-11T08:12:19.343+0000)

they have restrictions in order to be useable for both classes. Imagine if Mallet wouldn't have restriction. Yknow what would happen? Either it stats or passive would be nerfed hard and then it would be useable only on rangeds.

Due to rangeds being better by themselves than melees items which are used by both melees and rangeds need to be worse on rangeds, just due to nature of balance.

And if you seriously think that these items have some restrictions for rangeds because muhh melee supremacy then i feel really sorry for you, who hurt you during the childhood?

You asked for ways range is hindered for the sake of melee and why melee is almost a benefit. I gave you multiple examples of items that are statistically better on melee. You are yet to give a single example which extends past “bUt ThEy HaVe RaNgE!”

Handy Sandy Mar 10, 20192 votes

no it doesn't. op is bronze 4 and on a bad 3 game loss spree, one of which is against an 11/1 kennen. then goes to gameplay to complain when really they're just getting caught out every 2 minutes lol

RagnaveilMar 10, 20192 votes

Ok, so the situation is a rant. Even then, their complaints have merit considering how this meta is.

The thigh guyMar 10, 20193 votes

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no it doesn't. op is bronze 4 and on a bad 3 game loss spree, one of which is against an 11/1 kennen. then goes to gameplay to complain when really they're just getting caught out every 2 minutes lol

Just a heads up. You’re argument lose all validity as soon as you start attacking their rank.

FYI. I don’t really play ranked anymore cause it’s cancerous af.

NuggetMilkMar 10, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Big Piece,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=di94gyAv,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2019-03-10T01:54:26.623+0000)

How does garbage like this even get upvoted? Kennens R damage does not one shot a team, let alone if he is exhausted. His R damage was nerfed a long time ago. Getting one shot by a Ludens proc is not a large exaggeration? I have never seen anything close to that ever happen.

Yeah I really can't agree with the kennen thing. There are very few times where you can onshot an entire team with kennen unless you are fed beyond all imagination

Crescent DuskMar 9, 20195 votes

Play Annie and get outranged and outbursted by the entire mid lane roster.

It's especially wonderful when as Annie you have to prepare 4 spells and use no abilities to wave push or cs to hold that stun and only have weak ass autos while a Sylas just stuns you straight away and does 60%+ of your health from the same range of your own spells while having more mobility, survivability, and equal or better burst.

Get shoved into turret by every mid laner, and for what? If they don't poke you to death they get to free roam and 2-3 shot crap just like you except they don't need flash or ult to do so.

It's almost like this game doesn't even balance champions who have good waveclear to have less single target damage than champions who have no waveclear or crazy mana costs while a Karthus or Zoe spams spells all day long.

ZaneShadowMar 11, 20191 votes

Sounds like your struggling as Annie if your getting out damaged by other midlanders, since she has some rediculous burst. Here’s some cool tips for learning Annie:

Go to twitch
Search for Annie Bot
Schedule: Start Time: 1 PM PST

While I’m being a little sarcastic, I learned her by watching his youtube videos (when he still did that) and by looking at his profile for builds. Dude regularly gets challenger with her, he is the ultimate source of knowledge on how to play her. Minus maybe his addiction to dark seal, because unless your as good as him, it’s a bit dangerous.

MatthevvMar 11, 20191 votes

If you aren't upgrading to mejais then dark seal isn't really risky.

Crescent DuskMar 11, 20191 votes

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Sounds like your struggling as Annie if your getting out damaged by other midlanders, since she has some rediculous burst. Here’s some cool tips for learning Annie:

Go to twitch

Search for Annie Bot

Schedule: Start Time: 1 PM PST

While I’m being a little sarcastic, I learned her by watching his youtube videos (when he still did that) and by looking at his profile for builds. Dude regularly gets challenger with her, he is the ultimate source of knowledge on how to play her. Minus maybe his addiction to dark seal, because unless your as good as him, it’s a bit dangerous.

lol

Annie Bot can't even get out of grandmasters and is reputed among challenger one tricks as being one of the worst one trick players in league. He's as washed up as Tobias Fate and imaqtpie.

low eq player in op.gg plays Annie for 60%+ of his games and sits at Challenger at 400+ lp. KuvoNA also sits higher than Annie Bot. Both are significantly better Annies. Annie Bot consitently loses to LL Stylish, supposedly the Zed god (he isn't, Laceration is a consistently higher ranked Zed and so is Zaion). Annie Bot loses to Chapanya, loses to KatEvolved, gest stomped by Heisendong's Heimerdinger. He basically loses mid lane more often than not and if he does well at all is because the other lanes do well and he gets to roam with them.

And the only games they do well in as Annie is games where they get babysat by the jungler so they can farm and maybe get a kill, otherwise they get shoved under turret and poked out of lane and quickly become irrelevant in the game as they fall way behind in CS.

OneMustFallMar 10, 20195 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=di94gyAv,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-03-09T22:13:32.629+0000)

I’ll give a nice example. Kennen runs into your entire team, gets exhausted, presses r and uses zhonyas, kills your entire team anyways.

He did over 140% of your teams ENTIRE HP BARS. that’s so dumb.

Honestly it’s just boring. Instant killing people is only fun for the people doing the ones shorting.

Whatever you're smoking, I want some.

Of all the champs to drop some hyperbole on, you go with Kennen too. lol

Oh dear.

Handy Sandy Mar 10, 20192 votes

How many of them have an ability or multiple abilities that may as well have their text say “land this ability, and gaurentee a kill”

honestly not even that many. out of the current top 10 played champions, only 2 have an ability like this: Thresh and Morgana

out of the top 20 most played champions, only 5 have an ability like this: Leblanc Lissandra (and not even all the time cus her damage output isn't very high without help from her team) Alistar Morgana Thresh

ya there's less common stuff like Lux q or Ahri charm, zoe bubble etc but think about how much of that is on a team at a time. like the support is probably one, and then the midlaner if they're a mage, and then top laners/jg/adcs dont really have any long range cc to catch people out except for a few.

I’ll give a nice example. Kennen runs into your entire team, gets exhausted, presses r and uses zhonyas, kills your entire team anyways.

ya but unless hes lvl 18 and your team is all lvl 4-5 this isn't going to happen. this isnt even a good example you're taking one of the worst champions right now who doesn't even have this type of damage output. when you put it in a scenario like that you can make any champion sound op

"ill give a nice example. Gnar runs into your team in monster form, flashes and then R's your whole team into the wall stunning everyone and kills your entire team."

like no that doesnt happen

The thigh guyMar 10, 20193 votes

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honestly not even that many. out of the current top 10 played champions, only 2 have an ability like this: and

out of the top 20 most played champions, only 5 have an ability like this: (and not even all the time cus her damage output isn't very high without help from her team)

ya there's less common stuff like Lux q or Ahri charm, zoe bubble etc but think about how much of that is on a team at a time. like the support is probably one, and then the midlaner if they're a mage, and then top laners/jg/adcs dont really have any long range cc to catch people out except for a few. Kennen runs into your entire team, gets exhausted, presses r and uses zhonyas, kills your entire team anyways.

ya but unless hes lvl 18 and your team is all lvl 4-5 this isn't going to happen. this isnt even a good example you're taking one of the worst champions right now who doesn't even have this type of damage output. when you put it in a scenario like that you can make any champion sound op

"ill give a nice example. Gnar runs into your team in monster form, flashes and then R's your whole team into the wall stunning everyone and kills your entire team."

like no that doesnt happen

Except Kennen does do this. And him being weak makes this point even stronger. :/

And no. Being instant killed with no counterplay is the meta. It’s not arguable.

Handy Sandy Mar 10, 20191 votes

why is kennen a weak champion if he can ult and kill an entire team instantly? something like that is extremely strong and whoever can do that would be pick/ban every game. that's right, he's not strong because he can't do that. He just got super fed in that 1 game, he was just simply the better player or the circumstances heavily favored him as he got fed off his laner or your team made a couple mistakes.

you dont really know what you're talking about and blaming everything on the meta or a champion doesn't do anything because 1. there will always be a meta in league, it's unavoidable that's just a fundamental aspect of league, 2. it doesn't make you a better player. Instead of doing that I find it helpful to look at what you could be doing better.

I might just think that Zed R-ing me and oneshotting me is busted, but then I look at what I could do and find out if I zhonya his R or dodge his skillshots then I'll live and have a chance at killing him instead. Just like kennen, maybe don't let him just walk up to your team in the first place. prevent his flanks with vision or threaten him with damage. Cleanse/Qss/mikaels his stun so your ad carry can keep doing damage, don't fight in close spaces like baron pit or stay so close together that he can hit you all at once much like amumu r etc.

The thigh guyMar 10, 20191 votes

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why is kennen a weak champion if he can ult and kill an entire team instantly? something like that is extremely strong and whoever can do that would be pick/ban every game. that's right, he's not strong because he can't do that. He just got super fed in that 1 game, he was just simply the better player or the circumstances heavily favored him as he got fed off his laner or your team made a couple mistakes.

you dont really know what you're talking about and blaming everything on the meta or a champion doesn't do anything because 1. there will always be a meta in league, it's unavoidable that's just a fundamental aspect of league, 2. it doesn't make you a better player. Instead of doing that I find it helpful to look at what you could be doing better.

I might just think that Zed R-ing me and oneshotting me is busted, but then I look at what I could do and find out if I zhonya his R or dodge his skillshots then I'll live and have a chance at killing him instead. Just like kennen, maybe don't let him just walk up to your team in the first place. prevent his flanks with vision or threaten him with damage. Cleanse/Qss/mikaels his stun so your ad carry can keep doing damage, don't fight in close spaces like baron pit or stay so close together that he can hit you all at once much like amumu r etc.

Yes. Now let’s ignore that this ult is essentially a gaurenteed 5 man stun unless multiple flashes are burned. And ignore that he has a team. He has an entire 4 other champions behind him. If he ever gets near you, and presses r. You die.

Rock MDMar 11, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The thigh guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=di94gyAv,comment-id=0009000000000000,timestamp=2019-03-10T06:02:15.650+0000)

Yes. Now let’s ignore that this ult is essentially a gaurenteed 5 man stun unless multiple flashes are burned. And ignore that he has a team. He has an entire 4 other champions behind him. If he ever gets near you, and presses r. You die.

Ori ult is a 5 man stun unless multiple flashes are burned

Azir ult is a 5 man knockback unless multiple flashes are burned

Neeko ult is a 5 man stun unless multiple flashes are burned

Morgana ult is a 5 man stun unless multiple flashes are burned, and you can't even CC her.

It's a 5 man stun because you clumped and let him jump on you. On top of that, he probably had to burn flash as well to get into that situation.

That's the price you pay for being careless and letting your opponent find a good angle.