Look guys. Is anyone really satisfied with where the game is headed? I realize that people, at all stages during a game's lifespan, will complain about the current state of the game. However, I doubt that I'm alone when I say that the game has become decreasingly fun to play with GC's influence finally starting to show.
Some of the more recent ideas have all be disasters: class updates, new jungle, buffs/nerfs for pro play and the list goes on.
Deep Terror Nami7 votesCounter-proposal: I say we should put his whole family on the payroll for the next 20 years.
Your turn.
BestJhinUniverse4 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zEKikJ0W,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-08-13T11:01:11.961+0000)
Counter-proposal: I say we should put his whole family on the payroll for the next 20 years.
Your turn.
Gut nami, hand out free sushi. Everyone wins.
Craft Zeppelin1 votesGut nami, hand out free sushi. Everyone wins.
And I thought my giant enemy crabgot sashimi was exquisite enough.
Death by Glamour3 votesYeah after what he did to world of Warcraft that sounds like an amazing idea
Junglerz Fault4 votesRIP WoW PvP you will not be forgotten.
Deep Terror Nami5 votesBlaming GC is more a meme than anything else; you guys can't even name a single thing he actually personally made a call on, you just make him a scapegoat for anonymous wrongdoings.
Junglerz Fault4 votesGuilt by association my friend.
Blåbæret1 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zEKikJ0W,comment-id=000000010001,timestamp=2017-08-13T12:19:49.685+0000)
Blaming GC is more a meme than anything else; you guys can't even name a single thing he actually personally made a call on, you just make him a scapegoat for anonymous wrongdoings.
As a lead designer he's responsible for where the game is headed. The specifics don't really interest anyone. The guy butchered wow and will do the same here.
Deep Terror Nami2 votesI can tell they don't interest you. However, they actually matter.
Jmman1 votesWell I don't care about the Micro environment either but rather the Macro environment. Because its true the "Details" might be different meaning a assassin in lol might be equal to a rogue in WoW. Or how talent tree in wow are called masteries in LOL. So the Micro or "details" might different.
But the Macro environment is like saying the CEO bears total responsibly for the build is a correct statement. But you seem to say that person in charge of Design is not responsible for the way the Design is going is laughable at best.
I don't care about Down votes because its like likes or friend book, it doesn't mean crap. But when Revenue starts to drop its a total blind side right..... no one could have seen it coming.
Sure the details matter. But how is it wrong to place the design of the game on the lead designer???? I swear they must have all Arts majors and libs working there.
Death by Glamour3 votesHe was the lead developer at the time when the wow player base halved in number due to his decisions.
You can stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that he is God's gift to the gaming Industry all you want but just look at what has been happening.
Blåbæret2 votes[{quoted}](name=Pink Leg Warmers,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zEKikJ0W,comment-id=0000000100010002,timestamp=2017-08-13T23:41:36.197+0000)
He was the lead developer at the time when the wow player base halved in number due to his decisions.
You can stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that he is God's gift to the gaming Industry all you want but just look at what has been happening.
Well said brother.
Jmman1 votesYou want WoW examples... because I can give them to you with my character and guild names.
I can also example he is the reason that they change the talents tree in wow to only be good at one thing rather that the player choice. (look at our talent trees and items)
He then had a problem of hybrid build being too strong in PvP see the druid and ret pal/def pal/war. Then the issue because hunters (range adc) doing too much damage. Then if shifted to melee damage aswell (paralleling lol here????)
Oh I forgot how he nerf priest and locks fears and self-stain. (wow look the same happened in lol to mages)
You can look at the dumbing down of the raids/quests/skills. exp/plants/jungle changes all made so a 6 year old can play.
I can go on and on if I really thing and look back. But to say this isn't paralleling wow just isn't true. Sure people don't like changes but heck man. The nerfs and changes to mages are almost on par with what happened to wow. PVP Melee ruled the day after him. From a micro stand point your correct but from a macro stand point your wrong and its pisses the same group off. Its just his personally opinion is war /ad (he had a war main) is going to be better than a caster or mage. Rather than being equal or playing to strength and weakness.
So your saying its not him but we are saying the same shit is happening that I left WoW. And its cool if you don't value my input or my happiness as a customer. Because I can spend my money else where. That means all those RIto jobs that are dream job are GONE.
Jmman1 votesSweet just what we needs more people without good degrees taking jobs from more qualified people. Because I guess playing games and looking at sea life = knowledge of prob and stats with understanding of human behavior. You have an Arts guys balancing numbers.... It's all about who you know now rather than what or how good of a job you do.
Deep Terror Nami1 votesThat's a joke, right? He's been at this for many years; he has more experience than anyone now.
Jmman1 votesSure he has more Bad experience than anyone I know.
You know Consistency is only a Virtue if you're not a screw up.
Ok lets look at what you have here. He has Experience at a MMORPG (WoW and he messed it up). Now this is WAYYYY difference from LoL. Lol is a FPS game. So you are telling me that because someone is a master at CoD they could balance Street fighter. Now sure I will agree he might have gained Skills of management in the Tech industry. Just from being there. But to say that he has experience in balance or improving players experience I will LOVE to see your sources. Because my source of WoW and Lol which I have personally experienced has be negative for me.
This is the football head coach joke. He messed up bad at WoW . So did he learn from his mistakes or make the same ones over? Jeff fisher Has a lot of NFL coaching experience but do you want him as your coach? Or do you want the coach that has been with the same team forever that keeps winning?
Experience... what type because I have more balancing, stats, ratios, problem solving experience than he can dream of. But would that make me good at the job? And no I'm not joking. I would to see all the info that he makes his decisions from. (if he uses info instead of "feelings") I'm not being mean here but when a game has champs with a less than 1% play rate and ones with over 20 30 %. Then the ones with a high % keep getting changed instead of the low ones.... come on. Don't get me started on the match makings. Champ balance has moved from balance the champs to balancing the few champs they play for LCS.
Ghost Crawler is used to suck all the remaining $$$$ from a game after it has hit the plateau. Now that he has a lot of exp. But to lead a team or company into improving the player experience. See a true leader brings out the best ideas in others. A true leader doesn't need to lead the way by his personal views. All I can see is LoL changing to his perspective of a "fantasy Realm" Sorry I would like for it to by my Fantasy Realm with my preferred views of classes and types. Not his and how the sword will always rule the day. I pay for the game. So My and the customer base views are what should matter. Because we want to enjoy the game. This right click fest with no counterplay or mindless lump of team fights might be his view but has turned me off. Its burst or be burst and your balancing Tanks around adc's that 3 aa people.
Its no joke until you can give me something besided wow and lol. (which he has jack up imo) I'm going to say that was an answer to look good for the boss.
Oh and this is from someone that has starting playing Games since they really started on the internet. EQ to TF to CS etc etc etc. my team place 3rd in TN for Halo and was invited to the finals in NY. I have played games since I was a kid in to now as a husband, father and hardworking professional. I deal with numbers, high money amounts and people everyday. I understand business and games. I have watch Many games fall and look forward to see many more as the gaming community evolves. You really should stop and listen to some of us that have seen a thing or two. Because honestly, you are just repeating what someone else had done and giving it a different name and wanting a different outcome.
LoliKnight7 votesI don't believe in whiteknighting anyone but I believe anyone who is a detriment to the income of a company or the reputation of a company as a whole will be automatically booted. That's just how this world works. GC still is around isn't he? He must be doing something right. Just play the game without calling for someone to lose his livelihood.
BestJhinUniverse3 votesI don't believe in whiteknighting anyone but I believe anyone who is a detriment to the income of a company or the reputation of a company as a whole will be automatically booted. That's just how this world works. GC still is around isn't he? He must be doing something right. Just play the game without calling for someone to lose his livelihood.
Depends on who his "friends" are upstairs and what kind of "favors" he does for them. Remember who you know out weighs what you know these days. But he must have at least the just satisfactory basics down to stay afloat.
Junglerz Fault2 votesYeah it's called having friends in high places. It can take you anywhere you want to go.
Blåbæret1 votesI don't believe in whiteknighting anyone but I believe anyone who is a detriment to the income of a company or the reputation of a company as a whole will be automatically booted. That's just how this world works. GC still is around isn't he? He must be doing something right. Just play the game without calling for someone to lose his livelihood.
He literally did nothing right in WoW and still stayed for several years. So no, that ain't it.
LoliKnight1 votesWell then fck me I'm just naive and out of the loop then.
Hexs Fortune4 votesThere's alot of misinformation in this thread. As someone who used to play wow during the GC days, I can say he improved the game overall and dramatically improved communications between the developers and the playerbase.
Before GC was hired the wow devs rarely spoke to players. During his tenure you could feel his influence changing things as dialogue opened up. After he left remaining devs publicly vowed to keep up the communication in his stead.
There's a meme about how GC loved frost mages so he overbuffed them, but in reality he mained a holy priest, which nobody ever really complained about. If anything, players occasionally found more issue it's sister spec Discipline.
GC was also partially responsible for my favorite wow expansion, Mists of Pandaria.
After GC left we got Warlords of Draenor which is where I and many others finally stopped playing WoW. Anyone who played WoD knows how disappointing it was. All you have to say is Ashran
Blåbæret3 votesLmao wat? He improved the game? The game literally went to shit after wotlk rofl.
Everything you just said is THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Trashran and WoD is the direct result of GC's influence and design philosophy. It was already in development when he quit. Thankfully he's gone now and the game has recuperated somewhat in Legion.
You're clearly someone who did not play back in the day and have no idea what the game used to be. GC is a big fan of casualization - which is what he did.
Junglerz Fault1 votesWhich is why he is loved upstairs and why he was brought to this game, even though I didn't think this game could be any more casual... Anyways, preach to em man. Unless you actually started in vanilla/burning crusade, like some of us did, then you wouldn't know how bad GC was for WoW.
Jmman3 votesWent from EQ to WoW in Vanilla... Was the first person to have hammer of Rak on my server.... As a Sham rofl.... it was so awesome.
But yea GC wrecked it bad. He destoried the champs talent trees too. Picked for you what you can and can't play in pvp and pve.
A lot of use see that is what is happening here. Certain Type of champs are stronger than others.
ROFL down voted. Please whoever downvoted me explain how I am wrong. And with examples. Because you can't you just downvoted to be a RITO nerd or GC himself.
Blåbæret1 votesDon't worry about it. GC has a lot of salty fanboys rampant on these boards.
Euthenaasia2 votesIf there is a Rioter to be fired it'd have to be Certainlyt who's champion designs are consistently the most toxic and gamebreaking.
LyingOnLine1 votesNuke France.
Is anyone really satisfied with where all that elitism is headed?