Buffs to champions that don't need it. Nerfs to champions that don't need it. Compensation to champions that don't need it.
Meanwhile the game is getting progressively worse, day by day. When does incompetence become a tangible thing for Riot?
Bjørnetjenesten21 votesEveryone knows that balance team has no say in this. The Skins team decides who is buffed and nerf the champs that counter said champions that recieve new skins.
Garen and Darius double 1820 RP skins. Look their stats on op.gg
Garen is #1, while Darius is #3 in toplane.
http://euw.op.gg/champion/garen/statistics/top http://euw.op.gg/champion/darius/statistics/top
who is their hardest counter? 
ofc. He cant be strong or they wont sell skins.
Rock MD5 votesEveryone knows that balance team has no say in this. The Skins team decides who is buffed and nerf the champs that counter said champions that recieve new skins.
Garen and Darius double 1820 RP skins. Look their stats on op.gg
Garen is #1, while Darius is #3 in toplane.
http://euw.op.gg/champion/garen/statistics/top http://euw.op.gg/champion/darius/statistics/top
who is their hardest counter?
Yeah that's why Garen got nerfed this patch as well...
TehNACHO3 votesShh, don't contradict people on the Boards, it hurts their self esteem.
flibitydoo1 votesTo be fair, Garen lost the vs event to darius. And that's because Darius is a much more popular champion
Bjørnetjenesten2 votesGaren was prob too obnoxious to ignore.. and it was only 20 dmg lategame, which is prob not gonna make much of a difference in his ranking.
He also counters Irelia, who also recieved a skin recently. While maintaining high pickrates and winrates, she gets this random and unnecessary buff.. you dont think this is kinda weird?
Then they write this shit, like her laning phase was supposed to be weak...
_ We're putting some laning functionality back into Irelia's Q_
Rock MD3 votesGaren was prob too obnoxious to ignore.. and it was only 20 dmg lategame, which is prob not gonna make much of a difference in his ranking.
He also counters Irelia, who also recieved a skin recently. While maintaining high pickrates and winrates, she gets this random and unnecessary buff.. you dont think this is kinda weird?
Then they write this shit, like her laning phase was supposed to be weak...
That's like 15 damage off every trade at rank 3 (level 5). That shit adds up.
And yes, the best Garen players are maxing Q right now. Hitting the rank 5 of a champion that maxes it early does a ton to them in the midgame.
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesWhat are you trying to say? That this nerf was significant enough to drop him to shit tier or even middle tier now? And as i said, its been some time since his legendary skin was released, so they probably milked him plenty this month. Now they nerf him and give Irelia a random buff since she got a skin.
Junglerz Fault1 votesEveryone knows that balance team has no say in this. The Skins team decides who is buffed and nerf the champs that counter said champions that recieve new skins.
Garen and Darius double 1820 RP skins. Look their stats on op.gg
Garen is #1, while Darius is #3 in toplane.
http://euw.op.gg/champion/garen/statistics/top http://euw.op.gg/champion/darius/statistics/top
who is their hardest counter?
Been saying this forever. Riot is a toxic company and they are corrupt for doing this. I miss when fun used to be a thing.
Napoleon39 votesthats true buffing vayne more when she was unbalanced from the start she was released and 0 nerfs but for weak adcs like sivir are staying like they are 0 buff or maybe nerf to her or nothing the balance team is a joke and honestly every rework from the time time they reworked fiora or the most of the reworks are destroying every game and the damage is too big every game ends in 15 minits are we playing aram or sumoners rift? maybe aram :(.playing the same game at diferent map i guess
Napoleon35 votesthe game is being more toxic and i think a lot of things not all i mean urgot rework is fine or poppy but some other things at all not only reworks should be reverted.
LoveBubbleButts1 votesTruth is no one places vayne and those buffs were placebo's. Kaisa is a busted better version of vayne. If you pick vayne instead of kaisa you're high.
Colton1476 votes
are gutted and are in an unplayable state. 
Tahminatrix 66 voteszoe deserves it.
Bjørnetjenesten19 votesOrnn too
SolarisCorvus7 votesim sad they got rid of his unstoppable.
should have just gutted his w dmg and kept the unstoppable.
Z3Sleeper2 votesLike, everyone said Brittle duration combined with the extremely low cooldown and shield were making it impossible to trade against him, but they go and remove unstoppable instead.
Then immediately afterward they do this:
The Riot "Sejauni'ing" special.
SolarisCorvus1 votesriot should put it back on ornn. It was fun part of his kit that allowed to you to express some skill.
Biggest MO3 Fan1 votesidk if i would say if ornn needed it. DONT GET ME WRONG HE WAS BROKEN. but he got overnerfed like they did to 
. Both were op and since riot doesnt know how to balance anything they just made them useless. Honestly i wish they would just make them good. not broken, but good..... I like playing certain tanks , that have dueling potential like ornn , but rn hes bad.
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesI Agree his kit in itself is completely fine, my problem is the ammount of %max hp dmg that he is granted, while going full tank. The fact that he needed that damage to be viable is why this game sucks. Tanks should be weak laners that scale well into mid and lategame.
BLIGHTBRINGER3 votesThis one game Zoe "Support" manages to chunk 40% of my HP with her Q & E at level 3 with just a 
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She's the reason why we even lost lane, because she kept using our summoner spells against us.
My ADC (Heals), she picks it up (free W damage). I ignite her (free W damage). She flashes out when about to get killed (runs at mach 5) Comes back (ignites me) > I flash out (she flashes as well) > I die
(ignore the fact that I was playing Kayle Support, it's actually a lot better than you think, this example was just a bad early game)
Here's some quality gameplay...
(The damage from Kai'Sas W was somewhat justified, since she had 2 kills + BF Sword)
Even with all the burst and one shot potentials that Zoe had, we still somehow managed to win that game (my R and W helped a lot).
RavenMagus4 votesTo be fair to Zoe, at least, absolutely any support hitting you with a skillshot when you're very far from your own minions would pretty much instantly kill you. Do you think that situation would have been different if that were a Thresh, Morgana, or Blitzcrank hitting you?
BLIGHTBRINGER1 votesExcept they don't have the ability to use something (that is supposed to benefit you/help you or your team) against you. As creative and unique Zoe's W is, I don't see why the ability itself needs to have damage of it's own (considering it has a 0.25 sec cooldown and no mana cost).
But putting that aside (since that wasn't what got me killed in the clip that I provided). Zoe's Q scalling (based on rank and ratios) needs to be looked at, it doesn't do enough damage against minions directly at earlier stages of the game (when farming), but it does way too much damage as a single basic ability to champions (for an ability that has a 8.5 second cooldown at rank 1, 5 second cooldown at max rank with 20% CDR from Luden's Echo). Her Q damage needs to be placed elsewhere, her E maybe. But then again people complain that she's a better version of Nidalee with CC to guarantee the massive Q hit.
Aimléss5 votesLmao 40%??? If that was Brand he'd have done 80.
BLIGHTBRINGER1 votesI know.
Verxint2 votesIf that was brand Q and W would be much easier to dodge and more importantly he wouldn't steal your summomer spells
PhearBunny3 votes[{quoted}](name=Darkin Hybrid,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=goYkmQk0,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2018-08-30T15:39:24.004+0000)
This one game Zoe "Support" manages to chunk 40% of my HP with her Q & E at level 3 with just a
She's the reason why we even lost lane, because she kept using our summoner spells against us.
My ADC (Heals), she picks it up (free W damage). I ignite her (free W damage). She flashes out when about to get killed (runs at mach 5) Comes back (ignites me) > I flash out (she flashes as well) > I die
(ignore the fact that I was playing Kayle Support, it's actually a lot better than you think, this example was just a bad early game)
Here's some quality gameplay...
(The damage from Kai'Sas W was somewhat justified, since she had 2 kills + BF Sword)
Even with all the burst and one shot potentials that Zoe had, we still somehow managed to win that game (my R and W helped a lot).
Kayle support is not good, but yes Zoe is cancer.
BLIGHTBRINGER1 votesI'm not saying it's pick or ban but I felt like trying something new.
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesDont get me wrong i hate zoe, but she outplayed you completely here.
The Stabby Tabby5 votesDude Rengar needed that buff man, when I kill people they actually still want to play the game. Can't have that trash, they better AFK after I instagib them.
Hambaga5 votesI swear to god I fucking hate the bot lane right now. You have no choice but to play stormrazor adcs right now because any champ that doesn't use it gets fucked over by the early game pressure
Lets compare Jinx and Twitch, similar builds (mainly crit + attack speed and some dmg items)
Jinx gets a Stormrazor first, giving 60 ad, 35% as, and an auto crit passive. It costs 2800
Twitch gets a BORK, with 40 ad, 25% as and 12% lifesteal, with 8% current hp on auto and an active that steals speed and does one whole poot of damage. That costs 3200.
Now who wins? What a surprise its jinx! The stats of stormrazor are way stronger than Bork for laning, and costs 400 less. In what world does this make sense? Theres no point in even worrying about the late game because twitch is gonna get shat on so hard early thats theres not even a chance of using that damage late game. Riot sees that stormrazor is overpreforming and what do they do? THEY TAKE AWAY 5 AD AND GIVES IT 10% MORE ATTACK SPEED. They didn't even do anything for bork since 8.11. I guess the pro's are using jhin and stormrazor so what do I have to say about it?
Weiner the Pooh4 votesAnd blatantly balancing solely around pro play. Why are champs with 46-48% win rate with ~5% pick rate getting nerfed? Because you want more variety when the top 0.0001% play each other? Standard play literally means nothing to the balance team.
Käcey2 votesThe thing about riot's balance team is that if something is nerfed it gets a compensation buff, champions or items they get compensation buffs, if a champion is too strong they either ignore it or gut it or buff it, if a champion is doing well at around 50% winrate they buff it, if a champion is at a lower than 45% winrate they nerf it.
Honestly they could learn something from the Dota 2 balance team, the game was a total shit show but now unlike riot they don't mess around with numbers on abilities, they switch out the ability that makes it too complicated to balance and give it a new one that will balance out the champion more.
Zerictm2 votesBut then they'd have to hire more of those dirty coders instead of throwing more money at the art department or into e-sports. We can't have that!
AirKingNeo2 votesI mean we haven't had an real balance changes in months.
What a stagnant meta.
Void Kaiju2 votesPersonally felt that lately things have been stabilizing and looking up. Lot of the awful madness instakill champs nerfed, other picks starting to spread their wings, bots still opened for a lot of new champs without ADC being completely unpickable. It's decent. Nerfs and buffs are based off of lots of data, not just your games. It's important to keep that in mind.
Horse Grenades1 votesCompletely agree, but you gonna get downvotes
Shablagoo1 votesWhich nerfs haven't been deserved?
LuckyZedge1 votesso why is lucian so weak
Ahris1 votesRiot ruined Ahri, I agree.
Summonah123691 votesYou don't even need to mention that this is your honest opinion. We are all already aware of this issue.
Jack Garrus1 votesMeanwhile 
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[zombie-nunu-bummed]
Blossom of Time1 votesI really wish that they would just hire some people from the community who've played it for a long time for like 6+ years. If I were on the balance team, league would be thrown into a whole new LEAGUE of changes. Starting with balancing the assassin class, reverting adc changes, removing some unfavorable items from ad's in general and nerfing champions that get too much spotlight than others. I would buff champion resistances to survive longer and make sure that everyone has an enjoyable experience. Of course I will balance everything according to community feedback and polls to see which champions you guys feel needs changing. I don't know why the balance team at present doesn't do this but oh well.
Paroe1 votesI really wish that they would just hire some people from the community who've played it for a long time for like 6+ years. If I were on the balance team, league would be thrown into a whole new LEAGUE of changes. Starting with balancing the assassin class, reverting adc changes, removing some unfavorable items from ad's in general and nerfing champions that get too much spotlight than others. I would buff champion resistances to survive longer and make sure that everyone has an enjoyable experience. Of course I will balance everything according to community feedback and polls to see which champions you guys feel needs changing. I don't know why the balance team at present doesn't do this but oh well.
Riot doesnt treat high-skill players like theyre worth a damn, just go take a look at how they treated Nightblue3 - reaching out, canceling without notice, reaching out again, canceling without notice again, ghosting... If somone in power is rotten, it reflects on the company itself being rotten. Hell, the stuff with Lyte is proof of that. He created a system to protect people like him, and actually got rid of a fair and just system.
Śhunpo1 votesI've been waiting almost 2 fucking years for Kat's Shunpo to lose the cast time. Still hasn't happened. Thank you Rito gaemz.
Onandaga1 votesEveryone is ruining this game.
