This champion literally stays in lane spamming his Q at no cost. The moment you try to do something about his passive and uninteractive gameplay, he clicks R to run away and TPs back to lane to continue his Q spam. Why this champion is even in the game blows my mind. High mobility, high damage, EXTREMELY safe, wave clear and the list goes on.
I'd rather face 
than 
any day of the week.
BoilTheOil54 votesyou know you have a champion too its not like you cant do anything
13900 Essence27 votesWhat are you talking about, he just opens mid the instant he sees ekko in the game. /s
Arkael48 votesWhile I will 100% agree that Ekko doesn't need any buffs are you serious? Ekko is annoying early to mid game but it is easy to CC him through his ulty. Meanwhile Caitlyn hids behind her frontline headshot critting for 1500 xD. I would much rather deal with a fed Ekko then caitlyn. Atleast I don't feel like anti siege/sieging is impossible against Ekko lol.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo6 voteshowever since cait attack speed growth nerfs came in she dropped 4% in win rate to below 50% ... ekko has steady just been under 50% so maybe a slight tweak is ok... he struggles a bit ...
and with the direct nerfs to cait and the buffs to lethality again she falls down a behind twitch, draven, mf and jihn/varus will be back and now cait is nerfed it gives room for vayne to rise up
GayFluffyUnicorn3 votesYes and it is good that ekko struggles. Which he doesn't even really do. He is a pretty popular pick in high dia+. He IS strong and safe and what he really needs is a rework.
Acheron161 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IO9qPrqe,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-07-15T01:19:56.978+0000)
however since cait attack speed growth nerfs came in she dropped 4% in win rate to below 50% ... ekko has steady just been under 50% so maybe a slight tweak is ok... he struggles a bit ...
and with the direct nerfs to cait and the buffs to lethality again she falls down a behind twitch, draven, mf and jihn/varus will be back and now cait is nerfed it gives room for vayne to rise up
I'll be honest.
Ever since he was nerfed last time, I haven't seen him struggle. AT ALL.
For once, he seems balanced, why mess with him just for the sake of pro play? He will be nerfed soon enough if the changes go through.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesyet the post was HE SHOULD NEVER BE BUFFED
and my argument is he sits below 50% win rate
so to say a champ should NEVER BE BUFFED would be stupid... and champs all have ebb n flow... meta shits . etc...
at one point was be broken ? yea of course... but people confused that time to now and he is FAR FAR from when he was broken
nGio1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IO9qPrqe,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2017-07-16T00:46:45.335+0000)
yet the post was HE SHOULD NEVER BE BUFFED
and my argument is he sits below 50% win rate
so to say a champ should NEVER BE BUFFED would be stupid... and champs all have ebb n flow... meta shits . etc...
at one point was be broken ? yea of course... but people confused that time to now and he is FAR FAR from when he was broken
I think that people are cool with the "ebb n flow", but we still have nightmares of what these champs can do when they're too strong. The problem with balancing some of the new kits is that they get out of fucking control in places they weren't intended to go or with items they weren't intended to use.
Buffing champions like Ekko or Fizz can turn shit sideways and upside down in a hurry, because their kits have a lot of cool shit.
We just saw the unstoppable tank Ekko not too long ago, and I'm still burned out on it. Why not bring back Mundo or Ryze or some other shitter that we can hate for a few months first?
Gone by Night3 votesHow are you going to CC Ekko when he ults? He becomes untargetable.
aqours fanboy1 votesWatch his clone and predict it.
Gone by Night4 votes??? How does that help. His R can't be cancelled. He'll TP and heal/deal damage anyways.
aqours fanboy8 votesWhen he ults, he goes to his clone, you can just meet him there. Can't count the times I just wait for an Ekko to ult out of a fight and I just wham him. It's pretty straightforward when you keep calm in the team fight.
Gone by Night4 votesYou're missing a point here completely...
aqours fanboy5 votesWhat point did I miss?
Unless he activated his W you just watch his clone and when he teleports to it, just unload on him as he arrives. If you are too close to him, yeah you'll take damage and he'll heal, but that is remedied by spreading out and not fighting near his clone.
Like I said before, in team fights, whenever I am against an Ekko, I'm focusing on my team but also keeping tabs on the clone. Nothing to it.
GayFluffyUnicorn4 votesSo a teamfight for you looks only like that: 1v5 ekko and you all stand there and watch him ulting to kill him. He never has a team, you never lost a few members, he just stands there and waits for you to kill him, he has no abilities or items. Strange teamfights against an ekko you have.
aqours fanboy3 votesA team fight is me focusing down the heavy damage dealers. For me, Ekko is a heavy damage dealer. I let my front line engage, I'm watching for the ADC and all that other nonsense, but Ekko's clone can very well change the outcome of a fight. If I'm always watching it and he ults, I know exactly where he'll be and me (and hopefully my team if they all did not focus incorrectly) can converge and land a kill and take out a heavy damage dealer.
tophit1 votesI think the guy is trying to say that Ekko is an early game assassin who, because he's an assassin, does lots of damage. He also has a low cooldown on his waveclear ability. And if you catch him out with CC, skill, whatever, he'll ult straight out of it. Late game, yeah, you can get him after the ult in a teamfight. But the fact that Ekko can even have his teamfight is kind of unfair considering how safe his aggression is in the early game.
aqours fanboy2 votesI understand Ekko's high damage, but people should understand that this damage is quite slow and takes quite alot of time.
In terms of his CD, 9s is not low. If you catch him in CC, he's dead unless you don't have the burst. He is horrid against people like Zed or Diana or Talon, or any mages that can snare and straight up one shot burst his entire being. If you are playing someone like Brand expecting to kill him 1v1, then of course he gets the opportunity to escape.
Also, his aggression early is not safe at all. If you take TP and push the wave (which you should), I can say his aggression levels 1 and 2 are safe, because he can just go back, get some more mana, and be ok until he needs to back again. However, in both cases (whether he takes ignite or tp) if he focuses ONLY on the wave, he cannot really spend time trading. Using Q so much takes alot of mana, and if he uses his E and W in a trade that he did not start, he is already in a bind. I already said this before, but people who out sustain him or can harass him heavily (Vlad, Ori, Cass, etc.) make his laning a bit more complicated than simply pressing Q to win like how most people here think.
His laning isn't safe at all unless he stands under tower and Qs, and Ekko only does that with this bad matchups. You'll never see an Ekko try to trade w/ Azir ever. That's just him playing the mid game.
An Undead brat1 votesLet's pretend you don't need all your abilities and CC to make him ult in the first place.
If you meet Ekkos that use their ult for damage at the start on a fight, then they suck dick and are the reason his winrate is not over 70%.
MunchCrunchLunch22 voteswhat kind of ekko spams Q and doesn't run out of mana? it takes two Qs and an auto to kill caster minions. he can be harassed? are you joking? or are you the typical loser that doesn't want to see any assassin to be meta ever?.
ChaosThief1 votesFrom what I've heard, running AP Quints, glyphs, and using a doran's ring allows for 2 Q casts to clear the wave. I haven't really done this myself, but that's what has been going around.
MunchCrunchLunch2 votesyeah 1 WAVE? HOW MUCH MANA DOES HE HAE?
ChaosThief1 votesSince I'm curious of the math myself, let's see...
Q's cooldown at level 1 is 9 seconds, mana cost is 50. Deals 100 (+90% AP) damage to targets hit by both hits.
He has a mana pool of 280 at level 1. 7 mana per 5 at level 1 as well, so +50% from doran's ring, the assumed starting item. Rounded down that's 2 mana a second.
100 mana - (218) - (3 * minions killed, which we assume is 6, so 36)
100 - 36 - 18 = total cost being 46 mana over 18 seconds.
... Damage wise I'm not seeing it, mana wise he'll run out eventually, especially with a Q max.
I'll run this through the practice tool I guess.
EDIT: it does clear the wave with minions clearing, but unless I'm missing something, he misses quite a bit of them. I had ~ 60 mana missing after the second Q.
MunchCrunchLunch2 votesif ekko spammes Q hes basically OOM. this thread is bullshit in general.
look coming from someone who has 180k mastery on ekko. I stopped playing him this season because
#1 look at his scalings. besides his ult. he doesn't scale
#2 the dude has little to no kill pressure in lane unless you get caught in both Qs.
hes too easy to shut down in team fights. the only hope is to land a multi man stun. since his damage is tied to auto attacking. he won't land enough autos to burst someone. unless idk. he ults you from hiding in a bush or something.
Timewinder4 votesyou are wrong. if you aren't doing well on ekko, you're playing him wrong.
always shove wave level 1.
running OOM on ekko does not happen if you cast your Qs smartly.
start building frost queens claim or morello into deathcap for more damage.
Telosen5 votesThe ekko that had me sweating did this. He had Frost queen's after his first back and I remember laughing. But boy did he spam Q and just farm for days, then he would try to roam. I was talon so I was luckily able to match his shove.
aqours fanboy2 votesFrost Queen on Ekko helps farming but weakens his damage so.
EDIT: Never mind. FQC actually is pretty good on Ekko. Mana regen makes it really viable on him. Hopefully the buff gives him better regen so he doesn't have to build this (unless Riot is all for this in which case I'm giving it a go)
NineTailedMystic2 votesAssassin metas tend to typically be degenerate metas.
Cosmic Warper10 votes"uninteractive hurr durr" You whine about uninteractive gameplay yet orianna is okay being a near lane bully and extra safe. Thank god no other place circlejerks as hard as the boards. No wonder riot posts on reddit more often.
Vapor Wave Vibes7 votesIs pretty annoying that he can spam q early game like that.
Cosmic Warper20 votesIs pretty annoying that he can spam q early game like that.
9s cd isn't really spammable and it takes two Qs with a very specific rune and mastery setup to even kill casters from afar.
ChaosThief1 votesIf I recall, AP quints, glyphs, and a doran's ring. I still agree that it isn't spammable, though.
SH Azykan1 votesit also takes 7 AP reds
ChaosThief1 votesJesus christ that's one hell of a sacrifice.
The only thing you're free to use anything with is seals.
NineTailedMystic3 votesBut when does a competent Ekko player not take those Runes and Masteries?
Telosen5 votesIronically I just faced an Ekko yesterday who had me under tower at level 1. The only way I was able to even keep up was to spam my W as Talon in response. I was legit baffled because I had never seen an Ekko do that to me before. We still beat him in the end but early on it was ridiculous. Any champ with very expensive wave clear could never keep up.
Danjeng1 votesIt's not fair to just pinpoint a single ability in Ekko's kit. They work in conjunction. We got to look at the whole picture. Ekko's Q applies two stacks of his passive, which allows him to pick them off with auto attacks. This makes for mana efficient wave clear, unlike someone like Ryze who has to use multiple abilities to whittle down a wave. You're right it's not exactly spammable like Cassiopeia's E, but he throws it out as each wave approaches.
Ekko is able to shove out waves quite hard, and will force a few minions to the enemy's turret.
Sejeo9 votesBut nearly every mid laner can take out a wave in seconds :(
Limrick5 votesNot that early, Ekko has similar waveclear to most mages throughout the game, better than quite a few of them in fact.
Dream High1 votesI feel like Ekko doesn't have as much mana problems as other mid laners. I can't think of many who can spam Q( or whatever wave clear ability) right off the bat every time it's off CD without mana issues.
Dani El Pezglobo1 votesWell syndra q is really low cd , same to annie and ahri but main problem is this abilities arent so powerfull pushing at early game
NineTailedMystic1 votesAhri's Q is a static 7 second cooldown. It doesn't scale with rank.
Dani El Pezglobo1 votesyep but mana cost at eraly is high
Cosmic Warper1 votesIt's not fair to just pinpoint a single ability in Ekko's kit. They work in conjunction. We got to look at the whole picture. Ekko's Q applies two stacks of his passive, which allows him to pick them off with auto attacks. This makes for mana efficient wave clear, unlike someone like Ryze who has to use multiple abilities to whittle down a wave. You're right it's not exactly spammable like Cassiopeia's E, but he throws it out as each wave approaches.
Ekko is able to shove out waves quite hard, and will force a few minions to the enemy's turret.
So orianna, syndra, ahri, TF, malzahar, anivia, xerath, ziggs, lux, etc. all need to be nerfed because they have an easy to use waveclear spell? Ekko needs to get into melee range to even pop his passive, and if you get hit by both parts of his Q you 100% deserve it.
Danjeng2 votesNo! I'm not saying Ekko needs nerfs at all!
I'm saying Ekko is capable of clearing waves well. I am not saying that other champions cannot clear waves well. At what point did I suggest he needed to be nerfed? I gave an objective statement that Ekko can indeed push waves using minimal mana by making good use of his kit, that it's not just his Q.
Ultrios3 votes[{quoted}](name=Cosmic Warper,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IO9qPrqe,comment-id=0000000000020002,timestamp=2017-07-15T04:09:39.272+0000)
So orianna, syndra, ahri, TF, malzahar, anivia, xerath, ziggs, lux, etc. all need to be nerfed because they have an easy to use waveclear spell? Ekko needs to get into melee range to even pop his passive, and if you get hit by both parts of his Q you 100% deserve it.
Now in all fairness, as someone who plays a lot of xerath and has laned many times against Ekko I can tell you this.
Xerath is supposed to have massive waveclear. Same with Ziggs, who I've also played a decent chunk of. Early on, before your mana item, you cannot contend with Ekko's wavecelar with ziggs or xerath. You end up under your turret trying to max range waveclear without letting him jump on you for too much harass. This is a tender and difficult lane for you until you get some mana and levels and can then clear the wave back.
In addition to that, by using your waveclear you are heavily opened up to harass from Ekko if you're not very careful. It's a fairly oppressive lane that gets extremely bad if he gets ahead.
Not a very fun lane.
My Waifu Vanilla2 votesYou literally just need like 60 AP and level 7 to kill the entire wave with 2 Qs from off screen (since level 7 gives you a short enough cd).
Cosmic Warper1 votes[{quoted}](name=My Waifu Chocola,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IO9qPrqe,comment-id=000000000003,timestamp=2017-07-15T02:42:28.094+0000)
You literally just need like 60 AP and level 7 to kill the entire wave with 2 Qs from off screen (since level 7 gives you a short enough cd).
it's not "off screen", and 2 Qs takes like 10s at level 7. Orianna and syndra can clear the waves much faster.
My Waifu Vanilla1 votesIt is well outside any mid laners realm of influence and it doesn't matter if they clear it faster when Ekko will still kill the entire wave before it crashes into his tower regardless. Also 2 Q's from Ekko costs much less than 2 Q's from Syndra/Ori+a W/E.
Cosmic Warper3 votes[{quoted}](name=My Waifu Chocola,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=IO9qPrqe,comment-id=00000000000300000000,timestamp=2017-07-15T18:21:00.982+0000)
It is well outside any mid laners realm of influence and it doesn't matter if they clear it faster when Ekko will still kill the entire wave before it crashes into his tower regardless. Also 2 Q's from Ekko costs much less than 2 Q's from Syndra/Ori+a W/E.
Orianna and syndra build lost chapter. Ekko doesn't.
Also at level 9: 2 Ekko Qs: 180 mana Orianna QWQ = 180 mana Syndra QWQ = 230 mana
