ADC: 
8600 gold
Mage: 
9800 gold
AD assassin: 
8900 gold
AP assassin: 
9050 gold
Tank: 
8700 gold
Auto attack Bruiser: 
10433 gold (no wonder they are the worst class right now
Juggernaut: 
9100gold
Enchanter: 
6600 gold
Tank support: 
6700 gold
Weiss Guertena94 votesFor supports it's fine having cheaper items due to having less gold income by default. ADC's, the supposedly "late game carries", having cheaper core AND full builds than mages, assassins, tanks and fighters? That is just bullshit.
AirKingNeo4 votesExcept they've buffed support gold income and lower support item closes by way too much.
LankPants2 votesSupports still only have ~75% of the income of a farming role, their items cannot be the same price.
AirKingNeo2 votesexcept support items are too effective.
Teridax687 votesI agree with this. For the longest time, marksmen being the game's carry class was somewhat justified by their builds costing the most gold, and their power being pretty low until they got 3-4 items' worth of synergistic stats. Currently, though, not only do many marksmen start spiking at 2 items, they also get to reach their core faster than any other non-support class. There is no justification for the power curve they enjoy now relative to everyone else.
Ultimately it boils down to one critical question: should marksmen be a carry class? If so, then they need to be balanced like actual carries, and go back to having terrible early game power and a curve that only spikes late. If not, then they should not collectively have access to nearly as much late-game power as they do now. Personally, I'm in favor of the latter, because I think trying to apply the same power curve to an entire class of champions is harmful to diversity, and often directly contradicts individual kits, where some champions are pretty much guaranteed to curve earlier or later than others. This applies to all other classes as well, who I think should have carries on par with marksmen in addition to early- and mid-focused champions, and because of this I think income and item costs need to be equalized across the board.
Critmaster Garen39 votesit still baffles me that zeal items dont cost 2900 and 3000 gold for 
marksmen should come online at 4 to 5 items aswell, not at 3 items before the mid laner, and the top laner.
especially when you consider how snowbally bot lane is. a double kill on an adc right now means turret first blood on bot, usally means hes going to finish his third item when youre finishing your second item.
might actually be a good idea to make 
items exclusive like 
items.
Dasdi9611 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zEGlB4Og,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-12-03T20:36:50.604+0000)
it still baffles me that zeal items dont cost 2900 and 3000 gold for
marksmen should come online at 4 to 5 items aswell, not at 3 items before the mid laner, and the top laner.
especially when you consider how snowbally bot lane is. a double kill on an adc right now means turret first blood on bot, usally means hes going to finish his third item when youre finishing your second item.
might actually be a good idea to make
It used to be that way, but then adcs mains whined that they are not bursting tanks at 3 items and no last whisper, so riot actually catered to them.
AirKingNeo6 votes2800 at least man. PD can be 3000 until it gets nerfed.
If zeal items were unique and exclusive, then what the fuck would ADCs build to reach 70-80% crit? No Twitch or Tristana wants Essence Reaver. Seriously, can you at least consider this before saying something that sounds that stupid?
Critmaster Garen39 votesIf zeal items were unique and exclusive, then what the fuck would ADCs build to reach 70-80% crit?
nothing, and stop at 50% like they used to? the fact that they can become yasuo at 3 items is part of the reason why there so stupid right now.
these zeal items were never made so adc can just stack them all. they were supposed to create item diversity for adc by making them chose between WHICH of them they want.
either better duelling with pd, or better poke with rapid fire, or better waveclear with shiv, or aoe teamfighting with hurricane.
it was never intended that they just stack rapid fire and shiv, and run around bursting the fuck out of people by getting both on hit procs and an i.e. crit.
at least passives should be made unique again.
AirKingNeo4 votesWhat the fuck do you mean? ADCs always built double Zeal + IE. Most build PD + Shiv + IE or PD + PD + IE.
I agree. Shiv + RFC shouldn't work. They should disable another like Mikeal's passive and Athene's passive.
Critmaster Garen29 votesWhat the fuck do you mean? ADCs always built double Zeal + IE. Most build PD + Shiv + IE or PD + PD + IE.
I agree. Shiv + RFC shouldn't work. They should disable another like Mikeal's passive and Athene's passive.
most adc 3 item builds used to look like this.
IF the adc ever built another zeal item it was 5th or 6th item. but more likely to be 
their 6 item builds looked like this
(g.a. not adding to their damage)
stacking phantom dancers was more considered to be a troll build even back then, or only viable when the adc snowballed to insane levels.
for the longest time (and i mean for years), this was 100% the build every single adc built every single game. riot wasnt happy with the situation and wanted item diversity for marksmen. so they made the other zeal items as an alternative to phantom dancers. marksmen were supposed to decide which of these items they want from game to game, like we decide which boots we build every game.
but now that adc have so much additional protection from their supports and sustain from them , and keystones like warlords until a couple weeks back (which riot intents to bring back).
theyre mostly skipping a lifesteal item and just go straight to double zeal + i.e. instead. theyre shredding people with an armor item that isnt randuins even without a last whisper. that was never the intention.
nerfs add onto the problem. you cant punish a marksman who goes straight crit without lifesteal by building the item anymore like you could back in season 3 when it still reflected 30% damage. even after the addition of grievous wounds, the damage return on thornmail was nerfed so heavily, that it counters lifesteal even less than before they added the debuff. much less punishes adc without lifesteal items and 3 crit items instead.
SooFr0sty3 votesWell cork ez went triforce which was built out of zeal back then too
Provengreil5 votesthey've always* been kinda the offshoots in ADC itemization though, haven't they? I mean, not only do they enjoy sheen procs, but they could even pull an ap lichbane build and not be trolling.
FWIW, I've been suggesting riot hard-cap crit at 50% and allow yasuo passive to push it to, say, 80(absent a buff somewhere else, he IS designed partilly around the concept after all). I think that would have a huge effect in toning down ADCs since they wouldn't get crits nearly every attack, which pumps damage so high. *At least since I joined in preseason 4
Hong Kong Annie20 votesIs it against the law to not have 100% crit or something? ADCs used to only have like 50% then build BT into old GA and they still dealt the most damage in a fight
Nemophilist6 voteswhat type of circlejerk is going on in this thread? First of all all those core items are very situational in a lot of cases and depend heavily on the champion.
Second of all, online at 5 items? Games are over by 15 minutes now. 5 items is way too late.
Mages come online at 3 items? What? Mages come online level 3 or 6, infact, they usually arent even item dependent, they scale good with exp, hence you put them mid.
Penns26 votesAlso these 3 ap assassin items are just mage items, daily reminder to give ap assassins items :]
RavenMagus12 votesWell 
exists
...and nothing else
(though to be honest, even as an AP assassin player I'd rather see duskblade get removed over getting an AP version of it myself)
Salron20 votes"Why does the lowest income role in the game have the cheapest items?" ?_?
Pentium217 votesThere is so much wrong in this post.
Most adc's dmg spike is at 3 item while the rest of the "classes" you categorized is at 1 or 2 (didn't we see people murdering everone with a duskblade only), also which adc builds double zeal with IE as it's first 3 items?
Tristana maybe? I can not really think of anything else that would go for it.
Boards at it's finest with bent information again.
flibitydoo7 votesyeah it looks like OP actually thinks you need 3 big items to be at core state and just picked them at random based on what the recommended page put up. Pretty much the entire OP is just blatant evidence that OP has no idea what a core item build is or how they work.
Actual core item builds are stuff like season 4 renekton and shyvana top, who only needed only a ravenous hydra and that was your only core offensiveitem. everything else was a tank item at that point meant to outscale their opponent defensively (but none of it was necessary) because you had all the offensive power you needed to kill everyone with that glorious cleaving mace. mages hit a similar powerspike as well with athene's unholy grail where it gave literally every stat they needed, and every item past that was a numbers race to get more damage to match the enemy defence. vayne's core item was for the longest time blade of the ruined king. everything else past that wasn't necessary beyond further numbers racing. Akali's core item for a very long time is gunblade. the vampirism and hybrid stats it offers a very big spike to her damage/sustain when she needs it the most to be the strongest champ she can be.
and none of those builds are "3 items" large.
Also the title is the dumbest thing "supports scale the hardest"??????? besides the fact that no support "needs" their items to throw their cc and shields up the whole supports scale the hardest is farthest from the truth. They scale the worst, and if you had to make team comps composed of 5 of one class of champion, 5 dedicated supports building supportive items would literally be the worst compared to every other team of class.
Sire Hippington17 votesWell. to be fair, the much more realistic items for Aps are:
mage: 
8650g
assasin: 
8350
Though it's certainly said that rabbadons doesn't realisticaly fit into a 3 item spike for mages, and the most alarming thing is that bruisers have by far the most expensive built and yet manage to scale worse than about anyone else into late aside from splitpushing
AirKingNeo16 votesWhen was Deathcap part of mages three item core?
Critmaster Garen21 votesWhen was Deathcap part of mages three item core?
for 4 years before season 5 i think.
AirKingNeo5 votesWell, the post is talking about now, so mentioning Deathcap is pointless.
Critmaster Garen18 votesWell, the post is talking about now, so mentioning Deathcap is pointless.
its not pointless. deathcap as a core item for mages is still the equivalent of infinity edge as a core item for marksmen.
the fact that its just so expensive comparable to marksmen builds that they usually dont get to it before the game ends, just makes their core item a shitty buy and not less of a core item.
Hópe2 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zEGlB4Og,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-03T21:51:38.793+0000)
its not pointless. deathcap as a core item for mages is still the equivalent of infinity edge as a core item for marksmen.
the fact that its just so expensive comparable to marksmen builds that they usually dont get to it before the game ends, just makes their core item a shitty buy and not less of a core item.
I dont know what you've been playing but death cap is not core. The stats on other items are better.
Divewing4 votesThat brings up the issue of WHY though.
Deathcap kinda SHOULD be core, the fact that it isn't suggests a problem then and there
SociopathFriend1 votesHow so? Last I knew, the point of Deathcap was to be the, "I'm ahead and have the money to buy a big gun to stay ahead" sort of item. The item offers nothing but raw AP- why should it be core over literally any item?
Critmaster Garen3 votesHow so? Last I knew, the point of Deathcap was to be the, "I'm ahead and have the money to buy a big gun to stay ahead" sort of item. The item offers nothing but raw AP- why should it be core over literally any item?
just like infinity edge for marksmen, deathcap is the largest raw stat multiplier for mages.
attack speed, critical strike chance, and critical strike damage all multiply each other with ad. deathcap fulfills the same purpose in a mage build as an ap multiplier together with cdr.
if you think about it, an infinity edge rush should make as little sense as a deathcap rush, as the item should only become really effective with other sources of crit and ad built first.
yet, marksmen usually complete it as second item these days next to a basic zeal or stattic shiv.
Hibeki15 votesBecause riot blatantly favorites adc's and have for the last 4 seasons
AirKingNeo4 votesAdcs, tanks, and supports*
Divewing3 votesRiot doesn't favour tanks or supports.
They are simply the ones that NEED to be able to at least pseudo-handle ADCs to have the game resemble a semblance of balance.
A true tank meta hasn't existed since OG cinderhulk. Every "Tank meta" since has actually been an ADC meta, where tanks become necessity by default.
AirKingNeo1 votesOk, then why hasn't Lulu been nerfed? Why is Maokai getting a wrist-slap for being super broken?
Divewing1 votesI told you why. It's so that ADCs don't 1v5 everything.
It's not that they don't want to nerf them, it's that they CAN'T nerf them, otherwise the entire game will be decided by the ADC (this is not an exaggeration)
AirKingNeo2 votesWait. You're a hypocrite. Supports and tanks make adcs 1v5 everything. Large tanks make bruisers unviable and super supports make assassins unviable, making ADC carry comps work.
Nerfing both classes brings down adcs, and I'm bringing down adcs.
Ahri Baka14 votesYet the match ends so fast that mages barely buy and 
and feel useless all the time because users are way too much snowbally and giving mages no chance to do anything with new runes ..
Krytoric11 votesThe builds you put there are kinda biased tho, i agree ADC items are cheap, but its more like this
ADC : - 8600
Mage : - 8650
AD Assassin : - 8800
AP Assassin : - 8350
Tank : 
- 8550 (also this one is give or take boots as their main items)
then the other ones are more or less correct, but you're taking the cheapest items for ADC, then the most expensive for other classes, if you're going to make a point, at least stay consistent on the evidence you're showing.
(edit, forgot to put Black Cleaver lel)
Sujiren10 votesAdc spikes so fast that when I am playing a jugg, going deadmans second item already feels greedy, because they are close to almost 3 items by the time I get it, and I still need mr. to not get blown up by mages. Kinda makes me want to rush randuins second item on juggs tbh, +tabi just to have some actual survivability against that bullshit.
Z3Sleeper9 votesYup, that's why I don't buy Mage items mid anymore. I take smite and buy:
/ = 1625, 2200, 3200 and 2900
Total 7020g or 6725g. I come out a whopping 2000g+ ahead of my opponents at 3 items.
The utility from these items and added base damage effects to your combo for their gold cost is alot more effective than trying to enhance your AP ratios.
Sad but hey, mages have to take what they can get. The MS from FQC is amazing as is the active and Runic Echoes is a slightly weaker but literally half-price Ludens.
UpDownLeftRightAB8 votesI think there is a better question. Why did all item diversity die? People used to have item builds, now it's each class has A item build or B item build.
Saitho Orihara7 votesI'd say that ADC build cost is so low and it get worst if you count that they are in majority scaling champs that are suppose to get online after 3 items buuuuut they got Triumph,First Turret Blood (And Bot Turret being weaker earlier means it's easier and calls for a lot of Jungle pressure early on for that First Turret Blood) and Klepto if they're called Ezreal. Meaning they get a shit ton of gold really fast, meaning 3 items faster and most of them naturaly power farm and get gold priority from an organized team. So everything is in their favor.
Being a Support Main I'd say that our build cost ain't a problem, we get so little gold compare to all the other role + the many control ward that we buy almost every time we recall, the cost clearly ain't the problem. The problem is how many other roles can peel the ADC, Toplane is most of time fill with Tanks and in the midlane Mages are still very popular, not that strong but popular. And we all know that Tanks and Mages have some kind of peeling tool or CC either hard CC or not. So assassins have a really hard time doing their job, even if they get fed of Hexdrinker/Nullifying orb shenanigans against mages.
I have a One Trick Zilean Mid as a friend, if our ADC is a minimum good at positionning it's almost game over if we don't get camp bot because of how much peel he gets. It's for that reasons ADC can rush 3 offensive items back to back without buying lifesteal or any other kind of survability, not just the support but other carries, jungle, top and mid don't get only fast enough so they just peel for the ADC getting his big damage so earlier then them, I don't blame them, even If I was, I don't know, a Riven, I would either suicide mission kill the ADC or peel for my ADC because my damage is nothing to his.
Are real monsters and they all got some kind of self peel (Except Twitch but his a invicible Team Killing machine, no need for peel when the entire enemy team is dead)
Are pretty terrible to play against, I main Rakan and even myself fully admit how stupid I feel, I've won game by failling engages and just shield and heal the ADC. Sona and Karma are really annoying to lane against and the worst part is that they kind of scale well into the mid game. Lulu is just Lulu, screw Lulu such a living annoyance.
I'd say we can up the ADC total build cost Riot and do something about Zeal items, maybe making it like Tiamat or someting. And don't get me started on "Oh but they won't get their 100%" they seriously don't need it, an ADC can do so much damage without critting every AA.
Handy Sandy 7 votes are actual core items and that = 8150
nobody ever buys dcap except like veigar
to be fair ADCs are underleveled while everyone in solo lanes have at least a couple levels above them which gives them an advantage with their stat growth and ability level ups.
SinofAtlas5 votesI will say that it is just for a support to have cheap items because they are not "allowed" to cs. I'm not a support player by any means but I think it is fair for them to have cheap items. ADC's on the other hand. I play them a ton and I agree that their items are a bit too cheap.
Pinkaj5 votesSupports I can understand why it's cheap, since they don't farm. But the cheap adc items have been at it for a while now.
Yordle Xayah5 votesWhile I understand what you mean, this post is ignoring entirely Gold Efficiency and focuses only on total cost, and that's not how the game works.
ADC5LUT5 votesDcap being a core item on a mage rofl. xD The only mage that builds Dcap is veigar lol.
Durzaka5 voteswait what? Mage core is not Morello Liandry Rabadon. No one is buying Rabadon right now until they are INSANELY ahead.
Same for tanks, no one is building Sunfire, and Randuins is counterbuilding, not core. If anything Randuins should be a Dead Man's.
Clementine4 votesBecause supports have the lowest gold income?
Sexy Jack Rabbit4 votesWould really be core for AP assassins?
I'd say would be considerably more core.
