"We reworked kha and rengat because 1 shot from stealth was unfair."

Dasdi96·Nov 10, 2016·160 votes·8,148 views

168 Comments

Supreme Senpai69Nov 10, 201620 votes

Khazix and Rengar can still basically do that. But now Talon and Vayne can too :/

VisthaNov 10, 201631 votes

Talon could do that before. Now not so much anymore.

Supreme Senpai69Nov 10, 201617 votes

I dunno man his passive with the 3 hits makes me bleed more than a girls locker room

VisthaNov 10, 20166 votes

"One-shot" is the keyword.

His passive taking 2 full seconds to deal the whole damage is nowhere near "one-shot".

Supreme Senpai69Nov 10, 20169 votes

It's pretty near one-shot even if not a one shot itself
The term one-shot doesn't relate to time but rather abilities
The league community has pretty much changed the definition of the word one-shot to mean a single rotation of abilities
I said "basically one-shot," not literally one shot

Sorry if that comes across as rude. I just hate when people are super technical to a fault. No reason for it

ShaolinToiletNov 10, 20165 votes

If that's the case then nearly every champion can 1 shot.

MohawkBirdNov 11, 20164 votes

No, the term one shot has a lot to do with time. If you consider it having to do with abilities, than Singed can just "1-shot" because all he has to do is press Q once.

Supreme Senpai69Nov 11, 20165 votes

No, it has an average relation to time. They aren't completely unrelated, because like you said, Singed is a very specific example that requires lots of time. That's how it's related. Nothing more and nothing less. They aren't strongly related. That's a specific example for the sole sake of trying to prove my post wrong :/

There is a massive difference between 2 seconds and 30 seconds. Surely you see that

GULAG 4 UNov 11, 20169 votes

"me bleed more than a girl's locker room"

CalabokNov 10, 201617 votes

she cant kill you in one shot.

RalanrNov 10, 201666 votes

There actually is a one shot build.

PennsNov 10, 20164 votes

Now with duskblade there are two.. rip

RalanrNov 10, 201612 votes

Le sigh...it's gonna be late season 5 all over again.

Need Gold 4 TentNov 10, 201628 votes

I'm gonna take a stab and guess: Vayne item 3078 item 3147 item 3031 item 3087 item 3006 item 3142 ?

tried that in a bots game, not much difference because duskblade only gave a 100 damage proc per ulted tumble, and well, with regards to the tumble damage, not much more than a regular Vayne item 3031 item 3046 item 3006 item 3087 item 3072 item 3036 crit build. At a much lower dps, since you have to wait the whole stealth duration.

A typical burst combo (against stupid bots though) was tumble out of bushes without ult (that counts as hidden), ult and tumble again, wait and shoot. That usually gets them dead but mainly due to the physical portion of the damage rather than the measly 100 true damage.

5000000000000000Nov 10, 20161 votes

What about stacking lethality?

Need Gold 4 TentNov 11, 20161 votes

item 3147 item 3814 item 3142 and runes 12

thats 3 items invested in lethality that have neither crit nor AS, for a measly 174 true damage proc per tumble duriing ult. Thats a huge dps drop for vayne

KingnewgameplusNov 11, 20162 votes

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the lethality on those 3 items unique? As in, the wouldn't stack?

MogarlNov 11, 20167 votes

The lethality is unique to each item. The lethality will stack from all of them, but you can't stack lethality buying multiples of the same item.

RavenMagusNov 10, 20162 votes

That was the build before Duskblade was changed, when it gave her a Zed ult.

Now it's not nearly as good IMO. But you can still build full crit and do 1600+ damage tumble crits late game.

Mael broNov 10, 20163 votes

"tried that in a bots game..." Finished reading

ShaolinToiletNov 10, 201658 votes

Dont think you could finish reading all of it anyways.

dragon1xxNov 10, 201627 votes

http://i.imgur.com/KdTus6M.gif?noredirect

General Esdeath Nov 11, 201615 votes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/194248603697545217/246467010907602944/Forgot_the_pixels.jpg

DeathBot666Nov 10, 20169 votes

What?!?!?!

Someone tried a build they have never done before in bots before going into a game where you could feed actual people and upset actual allies?

What a surprise!!!!!

Need Gold 4 TentNov 11, 20166 votes

Not a very accurate measure though, since some builds are impossible to complete against competent players, even if the full build actually works. I could go 21/0 AD Soraka there, and never get to finish even 1 big item if I tried it for real.

But if you practice mechanics there regularly, you do get a feel for the champ and any slight changes to build or setup, you can sort of sense how it affects your play.

Hinagiku33Nov 10, 20164 votes

I just played against a Vayne that built: Vayne item 3147 item 3814 item 3087 . Just completely wrecked us.

It's probably the Lethality combined with the Q bonus damage and auto-attack always crit'ing at the same time now. The bonus true damage on top just helps.

Earl EulrichNov 10, 201611 votes

to be fair, kha and rengar both also still oneshot...

The 99th ProblemNov 10, 20163 votes

Amen, an unfed kha zix 1 shot me as vayne.... while exhausted....

dominusxNov 10, 20165 votes

you spoute bs. Khazix' doesnt have the dmg to completely oneshot someone atm even with tld if he was behind he wouldnt even tickle vaynes ovaries.he is still feast or famine he just has more utilty at the cost of burst his new Q is nowwhere near his old Q. A fed kha zix just like every FED CHAMPION will oneshot. Also i doubt rengar will oneshot you without the kills for his passive. If you talk about a late game scenario where everyone has items i'll tell you a little piece of advice kda doesnt matter in late game your 40kills are as usefull as lich bane on a caitlyn.

VisthaNov 10, 201610 votes

if he was behind he wouldnt even tickle vaynes ovaries

Oooh... Please elaborate.

SpoofghoulNov 10, 20161 votes

You see he evolved camouflage and sneaked in to tickle them

VisthaNov 10, 20162 votes

THAT small?

No wonder he hides among brushes the whole time. I'd be embarrassed too.

GULAG 4 UNov 11, 20163 votes

It's quite NSFW fanfict lol

Feed DaddyNov 11, 20162 votes

Is this guy retarded Kha got massively buffed. Not only by kit buffs but by removing the small minions from red and blue.

Now he can just walk around and 1 shot everything.

And his shitty passive now scales with AD and is good lmao.

ƒoesNov 10, 20163 votes

he is still feast or famine

Elaborate?

A friend of mine has been playing Kha'Zix for 2 and a half years and he's rarely had a problem with feast or famine regardless of how good or bad Kha'Zix has been in the many meta shifts we've seen for those past years. 95% of the time he gets fed, figuratively sells his Giants Belt so he can take off his pants and literally shit on the entire enemy team. Not once can I recall he's been in a situation where he's fed his ass out or done nothing for the team.

Yasuo (and I hate to be that guy), however, is feast or famine. If he's behind he can't really do much but build a Tank Yasuo build and hope for the best, but if he's ahead he'll be fisting the enemy team with wind. Either my friend is just crazy good at Kha'Zix or Kha'Zix isn't as feast or famine as you may think.

Whut Thuh Nov 11, 20162 votes

riot took things that have been in league for its entirity and ripped it up drew the exact same thing with a new name and called it balanced

Sire HippingtonNov 10, 20167 votes

And yet Rengar just keeps doing it and kah only needs to be slightly ahead to do that...those reworks obviously hit the mark. also Twitch , not directly a oneshot, but still kills squishys in barely a sec come to lategame....

LeblonshNov 11, 20165 votes

My actual death screen was one auto from Vayne... and the damage was 1185 in 0.00 seconds

Sup im CarrierNov 10, 20163 votes

[deleted]

HyperiönNov 10, 20164 votes

Nothing wrong with Zed, he is in need of a buff. His winrate was at like 47% before the update, and he got nerfed with the patch, so.

Battlecast SonaNov 10, 201611 votes

winrate != balance state

A character with a 48% winrate can be balanced if their kit is difficult to utilize properly. Like how Kassadin's average winrate is like 48% but at over 15 games it spikes to something like 53%. Looking at a champ's average winrate will NEVER tell you how balanced that champion is because it can't account for the experienced vs unexperienced winrates.

Supreme Senpai69Nov 11, 20162 votes

To add on, his winrate was low because he was being banned every game and because he can be a difficult champion to play. If someone is banned 90% of games then the 10% of games he isn't banned someone is gonna play him, and that someone isn't always a Zed main. Imo a champion's true win rate can only be observed at a 0% ban rate.

KMS BismarckNov 10, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Scried Scrier,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=iuJack6B,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2016-11-10T19:49:48.084+0000)

People keep negelcting :( [zombie-nunu-bummed]

Riot nerfed him so that he let the new reworked assassin shine a little, they will buff him back after having see how good lehtality and the other assassins are :)

BlåbæretNov 11, 20164 votes

{quoted}

Riot nerfed him so that he let the new reworked assassin shine a little, they will buff him back after having see how good lehtality and the other assassins are :)

In what kind of delusional world do you live in where Zed needs buffs?

invisiblecat1Nov 10, 20163 votes

Rengar Honestly still broken and he is ult is SO often, so when your screen changes you are dead Leblanc She can W you for 400 damage, and then point and click Q you 1.5 seconds later for 800 that's not fair damage

The DeckownerNov 10, 20166 votes

TBH Leblanc feels a billion times better to play against now.

NiyumiNov 10, 20165 votes

At least LeBroken doesn't kill you within 0.02 seconds anymore.

Majin BuuuNov 11, 20163 votes

talon did not answer my expectation. however every Vayne i saw recently is like a combination of Veigar and Shaco . BAN it if u ranked higher than plat.