Twitch is a ranged aoe rengar.

Dasdi96·Aug 17, 2017·167 votes·6,153 views

We gave rengar so much shit for having little counterplay when he suicide dives every fight hoping for a kill before he goes down, yet twitch can do the same thing except from 850 range and to multiple people at once.

143 Comments

Fisher No ChainsAug 17, 201754 votes

Mmh, I'm still laughing at the fact that Evelynn got insta gutted every time she was around a 50% winrate whereas Twitch has been broken for... like 9 months now?
And Eve is melee and weak as fuck lategame lmao.

I guess he'll get nerfed once they sell enough omega squad skins.

GlîtchyAug 17, 20174 votes

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Mmh, I'm still laughing at the fact that Evelynn got insta gutted every time she was around a 50% winrate whereas Twitch has been broken for... like 9 months now?
And Eve is melee and weak as fuck lategame lmao.

I guess he'll get nerfed once they sell enough omega squad skins.

Twitch has a horrendous early game tho.

An Undead bratAug 17, 201728 votes

No he doesn't. Maybe used to.

GlîtchyAug 17, 201710 votes

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No he doesn't. Maybe used to.

I used to main him (before Lethality was introduced, stopped when it was) I still play him occasionally but his early game is still questionable af

WrÆthAug 17, 20175 votes

His early is decent although he gets shit on by mf, draven, varus, and lucian, kalista, ezreal, and jhin. His midgame sucks tho. At that point he doesn't have enough items to deal meaningful damage and just gets popped.

fééd l0rdAug 17, 20178 votes

His early is trash what are you talking?

statelesskillerAug 17, 201720 votes

his early MIGHT be trash . . .if his Es base damage at level 1 wasn't so hilarious

"oh but he has to stack it" do you know that adcs near instantly try to kill each other at level 2 like god damn clockwork? and at level 2 twitch has MORE then enough time to get the full stacks to chunk you with his E . . . which will win most 1v1 and in bot lanes case 2v2's

DuskDaUmbreonAug 17, 20178 votes

Just because the other ADC is an idiot doesn't mean that he's broken. If you constantly try to fight the fed assassin 1v1, is the assassin broken?

TormentulaAug 17, 20177 votes

If there was nothing you can do about it because the fed assassin has limited counterplay, yea.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 17, 20173 votes

If he's fed if you braindeadedly run at him?

If he has no counterplay, he is. But just because people are too stupid to fight them right doesn't mean he's busted.

TormentulaAug 17, 20177 votes

That doesn't imply braindeadedly running into them.

The issue is how braindeadedly they can run after you with or without flash, implying you're a) dead or b) fight and still dead, no options.

Not much I can do about a 3 item 0/0/0 twitch 3 shotting half the team, that's kinda my ass without being able to stop it. Being fed makes that even more hell.

WimbledofyAug 17, 20173 votes

well his early is horrendous into certain matchups, but having the right support and playing safely can fix that.

NineTailedMysticAug 17, 20177 votes

Because Evelynn's ganks are extremely obnoxious and effective.

Fisher No ChainsAug 17, 20173 votes

I understand it. But... 1) her early clear sucks, if your jungler is decent she won't be able to be so effective because he can just camp-kill her early and get free gold; 2) her damage isn't that high before she gets items; 3) she falls off super hard; 4) smart warding vs stealth junglers as a midlaner kinda fucks them up.

TormentulaAug 17, 20176 votes

Eve's level 3 clear is actually really good.

Seriously, just spam Q on raptors with talisman and you walk out as if you used a pot. Q wolves as you run past them to blue and you heal for free, smite blue and you're almost full health. If you know how to kite camps with Q and talisman she's one of the healthier clears in the jungle.

Camping and killing an eve early? If an eve is gettng counter jungled then they clearly don't play eve right since she's supposed to be spam ganking early and/or counter jungling herself. I used to main her before the announced rework and I honestly can't figure out why people consider her a hard champion, she's so binary and easy to snowball crazy in the first 3 minutes as. I've never been counter jungled as eve.. hell I don't even remember getting counter ganked because I usually cleared stupid fast and walked out level 3 full and get FB before they finish their 2nd buff.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERAug 17, 201735 votes

I think one of the main difference is yes his one for one trade but also Rengar ult also has a loud sound that also makes your screen dark on the edge so that way you know he's coming, Twitch on the other hand just suddenly shows up and fucks shit up.

TormentulaAug 17, 20175 votes

I still think it was a stupid decision to buff twitch's stealth duration back in the assassin update. Why the fuck can twitch be invisible longer than shaco or even wukong while having range.. before the stealth update it wasn't so bad because at least the stealth didn't let him go from invis tier 2 towers, to ganking half way into the lane in between tier 1 towers

Velzard of KozAug 17, 20178 votes

I still think it was a stupid decision to buff twitch's stealth duration back in the assassin update. Why the fuck can twitch be invisible longer than shaco or even wukong while having range..

Not that I would be trying to say it is fair, but you do realize Wu and Shaco have Invisibility while Twitch has Camouflage? Yes, the duration may be sick, but still comparing no wind-up immediate invisibility with slightly delayed (and interruptable as far as I know) camouflage...

TormentulaAug 17, 20177 votes

Yea, but regardless twitch's stealth is way too long, and the thing about twitch is while yes, he can be seen, he's ranged so unless he tries to grab your butt, you're not practically going to see him going around and ulting the entire team. Where as a wu or a shaco you see the clone or the "poof" warning you. Camo is good, don't get me wrong, but it works for eve or rengar where if you see them maybe you can stun or flash away in advance, with twitch he's going to pop out out of his reveal zone so the stealth indicator doesn't achieve much. Am I suggesting turn him invis? No, that would make the issue worse, but his camo either needs a bigger warning radius to make up for range or a shorter duration so like wu or shaco, you can see him preping in advance.

What I'm comparing is, twitch is safe enough with his camo to the point you don't get a camo warning and it might as well be invis, and because of its longer duration, he can prep it a far distance away unlike wu or shaco that makes seeing it coming in the first place even harder.

Velzard of KozAug 17, 20174 votes

but his camo either needs a bigger warning radius to make up for range

With this I agree, that would be probably best solution.

kile147Aug 18, 20173 votes

Just implement a warning system like Rengar. If you are within 1000 (Ult range is 850) units of him while he's in camo, you get some sort of warning there's a Twitch nearby. I've seen suggestions to make it relate to his noxious odor, but the point is that he wouldn't catch people completely flat footed but he would still be able to flank, and with his speed boost he should still be able to catch people out.

Velzard of KozAug 17, 20175 votes

Which is pretty ironic, since Rengar is the silent experienced killer while Twitch smells as fuck.

Best princess EUAug 17, 201727 votes

don't forget that twitch is rightclicking while rengar had a combo to do

AirKingNeoAug 18, 20175 votes

Doesn't matter. Skill isn't a balance point nor should be.

Dusk Mane RengarAug 18, 20174 votes

I hope you are joking.

ModWuksAug 18, 201727 votes

Twitch is one hell of a champion to deal with, and I can definitely see where his strengths are. I just wanted to step in and encourage you guys to give this post a read, Before you make a post about balance..., before commenting. As much as I love reading quality memes, this is the Gameplay sub-board and discussion should adhere to the guidelines here. Thanks, fams!

LankPantsAug 18, 201715 votes

It's not at all a meme post, Twitch comes out of stealth and deletes champions by right clicking them. This is exactly what Rengar was doing pre rework and Twitch is just as disgusting as he was.

As for the balance side of this Twitch is rated no2 amongst all champions behind only Janna according to lolalytics, I can't imagine any argument for him as a balanced champion right now.

ModWuksAug 18, 20177 votes

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It's not at all a meme post, Twitch comes out of stealth and deletes champions by right clicking them. This is exactly what Rengar was doing pre rework and Twitch is just as disgusting as he was.

As for the balance side of this Twitch is rated no2 amongst all champions behind only Janna according to lolalytics, I can't imagine any argument for him as a balanced champion right now.

"Memes" was in reference to multiple comments within this thread.

MhihnjAug 18, 20176 votes

at this point, balance has become a meme

dominusxAug 17, 20178 votes

no twitch is balance twitch is mechanics.

HyperiönAug 17, 201723 votes

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no twitch is balance twitch is mechanics.

Press R right click mechanics? Nice.

dominusxAug 17, 20176 votes

you are new to the boards? all older member know me that i hate adc role in general lmfao.

Cosmic WarperAug 17, 20179 votes

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you are new to the boards? all older member know me that i hate adc role in general lmfao.

i've been here since s4 and i don't know who you are...

An Enemy SutandoAug 17, 201712 votes

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic lol

Velzard of KozAug 17, 20177 votes

This is Gameplay, it's dangerous to be sarcastic here. That's Memelogy 101.

Tin ObliteratesAug 17, 20178 votes

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no twitch is balance twitch is mechanics.

Why is this comment downvoted, lol? It's like no one understands a joke anymore.

HosuaAug 17, 20176 votes

u dont fucking joke on the gameplay boards. this shit is serious.

BobaFlautistAug 17, 20177 votes

I mean he doesn't have a dash, a snare, or a cleanse.

Not that Twitch isn't an obnoxious little shit, but Rengar is more than burst and stealth.

kargishAug 18, 20173 votes

What kind of arguement is that? Twitch has also has things that Rengar doesn't, such as ranged autos, DoT, AoE autos and attack speed increase. What's your point?

GlîtchyAug 17, 20177 votes

Twitch was intended to be a nightmare late-game, that's how hyper carries work

JoseraphAug 17, 20179 votes

Rengar is supposed to be an assassin. What's your point?

GlîtchyAug 17, 20176 votes

Yet no one has problems with Vayne, Cait (used to) or Draven dealing stupid amounts.

dominusxAug 17, 201723 votes

Vayne is fundamentally broken she will NEVER be balanced unless reworked.

Cait numbers were broken

Draven litterally runs down on your post lane phase and he is predictable.

Dasdi96Aug 17, 20171 votes

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Yet no one has problems with Vayne, Cait (used to) or Draven dealing stupid amounts.

They are still broken. Draven does almost twice the normal adc damage at early levels, meaning he can zone you off cs. Cait still holds you hostage under your tower with her trap line. Vayne still is vayne.

GlîtchyAug 17, 20173 votes

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They are still broken. Draven does almost twice the normal adc damage at early levels, meaning he can zone you off cs. Cait still holds you hostage under your tower with her trap line. Vayne still is vayne.

Vayne, the satanic bitch, idk why people say she's hard to play, just get silver bolts and watch your opposition rage quit 1 by 1

Not xPekeAug 18, 20174 votes

Because the majority of the ADCs can just bully her alot early game. And most of the meta ADCs at a given time are almost always great picks into her.

Which in return makes her hard to play due to matchups and poor laning phase. This is also not even accounting for her short range.

Look, Vayne is really strong in the right hands, and her damage + outplay potential thanks to the invisibility can be obnoxious at time. But while this is true, she is also more mechanically challenging than most other ADCs as she has to get in close and constatly kite and have good target prioritization. Why do you think 'Vaynespotting' even came to exist? Because playing Vayne put you in that position. It's hard to do things like run into 5 enemies on Cait considering you're standing miles farther back than Vayne does (for example).

She also brings close to nothing else for her team other than damage. Other ADCs have utility, longer range, sieging potential, tower taking, objective control, etc etc. Which just makes their work easier as they have something they excel at or can offer other than just damage and trying to assassinate people when if ahead or managed to scale.

Tobias BracknerAug 17, 20175 votes

Twitch can't hide away in the jungle and farm up.

Pretty sure Twitch needs more items than Rengar did when he was really busted.

Twitch's steal is way worse than Rengar's, making it way harder to pick a specific target.

FairyfleurAug 18, 20173 votes

... What? Twitch jungle is played specifically so he can farm up and melt the enemy team.

BârdAug 17, 20175 votes

Nope. Their play patterns are quite different.

Rengar deletes one squishy target from stealth before they can react and hopes he can either escape or continue killing. He has moderate durability/CC.

Twitch uses stealth to position such that the enemies can't kill him before he melts them all, and he hopes to god it works because he's a glass cannon with dogshit for CC.

Just because both have stealth and damage doesn't make them the same for fucks sake.

By that token, Evelynn is a moving melee Teemo.

Leaf on BushAug 18, 20174 votes

I think they should add sewers to SR and allow twtich to use the access points to roam and just remove the camouflage. Then they should also add cheese and sandwiches that spawn close to the sewer entrances that he has to collect to get his full power. (like a Bard ADC) xD