Once season 6 starts, laning against zed as a mage will be a total nightmare.

Dasdi96··149 votes·8,648 views

They nerfed all the tools that help mages survive lane against zed.

  1. Potions are more expensive
  2. Seeker's got nerfed
  3. Zhonya's got a 500 gold price increase
  4. Mana potions were removed, so they will have an even harder time when they get pushed in to their tower

Also zed got buffed so his laning phase became even more oppressive.

  1. His w range got buffed
  2. There will be the new assassin item
  3. Free flat penetration in the masteries

This is why I suggest that zed gets a nerf before the new item is released.

229 Comments

SSJTribe66 votes

It's already a total nightmare. His buffs will just make it worse.

D rok14 votes

I agree. If they need to buff him, I think they DESPERATELY need to avoid buffing his laning phase. It's so difficult to punish a zed in lane - It's so easy for him to basically get a bye through the laning phase and enter the mid game unscathed. And that makes it outrageously frustrating to go up against him with any champion who relies on mana.

His laning has always been a massive frustration for the player base; One that Riot doesn't seem to share.

Teemo or Feedmo55 votes

playing mage in general will be a nightmare.

Sirsir10 votes

The removal of mana potions was a substantial indirect buff to anyone who doesn't have mana, cuz they can force the lane into attrition state.

Also potions cost more cuz they do more, and the potion nerf probably hurt zed more if he is vs a poke mage he can't reliably all-in.

Another problem is that Maw now builds in a decent amount of flat pen, and youmuus became his dream item instead of just something nice.

Saianna4 votes

Thing is, Zed has tools to both dodge skillshots & poke himself.

And unlike his enemy he can get some lifesteal to help him, while only 2~mages can work with WOTA effecitiently.

fééd l0rd8 votes

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They nerfed all the tools that help mages survive lane against zed.

  1. Potions are more expensive

Because you are generating more gold per second.

2. Seeker's got nerfed

guess why? 1. thing is that every item got more expensive, 2nd thing is that ap itemization was oppressive. 100ap plus a good bunch of armor for 3000gold? Have you ever thought about how much gold efficiency the active of zhonias has?

3. Zhonya's got a 500 gold price increase

  1. Mana potions were removed, so they will have an even harder time when they get pushed in to their tower

Nearly nobody bought them, if you want mana go for the cookies or the new flask

Also zed got buffed so his laning phase became even more oppressive.

His laning got buffed cause he sat at a 42% winrate and he is suppossed to be a lane dominant assassin. They took a lot of power of his harrass combo by fixing a bug.

  1. His w range got buffed
  2. There will be the new assassin item
  3. Free flat penetration in the masteries

This was made for assassins cause the new last whisper isn't as strong as the old one. Flat penetration is always good against squishy champions which will buy only one defensive item like Zhonias. The new Last Whisper is strong against armor stackers, the old one was better vs non armor stackers. That's why there is a flat penetration mastery.

This is why I suggest that zed gets a nerf before the new item is released.

Zed was weak for the last season. During the cinderhulk meta he got even nerfed lol. Let him strong for a few months until the cycle will take him out of the meta.

Troiann4 votes

New assassin item is worthless on zed. Never going to buy it.

Do you know what zed basically is during lane phase? A mage. You have to dodge his skillshots, just like I have to try and dodge lux snares and Es.

The only difference? He's mobile, in exchange for having worse waveclear and being FORCED to use energy, a horrible gimp. He also has mobility because the only way he's ever going to kill you is by being in melee range of you, so he either has to have some sort of bulk or way to escape.

Teemo or Feedmo47 votes

''new assassin item is worthless on zed''

what the fuck did you smoke before you wrote this comment? that gives him 2 ultimates.

not every mage has a skillshot. annie,vladimir,our god and savior teemo,for example

also did you just call zed's waveclear bad? he has 2 aoe spells with super low cooldowns mid-late game.

Troiann6 votes

"that thing gives him two ultimates"

Why the fuck do I need two ultimates if one is good enough? If you're getting countered as zed, QSS and hourglass will immediately fuck you over anyways. Assassin dagger isn't going to help with any of his problems. If I'm not getting countered, I'm going to kill them anyways with my original deathmark. It's not going to change jack shit.

Zed's waveclear is decent for an assasin, but it's not even compared to lux. And his two aoe spells are core to his burst, and they take a hell of a long time to come back because energy is god awful post 15 minutes.\

Do you even know what the fuck you're talking about without bandwagoning on the "bullshit biased opinion" train?

Sirsir29 votes

Zed clears waves faster and more efficiently than Lux. All lux has is her W and her ult. W takes up a lot of mana to not even kill the backline in mid game, unless you're fed (or Ludens), and you can't ult the wave early game unless you're backing. Zed E Q Es the wave to clear it and is back in full fighting order 10 seconds later as he roams.

Plus you use the new item to bait out their zhonyas. Cooldowns come back up and do it again.

Troiann3 votes

Zed has to W, Q, E, E the wave, and even then you have to auto attack the melee minions. From melee range.

That's laning.

Now he's pushed out and is easy as hell to gank with no escape.

Don't even get me started if someone is trying to siege, you have to be in near melee range to clear the wave because you have to hit 2 Qs for maximum waveclear potential. And guess what happens if you try to walk up during a siege? You get fucked.

Lux throws down an E then wlaks back, then detonates it. Now she has to wait 6 seconds for it to come back up, with absolutely zero risk.

New assassin dagger requires you to AUTO attack your enemy to proc it. If you're getting auto attacked by zed as a mage without him EVER ulting, you're garbage and misplayed the lane.

Cosnirak9 votes

"Now he's pushed out and is easy as hell to gank with no escape."

Except that's not true. He can just wait a few seconds for the melees to take damage from the enemy minions, clear the entire wave in < 2 seconds, then walk off and be 100% safe and force the enemy mid laner to ping MIA as he pretends to roam for a few seconds after EVERY SINGLE WAVE.

If anyone is ever sieging a Zed the Zed has made a big mistake to begin with or the enemy jg showed up 3 times and helped push. Even then Zed can last hit most of the minions under turret from a very safe range with ease. If someone like a Lux tries to shove the wave spamming her E the Zed can just harass her with his long range poke for 10 seconds the moment she casts it by just not getting hit by her Q (which is very easy to dodge and without E she won't kill you anyways). And he can use his passive to easily shove back with auto attacks while her E is down.

"Now she has to wait 6 seconds for it to come back up"

HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE! Yeah maybe 20 minutes in if she rushes 40% cdr lol. Her E has a 10 second cd at all levels. But keep in mind it does start counting from cast not from pop.

Troiann3 votes

"he shoves the wave and then backs off to tower as he pretends to roam"

You know who else does that?

Anivia.

Twisted fate.

And a fuck ton of other mages.

Cosnirak11 votes

Anivia doesn't wave clear that well till lvl 6 and doing so more than twice leaves her manaless. TF can't wave clear like that more than a couple times without OOMing until later lvls unless he gets fed early somehow and goes for an early mana item. Zed can do it at lvl 3. But the biggest difference isn't actually the speed of the clear, it's the danger in following. A mage can't follow a Zed who's roaming, a Zed can follow most mages. Zed can also hop over a wall to easily do it while dodging vision in the river and to get there faster in some cases.

Troiann2 votes

If zed is shoving your wave at level 3 like that, why the fuck are you letting him? Abuse him, he can't harass you if he's waveclearing with his Q and E. That's where his entire burst is centric on until he gets a couple of items.

If he's waveclearing the lane, that's literally all he can do. Waveclear. You're 100% safe, and you even have a chance to push back and harass because he can't do anything back to you. He can't all in you. Ever. Why? Because he can't harass, and if he's shoving the wave you're at your tower, and if he can't harass you down he can't tower dive you. Meanwhile, his scaling is mediocre, while almost all mages scale incredibly hard. Yes, he gets to roam. But now you get a free ticket to late game.

Yes, anivia's early game waveclear is weak. But have you asked yourself why? Because mid-late she's absolutely devastating, AOE shredding entire teams while self peeling with a giant ass wall. Zed has zero utility. He doesn't even have that good burst. So he has a stronger early game, and better early game waveclear than other assassins.

Cosnirak5 votes

"Abuse him, he can't harass you if he's waveclearing with his Q and E."

He can do it from safety with ease and gets to start with plenty of pots. In the middle of his clear he can change locations instantly with his W if needed to dodge a skillshot. And if he aims well sometimes his wave clearing hits you too if you're at all near the minions. And his hits hard.

"If he's waveclearing the lane, that's literally all he can do. Waveclear."

That's not true at all. His cds aren't that long and energy isn't that sparse. You can't shove the wave really hard early either so he doesn't have to put that much into clearing and gets to throw Qs at you through what minions he can to easily not get shoved under turret and still harass. It's also difficult to punish him with autos for being melee because mage autos suck. If the mage doesn't have their own mobility spell (as most don't) they're also far more vulnerable to a gank if they try to push the wave. Still it all seems even enough at first, but then the mage runs out of mana and Zed is still casting spells.

"Because he can't harass, and if he's shoving the wave you're at your tower, and if he can't harass you down he can't tower dive you."

Except that as I said he can do both at once. And then at lvl 6 he just easily turret dives you and kills you despite you starting the fight at 70% hp and he walks away fine.

"Meanwhile, his scaling is mediocre, while almost all mages scale incredibly hard."

Actually he scales quite fine. He can split push well because he beats most champions in a 1v1 if he's not really behind. He's also mobile enough to usually escape if his team's vision is too poor protect his split push and several try to come after him at once.

"Yes, he gets to roam. But now you get a free ticket to late game."

The preseason changes have hurt him in that if he roams you can often take the tower. Though doing so isn't risk free and it also helps him because he can take towers even faster if he kills you or you have to back too much because of mana or he's split pushing.

"Yes, anivia's early game waveclear is weak. But have you asked yourself why? Because mid-late she's absolutely devastating"

It was, but the range nerf to her ult hurts a lot. Also games are a little shorter on average, hurting later game carries some.

" Zed has zero utility."

He has a slow. :p Seriously though his utility is in taking out the enemy carry. That's what assassins do. His AOE is a bit strong for an assassin as well. And he's very capable of not only killing a priority target but continuing to dish out damage afterwards. If the other team fails to finish him off when he takes out their carry his passive lets even his autos do significant work helping to clean up a team fight. And Q and E are both AOE.

"He doesn't even have that good burst."

That's just not true.

You know what Zed's biggest weakness is? His team not knowing how to play along side him. Too many people don't know how to use and enable a split push. They don't properly track and abuse the enemy being short item actives and summoner spells because Zed forced them to Flash and Zhonya's. Zed isn't weak. He's difficult to play strategically, both for the person playing him and his team. Also right now Talon is just stronger and harder to counter. :p

Troiann2 votes

His abilities don't hit hard at all unless he's trying to hit you. His shurikens do pathetic damage early if they pass through minions, and if he's trying to waveclear both shurikens will pass through minions before hitting you.

Splitpushing is not a very good strategy right now, because if you try and split your team will lose a lot of towers because they have zero armor and without a mage they have almost no waveclear. You're better off grouping as five and just team death matching, then shoving mid for the win in almost every scenario.

Energy is good in lane phase. That's about it. It's a massive gimp to zed later on. Hell, Korean high elo players say zed with more than 20% CDR is bad because even with those low CDs you simply won't have the energy to spam. And this is a champion that synergizes extremely well with black cleaver, youmous, and deaths dance. But everyone on this board acts like energy is equal to being manaless. Even funnier, they're almost always low elo and don't understand how this game works, or they're incredibly biased and cannot offer a single argument as to why zed is broken except "i hate him". The guy's been fucking shafted for an entire year. 42% fucking winrate. And yet people wanted to buff missfortune, who had a 50% winrate. Pretty clear how biased this board is.

Yes, he does have AOE spells, but seriously, how many times have you seen a zed actually AOE burst a team? I have literally never seen his AOE come into effect. He only does decent damage to one target at a time.

His burst is actually very mediocre and extremely unreliable in a teamfight with the massive buffs to mercurial (almost always a must buy on adc), and hourglass (always the literal best AP item in the game).

Hell, I'd rather have syndra on my team than zed, that's literally my view of him. I play him on occasion because he's fun, but the vast majority of the time he feels worthless. When I'm playing him. When one of my teammates is playing him. And when the enemy is playing him. It's really quite pathetic.

Inb4 another collection of low elo shitters downvoting me because they can't understand actual arguments. Same kind of mindsets you find in religious fundamentalism.

Cosnirak7 votes

"His abilities don't hit hard at all unless he's trying to hit you. His shurikens do pathetic damage early if they pass through minions, and if he's trying to waveclear both shurikens will pass through minions before hitting you."

False on both counts. He hits plenty hard. He can also wave clear with one shuriken while hitting you with the other if he aims it well enough.

"Splitpushing is not a very good strategy right now, because if you try and split your team will lose a lot of towers because they have zero armor and without a mage they have almost no waveclear. You're better off grouping as five and just team death matching, then shoving mid for the win in almost every scenario."

Not true at all. There are plenty of high wave clear adcs and mages to allow your team to spit push by keeping the lane the enemy is trying to 5 man clear while Zed pushes another. If anything the problem with split pushing is that by the time you're ready to so many turrets are already dead that it doesn't matter much.

"But everyone on this board acts like energy is equal to being manaless."

We were talking primarily about laning phase. I'm well aware of the issues with energy later on.

"The guy's been fucking shafted for an entire year. 42% fucking winrate."

Except his win rate was only that low for all of a week right after preseason hit. He was above 50% right before preseason. Then he got significant buffs the patch after preseason began and right now his win rate is over 50%.

"but seriously, how many times have you seen a zed actually AOE burst a team?"

Far too many to count. Just got out of a game where I saw it happen multiple times in fact.

"His burst is actually very mediocre and extremely unreliable in a teamfight with the massive buffs to mercurial (almost always a must buy on adc), and hourglass (always the literal best AP item in the game)."

No he just can't rely on his ult alone vs people who buy those. Also they have cds longer than his ult. If he's smart he'll make them use it and come back before they're back up if reasonably possible. He doesn't need his ult to kill squishies later game though. Not even a little. Also hourglass was actually nerfed significantly along with most of the AP items recently when they were made more expensive.

"Inb4 another collection of low elo shitters downvoting me because they can't understand actual arguments. Same kind of mindsets you find in religious fundamentalism."

This is some needless, baseless accusation tossing going on... Please, leave that for your verbal raging at your monitor, we don't need that kind of thing actually written here on the forums.

PS: If you're gonna throw low elo accusations around at least do it from your main account. Hiding behind a sub summoner lvl 30 smurf account is awfully cowardly of you.

Troiann1 votes

My main is UltraSceptile. It was permad from boards back when I got really pissed off at a Rioter and said something about him I won't say again. Pretty retarded thing to say, I'll admit that.

His shrukens DO do absolutely no damage early game. Here, I'll pull it from the wiki. Secondary targets hit by zed's Q does 37.5 + 50% bonus AD. Currently, all assassin runs full armor pen runes due to last whisperer nerfs, but let's just say with long sword start and runes you have 20 bonus AD.

That's a whopping 50 damage right there. And you should only be getting hit by one unless you're a melee champ. So early game even if he does manage to shove waves and CS at the same times (already a huge if), he's not going to be doing much damage at all.

Zed cannot auto attack an adc late game to death, because he no longer builds BORK or any sort of crit. He has to use spells. And his spells (unless extremely fed) will not 100-0 an adc, he's forced to rely on his secondary ult proc, and often times he cannot use his W to aid his burst, rather, he's forced to use it to escape because most people now camp his ult shadow as well as his current location. If he could use W to burst, yes, it's true that he does not need his ult proc, however, if the enemy adc just buys GA on top of mercurial he will have basically completely invalidated Zed.

As for the low elo thing, in all honesty it's very true. Most people on this board have no idea how the game works, and try and make a post explaining something with civility and they spam downvote you simply because their biased opinion doesn't compare to facts. Make a Rengar OP thread. You'll weed out a shit ton of upvotes without a problem, simply because people here hate that champ.

You could argue that I don't have to come here but I'm seriously lacking etertainment during queue times.

Cosnirak6 votes

Plat 4, the BIG times... xD Sorry. It's just that... every time I see someone try to bring up elo as an excuse to dismiss someone else's opinion on the boards it's someone in gold or low plat, which is just funny.

"His shrukens DO do absolutely no damage early game."

That's not remotely true. Also you got the damage wrong. The damage you listed is for the second shuriken if he hits a target with both shurikens, which is half the max damage of one shuriken. Single shurikens do 60% of their max damage to targets after the first target they hit.

So for example if you hit for full damage at lvl 3 you do 172.5 + 150% bonus AD before armor and armor pen factor in with just Qs hitting but using W for the extra one. At lvl 1 you do either 75 + 100% bonus AD or you do 45 + 60% bonus AD if you hit a minion first. Also his Q goes up 40 base damage per rank, that's a lot.

A typical lvl 3 double hit but going through minions on both does 103.5 + 90% bonus AD.

"Currently, all assassin runs full armor pen runes due to last whisperer nerfs, but let's just say with long sword start and runes you have 20 bonus AD."

You should test out AD runes. I don't know the math on it to be certain one way or the other but I know that Zed has a 100% bonus AD, an 80% bonus AD, and a 100% bonus AD scaling on his abilities AND gets 5-25% extra bonus AD from his W's passive. It also helps his wave clear where as armor pen doesn't.

"Zed cannot auto attack an adc late game to death"

I mean not just auto attacks yeah... But he should be able to get an auto or two in at least. His R and W and Youmuu's active certainly make it possible. His passive makes it worth while.

"And his spells (unless extremely fed) will not 100-0 an adc, he's forced to rely on his secondary ult proc, and often times he cannot use his W to aid his burst, rather, he's forced to use it to escape because most people now camp his ult shadow as well as his current location."

His spells + 1 auto can kill any adc if both players are at reasonable levels of gold mid and late game. Plus that's assuming the adc is full hp and Zed has 0 help hitting them. Your situation basically involves Zed trying to ult and burst down the adc while they sit in the middle of their team and Zed is all alone. Yeah if you do that you're bad and gonna die without killing them, duh.

"if the enemy adc just buys GA on top of mercurial he will have basically completely invalidated Zed."

No, that just means Zed should probably ult someone else. Unless of course you can proc their GA fast enough and then your team can win the fight enough while GA revives them to be worth while. Teams do not consist of 4 tanks and an adc. Also the adc had to put all that gold into those 2 items and get very little damage out of that gold. That alone is a big help to your team.

If the enemy team is 2 tanks, a mage with zhonya's, an adc with GA+mercurial scim, and a support you don't feel is worth ulting to kill... then your choice is simple. Go split push!

"As for the low elo thing, in all honesty it's very true. Most people on this board have no idea how the game works, and try and make a post explaining something with civility and they spam downvote you simply because their biased opinion doesn't compare to facts."

Yes most players don't understand the game very well. Most people in plat fall into that same category. ;) Ignore the downvotes, they don't change the validity of what anyone says. But remember that some people in bronze understand the game better than some people in diamond. Understanding the game doesn't automatically make you good at it and vise versa. Right now some of the best pro LoL casters are in silver, and some of the worst (when it comes to game knowledge at least) are in diamond.

Earthpine8 votes

Lux's W is her shield, I think you're talking about her E.

Crett8 votes

While I don't condone the tone of everyone's replies, I do have to point out there's a reason everyone hates Zed

Troiann3 votes

"there's a reason everyone hates zed"

No, there's a reason people who play mages hate zed. There's also reasons why people who like to play melee champs, like sion, darius, garen, absolutely hate mages. Because they're not fair to fight against when you can't touch them outside of flash.

Avios15 votes

Sion - Can use Roar of the Slayer to slow, Q to Knock-up and W to shield off damage, not to mention ult.

Darius - has a Pull + slow, and does insane amounts of damage + true damage ult.

Garen - Can deny alot of damage using Courage, and Decisive Strike allows him to speed up if slowed. Ult also does alot of damage to squishies.

If anything, I would pick any of these vs a mage, being able to tank all their damage while still being able to kill them. easy as sleeping really.

Troiann3 votes

Try chasing a lux with 20% CDR as a darius.

You can tank the damage, but with merc treads getting shafted you won't be able to do anything to them, while they proceed to AOE burst your team.

Cosnirak8 votes

Juggernauts can get kited by a kite mage? Stop the presses! Holy crap we gotta let the whole word know right away!

Troiann2 votes

That's the whole fucking point. That's why we have assassins. So people who don't enjoy ranged can still play a viable class.

falldown0101 votes

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That's the whole fucking point. That's why we have assassins. So people who don't enjoy ranged can still play a viable class.

still an item with 320 finish damadge, how is that fair, zhonyas wil be a must build every game, + it can be used often, less then zhonyas timer, so how does that 320 damadge correspond with the zhonyas 60 sec timer, it doesnt, and also mages are already squishy, assassin will just have us get low, and then use the item, and let it finish us off, since we can only use it once every 60 sec

Cosnirak2 votes

Oh if only zhonya's had a 60 second cd... I dearly wish it were true. I know you're saying how zhonya's isn't enough to deal with Zed ult + item, but it's worse than you're saying. Zhonya's has a 90 second cd.

OneSmoothDude3 votes

You're just naming off their abilities. It's deeper than that; try to imagine how they would get into range to use these abilities in lane, realistically, against a mage. Try it.

Let's take Garen vs his sister, Lux. Both level 3 so you have all abilities. Your minions mid lane are hitting each other. How do you approach?

You try to run up and melee her, since that's the only option. (You could flash to get, what, maybe 40% of her health, but then you're an easy gank. Not a realistic option.) Either she hits you with her Q (in which case you take that damage, plus a passive proc, plus a possible E and another passive proc) and you're donezo. Or you're lucky and she misses the Q...well you're still not in melee range, and she can then just kite you with her E. So she gets that damage, plus a passive proc, and a couple auto attacks as she kites back and while you retreat. By the time you catch up to her (even using your Q to cleanse her slow), she's under turret so if you decide to go for the Q-E combo, you'll take tons of minion damage on top of a turret shot.

Your W ain't gonna hold up to any part of that. Now you either B and stock up on some potions (feelsbadman), or you're forced off of CS to let your health regen and passive heal you up, which will take about a minute and a half**. So it's better if you had just left lane, had a bad buy, and missed a wave or two while she pushed your turret (or your jungler wasted time baby-sitting your turret, if they're nice).

** So level 3 Garen's health regen per 5 is 8.6. It takes 9 seconds for his passive to kick in. Let's say you got chunked down at 30% health (222). In order to regen up to 90% (667), it will take you 91.8 seconds. If you have a potion you can knock that down to 59.8 seconds...whoopee. (Yeah, his passive sucks early.) Also, full disclosure, no masteries were included in this math because there's too much variation for me to care about calculating right now. Things will be slightly better in an actual game.

Hopefully your jungler can work some voodoo magic and make things even again, because if not you just lost lane.

Listen. Don't act like unfair matchups aren't a thing. Yes, I know this is a QQ thread for mages, but you can't complain about how oppressive Zed is and then downplay the class's strengths as well. Come on.

Mages zone out melee bruisers. Bruisers out-trade assassins (this is a little wonky this patch because Thunderlord's is OP, but generally speaking, this is the way of it). And assassins have the tools to all-in mages at 6 if the mage doesn't respect the power spike.

TeCoolMage7 votes

"Mana-less champ, a horrible gimp"

HA

Since when was energy ever bad?

Troiann2 votes

Ok.

Let's make ahri use energy, and instead make zed use mana.

Sound like a good idea?

TeCoolMage7 votes

Yes pls. In fact make Xerath, Anivia and Soraka use energy too. Then give them energy regenerating abilities. Ahri gains energy from every enemy hit with Q, Soraka gains energy from W heals, Anivia gains energy when critting with E.

Xerath gains energy from auto attacks because he's like that

Troiann1 votes

You know what happens then, right? After one spell rotation, no matter how short your cooldowns are, force you to wait roughly 10 seconds before you can cast another single ability.

Basically, here. Anivia ult, if converted into energy, would cost 20 energy per tick. Her Q would cost roughly 70 energy. Her E would cost 30. Her W would cost 30.

So basically, the standard anivia combo, ult, W, Q, E, would cost 190 energy, assuming her ult lasts for 3 seconds which is pretty average considering cast times before she finally turns the ult off. And now because energy regens at 10/second, she would have to wait 7 seconds before she could use Q again. If she wants to combo Q with E, she would have to wait 10 seconds after using her full combo. If she wants to do the whole combo all over again (because it's the most reliable) she'll have to wait over 15 seconds to use her entire combo, which is basically all she's worth. Of course, while in laning all you need to do is ult and Q the entire wave to insta clear it, but in teamfights? That shit hurts.

You don't know shit about this game ROFL. It must be fun to be that ignorant.

TeCoolMage5 votes

No, her ult would be 5 energy per second. Early game Ziggs and Lux go OOM in two spells while Zed gets to still have pressure and damage due to being able to regenerate energy freely on demand when he wants to combo a third time. If Anivia got 40 energy per E she'd be OP and able to spam her combo almost whenever the hell she wanted and only be second to champs like Katarina, Garen and a moderate mana champ building like a heavy mana champ (E.g. Malzahar with Seraph's AND Athene's)

It must be fun to be a mana less champ main.

Unpaladin3 votes

What are you talking about? Energy being tagged onto someone wouldn't work because their kit isn't designed to work with it. It is supposed to be punishing if things go wrong, since going all-in means that you need to be able to handle yourself after the fact. The only champion I can imagine working with it there is Ziggs, but then his waveclear would need to be changed to compensate.

5 energy per second on an Anivia ult would be ridiculous, it absolutely wouldn't be like that. Ahri would be definitely be gimped because she often has to cast all her spells (her W and Q give her no extra powerful functionality unlike Zed's moves) meaning she is punished for doing her job. Xerath getting that would be fucking absurd since he could combo from a long distance whenever he feels like it and not feel any kind of drawback from not being able to cast. Just, don't say things like that.

Remember, Energy does not mean Manaless. Playing a mage and finding that you always have some kind of mana-like limitation lategame has to be terrible. This is what UltraScept is saying, and you seem to be thinking that having Energy is like playing a busted URF spell-spamming champion.

HayRoss17 votes

{quoted} FORCED to use energy, a horrible gimp

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Troiann2 votes

Nice meme buddy, how about you climb to challenger with zed then talk to me about how he's so broken?

HayRoss11 votes

Or, I could laugh at you

I prefer my method, but thanks for the suggestion

Troiann2 votes

Either way works for me, I mean I'm the guy who actually knows how most of the game works so I could care less if you wanted to laugh.

HayRoss9 votes

{quoted}

I'm the guy who actually knows how most of the game works

Literally everything you've posted on this thread has gotten downvoted to oblivion

Let that sink in

Troiann3 votes

Have you ever heard of a popular saying "the truth hurts?"

Zed isn't OP. The stats don't show it. Professional play doesn't show it. People are calling out for zed nerfs for this new item, yet none of them have ever played with it.

People are horribly biased. Upvotes/downvotes don't mean anything. When riven was disabled every single thread requesting she be permanently disabled got hundreds of upvotes. You think G&B votes mean anything?

KaisadiIIa2 votes

G&B

G*

fify

they removed the word "balance" for a reason.

HayRoss4 votes

No, you're just wrong, and everyone thinks so

Troiann3 votes

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HayRoss3 votes

Every post has downvotes left and right. All of them. Everyone else seems to think you are wrong. What makes you right?

Troiann2 votes

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Knoyle6 votes

You want the god given right of free will or the government given right for freedom of speech? You have to right to spout as much shit as you want to while everyone has the right to agree or disagree with you. Thinking you are better than other people because you rank high in a video game? Really?

Bladerunner77773 votes

{quoted} This is why I suggest that zed gets a nerf before the new item is released.

How about we wait until the item is released before making presumptions

k?

I don't care if they hotfix it after a day

The Fast12 votes

The problem is that they won't hotfix it after a day, they'll wait until the next patch and leave us with two weeks of a completely unplayable midlane where Zed and Talon are the only viable options.

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