when is this going to be fixed? mistakes happen, and its HORRIBLE design for the entire jg to be balanced off of if you have
or not. in season 3-4 forgetting smite was bad enough since you had no obj control and your clears were slow, but now if you forget it then you are essentially down an entire player. red side is just not doable for some champs without smite.
C9 Scott Free 12 votesThey had to do it because laners were abusing jungle items. Not saying I like it, but it was the only way to make sure non junglers wouldn't build the hyper gold efficient jungle items
Shuyin1785 votesJungle EXP was also changed so ADCs couldn't get a free level 2 before even getting to lane.
I Main Swain1 votesreally? it must not be working very well because 3 times in the last week ive had an adc come to lane with red buff and lvl 2, that or they take something else too before coming
Kloqdq1 votesIt was also done to stop the abusing of double jungle. People would just farm together and get enough exp.
Subdue8 votesSo... you want Riot to rebalance the game with carelessness in champ select in mind...
Sp33d Zer06 votesForgetting your summoner spells regardless of who you are is a really bad thing.
This isn't a smite specific problem.
YumaS2Astral3 votesBut for junglers it is significantly worse. Your clear will not only be slower without the and/or 's passives, but you will also lose a lot more health. Due to not having the extra exp from jungle items, you will also be very behind the enemy jungler and of everyone else (peharps even the supports, since they can at least share EXP with the ADC, and earn gold from their support items).
You also lose the valuable passives and actives from jungle items and jungle enchantments. Dueling power from red smite? You can't have that. Extra CC and true damage from blue smite? Sorry. Wards from the green smite? Forget about it. As for the enchantments, most of them are very valuable and necessary. Runic Echoes is a must for champions with AP scalings and mana issues. Cinderhulk is just that good on jungler tanks and fighters, as it allows their tankyness to scale better into late game, not to mention its synergy with Locket of the Iron Solari. Bloodrazor is a must for attack speed reliant junglers as most of them will probably go on-hit with some tankyness. The only enchantment that can be properly replaced with common items is Warrior, but even this enchantment gives a lot of AD for a very low cost.
Without Smite, you also lose the ability to contest objectives. Unless you are a 
or 
or have a 
on your team, you can't really compensate for that. And even with their executes, and still take Smite, not only due to the aforementioned reasons, but because even with their executes they still want to ensure that the enemy will not steal objectives.
Junglers lose a lot from not taking Smite. Other lanes do not have their problem because even if they take the wrong spell, this is not the end of the world for them. Not only they don't rely on summoner spells to gain advantage in the game, but also they can actually make interesting strategies even with wrong summoner spells.
For example, a support with 
will not be crippled as much, as supports don't rely on summoner spells to gain exp, gold, or to unlock items. With a support can actually have incredible map pressure, especially if it is a tank support, because most of them have the ability to chain CC enemies when ganking. The reason why for supports is not meta is because they are better off taking summoner spells that help them pressure the lane 
or protect the ADC 
, and reserving for top laners which can take better advantage of it.
KingRaffa3 votesI mean, yeah, forgetting smite is a big deal. It's literally the jungle summoner spell, obviously there is never gonna be a meta where not taking smite makes sense. This feels like one of the problems that people just need to avoid entirely in champ select
Sexy Jack Rabbit5 votesI mean the solution is really simple. Pay attention more then 5 seconds in champion select and CHECK YOU HAVE SMITE. Unless you're last pick it takes maybe 15 seconds maximum to be like "Ban - Pick - Check Summs, Masteries, Runes"
Karn Bishop3 votesYou can blame ADC for that actually, quite literally it was ADC abusing core jungle items that forced them to do it, it was the primary explanation they gave for the change.
In fact adc have a habit of stealing lots of things not meant for them and getting them ruined, but hey i'm sure they will figure out a way to solve that by season 40.
Skorch1 votesI mean I wouldnt blame the class supposed for trying to inhale EXP and Gold, doing all they can to inhale EXP and Gold.
Karn Bishop1 votesWhy not? ADC do it all the time, STOP TAKING MY CS STOP! followed by ping spam retreat signals from fountain.
Skorch1 votesThere is a significant difference, from ADCs acting childish and annoying. And ADCs playing the most gold efficient they can.
strut3 votesI can't believe these posts are unironic
lolipopevelynn1 votesya but that is no longer a problem nor are jg items gold efficient on laners anymore. gromp and golems spawn late enough that they cant get lvl 2 before a laner that doesnt take smite, and jg items like elder lizzard have long sense vanished from the game. it just isnt efficient anymore on laners. hell even some jglers skip jg items altogether.
LOSINGISMYPRIDE1 votesyoure punished by losing lp in ranked .
khorney1 votesi did that a couple times so i bought talis man and jusst went top and supp top and it worked out
Lushington1 votesThere is an easy fix for this. Riot have our Summoners, runes, and masteries saved by role. Boom smite always there when jungle. Of course youll have to change if you swap roles in champ select.
Kloqdq1 votesInb4 jungle changes completely in season 8....
(Plz no jungling is a hell hole with the years of changes.)
