Twitch zero nerfs ezreal zero nerfs MF zero nerfs
there is a trend here. every season these 3 champions are broken in one way or another, with lucian, cait and jinx following soon after once they get buffed.
Śhunpo39 votesI mean....this is what happens when you make the assassin class no longer the predators of ADCs....and then you overbuff ADCs.
RocketRelm20 votesI mean, the problem basically sums down to "we don't want assassins to be able to 100-0 an enemy that made literally 0 defensive investment without an outplay", and then you outplay and go "yay, I actually get to do my job", but then the support exists.
Not xPeke16 votesthe problem is just damage creep as a whole though.
the line between dps and burst is getting thinner every patch.
there's abundance of damage everywhere.
AirKingNeo36 votes0 Maokai nerfs 0 Shen nerfs 0 Pantheon nerfs
But press the attack nerfs
Big Black Croc12 votesPta getting nerfed? Ah, more reason to fuck over champions that took fervor.
lolipopevelynn6 votes[{quoted}](name=Big Black Croc,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vPaHzRMg,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2017-12-02T20:30:47.392+0000)
Pta getting nerfed? Ah, more reason to fuck over champions that took fervor.
the funny thing is that even if PTA gets nerfed lethal temp will still be just as good on ADCs if not better, so it really wont matter. once we start seeing 3.5 Attack speed vayne you will know why. meanwhile fervor users will be shafted and punished for the sins of the ADCs who are just getting slaps on the wrist, if that. And klepto ezreal is laughing his ass off in the background as he gets free gold and free consumables while nuking the shit out of tanks with Q.
T4underbolt7 votesEzreal cant nuke any tank with q. Its not vayne with true dmg
Jbels7 votes0 Maokai nerfs 0 Shen nerfs 0 Pantheon nerfs
But press the attack nerfs
Maokai just got nerfed on PBE Shen is only particularly good in organized play I doubt they even realize pantheon exists anymore
AirKingNeo12 votes15 damage late game on Q. Such a nerf!
Shen literally half healths people in 3 autos. He's not just an LCS problem.
Jbels5 votes15 damage late game on Q. Such a nerf!
Shen literally half healths people in 3 autos. He's not just an LCS problem.
Assuming maokai Q's 100 times in one game, that's 1500 damage he won't be doing. It adds up. There's a reason Riot doesn't just flat out remove 40 or 50 damage from abilities when they want to nerf a champion's damage.
AirKingNeo3 votesWHO CARES ABOUT 100 USES OF Q? HIS Q SHOULDN'T DEAL SO MUCH!
Jbels8 votesWHO CARES ABOUT 100 USES OF Q? HIS Q SHOULDN'T DEAL SO MUCH!
annnnd people like you are the reason Riot doesn't come here when looking for an opinion on how the game should go as far as balance is concerned : )
AirKingNeo5 votesWhat do you mean? It doesn't matter if he loses 30000000 damage across 100000 uses of Q. What matters is that his Q deals too much damage vs minions and champions, allowing him to cock block splitpushing.
Takazaki1 votes"annnnd people like you are the reason Riot doesn't come here when looking for an opinion on how the game should go as far as balance is concerned : )"
CAN YOU PROVE THIS MAN ANY MORE RIGHT LMAO
i want you to really think here, why would it matter is maokai loses damage over spell usage.
THINK REALLY HARD ABOUT WHAT MAOKAI DOES.
lemme give you a hint.
" maokai get more damage the more CDR he buys " - the Oddone
Picrah5 votes"annnnd people like you are the reason Riot doesn't come here when looking for an opinion on how the game should go as far as balance is concerned : )"
CAN YOU PROVE THIS MAN ANY MORE RIGHT LMAO
i want you to really think here, why would it matter is maokai loses damage over spell usage.
THINK REALLY HARD ABOUT WHAT MAOKAI DOES.
lemme give you a hint.
" maokai get more damage the more CDR he buys " - the Oddone
couldnt be farther from the truth actually
riot doesnt listen to anyone regarding balance, everytime they say something they say "a majority of players" then stay with whatever change they made until its to the point unbearable (think dynamic que)
riot just doesnt listen period and its the problem....pro's feels the same way, look at the plethora of videos of the talking about how X needs changes and Y is broken etc
riot just doesnt listen is the problem, and their balance team doesnt know what their doing.....dont take my word for it, there is plenty of videos of pros saying the same thing.
btw this "majority" that agrees with them all the time......its not an ingame poll, its not the boards, its not twitter, and its not reddit (as they have many times said these are just the vocal minority......so if its not any of those things, then whats the majority?
fact of the matter is riot doesnt listen, and refuses to be wrong no matter what while quoting "the majority approve" while not saying where this majority comes from and while its clear on all those (boards,reddit,twitter, and the 0 polls on balance ive seen) that it is the opposite being felt
why does everyone act like companies dont lie, even when lies presented by them are proven lies and still around for you to look at?
show me the majority and ill believe it, simple as that.....but if u take a look at every facet on any subject and see the overwhelmingly consensus on a certain topic on any board-type related platform while filling out zero surveys....then who is this majority?
correct me if im wrong but when did u fill out a poll? prove it but till then, i can safely hold the assumptions that they lie through their teeth and purposefully either dont comment on subjects that need to be, while also cherry picking the forums etc where the author pretty much believe riot can do no wrong
man what happened to riot.....from taking feedback from the community to just downright lying and EAish practices.....wtf happened
Takazaki3 votesriot doesnt listen to the community because literally 90% of the community doesn't know what their are talking about.
"couldnt be farther from the truth actually"
prove me wrong i can argue my logic, your just shifting this to a blame riot for everything sucking arguement with no actual input to the current topic at hand
Śhunpo4 votesriot doesnt listen to the community because literally 90% of the community doesn't know what their are talking about.
"couldnt be farther from the truth actually"
prove me wrong i can argue my logic, your just shifting this to a blame riot for everything sucking arguement with no actual input to the current topic at hand
90% of the community says Ornn, Maokai, Ezreal and Tristana are busted (and champs of that strength as a whole). You'd be surprised the community can be since they ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME compared to the balance team who are mostly comprised of metaslaves who peaked Gold or on occasion, Diamond.
We blame Riot for everything because they're the people in charge of everything, we like to have some influence over their decisions since we love this game arguably more than they do now (they're just milking it for money).
Takazaki1 votes90% of the community conflicts with the top 10% of players who knows what they are talking about
maokai? pros know about it abuse it confirm it
ornn? was a fucking meme of a champion till these runes came out.
tristana? sitting at a 51% winrate across all elos, so you know what that means? still falls inline with what i said.
You balme Riot because you have no idea whom else to blame for your games. you're searching for a scape goat so you're going to find one. riot is doing exactly what they should do right now.
and if you dont know, thats massively shaking up the leauge formula with sweeping changes THEN WAITING TO HAVE SUFFICIENT DATA BEFORE NERFING OR CHANGING ANYTHING AT ALL. i still remember how sej got screwed over from the cinderhulk ordeal. im not tyring to see that happen to champions who were literally dumpster tier before these ruins
Śhunpo3 votes90% of the community conflicts with the top 10% of players who knows what they are talking about
maokai? pros know about it abuse it confirm it
ornn? was a fucking meme of a champion till these runes came out.
tristana? sitting at a 51% winrate across all elos, so you know what that means? still falls inline with what i said.
You balme Riot because you have no idea whom else to blame for your games. you're searching for a scape goat so you're going to find one. riot is doing exactly what they should do right now.
and if you dont know, thats massively shaking up the leauge formula with sweeping changes THEN WAITING TO HAVE SUFFICIENT DATA BEFORE NERFING OR CHANGING ANYTHING AT ALL. i still remember how sej got screwed over from the cinderhulk ordeal. im not tyring to see that happen to champions who were literally dumpster tier before these ruins
I blame myself all the time, however I can only do that so much when there are clear outlier champs who ruin my game experience entirely. I can only blame myself so much for my mechanical mistakes and poor decision making.
Additionally I've had to deal with Riot reworking both Kat and Rengar, which is funny since they didn't have sufficient data to change any of the assassins at all outside of Zed, Ekko and Kha'zix.
Ornn was not dumpster tier before these new runes lmao, he was overbuffed asf. Maokai is a bullshit pick and you know it. Tristana's winrate is misleading since she's much better than "51%".
"The top 10%....", oh, you mean the people who are bias and advocated for an ADC meta which shook up the entire game? I see you. [slayer-jinx-wink]
Hügö25 votesJust look back a few weeks and months. Everyone complained about marksmen and nothign happened. Then marksmen mains came and said "It's ardent fault just nerf it and all be fine." It wasn't the fault of ardent it just made the problem even worse and what happened? Riot nerfed ardent and the problem is still there. Now marksmen say it's only the fault of Leona and Ap sups and guess what will happen next?
ModCaptainMårvelous14 votesIt's the Ezreal situation all over again.
"Ezreal's not broken it's just Lizard Elder." "Ezreal doesn't have a problem just nerf IBG." "Ezreal just needs tweaks to Runeglaive" "Ezreal is only abusing kleptomancy."
Durzaka10 votesIts almost like Ezreals Q is a cancer on the games balance.
ModCaptainMårvelous9 votesExactly the point I'm making. Except instead of changing Ezreal's Q, we keep pussyfooting around it and changing whatever item-of-the-month he's abusing.
Divewing4 voteslow key think that Ez should just be made an AP mid laner...
Takazaki2 votessounds like kayle
sounds like master yi
sounds like mundo/chogath
sounds like lucain
sounds like yasuo
my point here being, Ezreal isnt toxic. Champions who rely on items to do their damage or can abuse itemization by double dipping into their gold via good old buying stats to get more stats will ALWAYS spike in win rate when something comes out they can abuse.
Yasuo got a spike in winrate from crit items being dropped in gold price
lucain exploded when BorK got buffed and his ult still used attack speed
lucain exploded when leathality got introduced
Chogath and mundo literally dominate or at the least are pretty pro-dominate tank meta's that support them in anyway
when ever a on hit AD item is abusable master Yi's rush it
when ever an on hit AP/hybrid item becomes abusable kayle rushes it
The problem isnt isolated to ezreal, this can happen to most champions in league. If there is something thats over powered, anyone who can use it will use it. and Kelpto is WAY overpowered when put on anyone who can reliably proc it.
notice how you said it always the " item-of-the-month". when ez doesnt have one, he is absolutely trash
Picrah3 votessounds like kayle
sounds like master yi
sounds like mundo/chogath
sounds like lucain
sounds like yasuo
my point here being, Ezreal isnt toxic. Champions who rely on items to do their damage or can abuse itemization by double dipping into their gold via good old buying stats to get more stats will ALWAYS spike in win rate when something comes out they can abuse.
Yasuo got a spike in winrate from crit items being dropped in gold price
lucain exploded when BorK got buffed and his ult still used attack speed
lucain exploded when leathality got introduced
Chogath and mundo literally dominate or at the least are pretty pro-dominate tank meta's that support them in anyway
when ever a on hit AD item is abusable master Yi's rush it
when ever an on hit AP/hybrid item becomes abusable kayle rushes it
The problem isnt isolated to ezreal, this can happen to most champions in league. If there is something thats over powered, anyone who can use it will use it. and Kelpto is WAY overpowered when put on anyone who can reliably proc it.
notice how you said it always the " item-of-the-month". when ez doesnt have one, he is absolutely trash
sounds like more of a champ balance problem MIXED with item problems.....
if you have one person who can use an item better than the other 50 who are supposed to buy the same item......
is it 100% the item being broken? or maybe the wielder of said item?
this shouldnt take much brain power to come to the conclusion that either ratios or kits needs to be tweaked a bit....
not saying the item shouldnt either, but items are just amps in different stats....again sounds like champion problem more than the items
PhDs Nuts21 votesSo we should buff Ornn, yeah?
Big Black Croc11 votesNerf irelia
Moonfall Saber7 votesBuff Olaf
Neremion7 votesWho is Olaf?
Bronze 6 Yasuo21 votesRiot was going to buff 
like this a few months ago.
Tumble (Q): Auto applies two stacks of W Bonus damage no longer crits.
Silver Bolts (W): Bonus True Damage increased from 6/7.5/9/10.5/12% to 6/8/10/12/14% Minimum Damage changed from 40/60/80/100/120 to 50/65/80/95/110
Final Hour (R): New Effect: "While under the effects of Final Hours, Vayne is revitalized when enemy champions she has damaged recently are killed, healing for 20% of their maximum health"
Fucking idiots. Who's in charge of the balance team? 
?
TheLOLMaster7 votesThat Q was a bug that slipped in via noodles, but that ult part was pretty retarded and it got quickly reverted. Don't remember about the w change though and I'm too lazy to go digging for it now.
kargish12 votesThey didn't intend to buff her though, they wanted to attrach Vayne players to build tank buster items rather than full crit. The double W application on Q was a bug. If you look at the rest of the changes they all try to lure Vayne to kill tankier targets instead. They decided to cancel the healing effect though, as it meant too great of a buff for her. Riot wants diversity within their adcs, as it's the most linear class out there, even more than the supports.
Basically if you can play 1 adc good you can most likely play all of them good/decent, as they all have the same playstyle.
: Auto attacking
: Auto attacking
: Auto attacking
: Auto attacking
: Auto attacking
: Auto attacking (+kiting but every adc does that)
: Auto attacking
: Auto attacking
: Auto attacking
Then there are a few unique champions that have an actual gameplay pattern put into them 
And last but not least the one I consider to be the perfectly designed adc 
Ahri Baka1 votesThey didn't intend to buff her though, they wanted to attrach Vayne players to build tank buster items rather than full crit. The double W application on Q was a bug. If you look at the rest of the changes they all try to lure Vayne to kill tankier targets instead. They decided to cancel the healing effect though, as it meant too great of a buff for her. Riot wants diversity within their adcs, as it's the most linear class out there, even more than the supports.
Basically if you can play 1 adc good you can most likely play all of them good/decent, as they all have the same playstyle.
Then there are a few unique champions that have an actual gameplay pattern put into them
And last but not least the one I consider to be the perfectly designed adc
Yeah but the adc is supposed to be auto attacking only , also is stuck at 45% winrate
kargish3 votesThe adc is most definitely not supposed to be auto attacking only. They are still meant to have a playstyle and play pattern, but their primary damage comes from their auto attacks. This is why by design is good (except for the bs passive), you're rewarded damage for playing properly, aka juggling, and is something else than just right clicking and then afk.
There are other champions that got their autos as their primary source of damage, but still has an interactive kit 
Daddy Ants11 votes[{quoted}](name=Bronze 6 Yasuo,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vPaHzRMg,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2017-12-02T19:40:59.889+0000)
Riot was going to buff
Tumble (Q): Auto applies two stacks of W Bonus damage no longer crits.
No they weren't.
That was a PBE bug that got fixed immediately.
Stop talking out of your ass.
Twitch zero nerfs ezreal zero nerfs MF zero nerfs
there is a trend here. every season these 3 champions are broken in one way or another, with lucian, cait and jinx following soon after once they get buffed.
What I don't understand is this -
Sona became broken? She got hotfixed almost immediately. Ezreal's sitting at a 57%+ winrate with an absurd play rate? Got to wait a patch cycle for him to receive a meaningful nerf.
Elkington19 votesI think it's more that Riot can't figure out how to balance ranged carries, so they've just given up.
They've actually posted in the past about their bias against juggernauts though, which is why they tend to get nerfed way faster and harder.
ModAcademy Kayn8 votesOne can imagine why they'd be fast to nerf the people who are Tanky-Damage dealers with ways to sustain their life in a fight.
Barcid13 votesEz is getting nerfs. To his Q. Down from 125% to 110%.
While this looks kind of small on paper, 15% is actually pretty fuckin' big especially for his primary ability that he will be using about once every couple of seconds.
Disembark9 votesIt’s reverting the buff they gave him before. Y’know, back when he was troll pick tier.
People don’t understand that it’s not that Ezreal was bad before, it’s jist that the meta didn’t favor him. Now the meta favors him (poke/lane domination meta).
feeding time11 votesEzreal Mystic Shot (Q) AD ratio lowered from 125% to 110%
Ezreal is getting nerfed next patch.
Possible Nerfs Twitch, Trist Were strong before pre-season and have continued to be so.
Quote "Quick Gameplay Thoughts" by Meddler.
Please stop complaining about ADC.
Mizaya10 votesTwitch doesn't need nerfs right now. He's one of the lowest pickrates in high elo already. Asking for Twitch nerfs right now is like screaming "I'm behind the meta!"
MLDzXnRRR5 votesThey said that if they nerf adcs, they won't be played on competitive level.
FireDrizzle28 votesReally do you know where? That is a load of bs, adcs were played competitively without the items op like now.
Bronze 6 Yasuo10 votesWhy are you listening to riot? They obviously don't know anything.
Moonfall Saber6 votesHence varus/ devourer / ardent censor/twitch /Ekko / Lee sin for 5 seasons straight.
lolipopevelynn17 votesThey said that if they nerf adcs, they won't be played on competitive level.
thats ABSOLUTE bullshit. even when ADCs are at their weakest they are still played bot 100% of the time in competitive because a team that does not have an ADC is at a disadvantage compared to one that does. when they are at their strongest you see them in every fucking lane, including jg. kinda like right now with ezreal going where ever the hell he wants to go, including support.
Thefrostyviking1 votesDidn't marksmen start dropping out really hard under the lethality meta though? The only two played were basically played like some versions of AD xerath, and that's because both of them were kinda OP with those builds as proven by circumstance.
Them and Ziggs.
zaire903 votesDidn't marksmen start dropping out really hard under the lethality meta though? The only two played were basically played like some versions of AD xerath, and that's because both of them were kinda OP with those builds as proven by circumstance.
Them and Ziggs.
The problem with that wasnt really the lethality cause they could abuse that it was that everyone was 5 manning botlane so it was better to pick the long range or extremely safe adcs cause during the laning phase everyone was going to gank you and lethality was broken so later on combined with you being behind in gold and lvs the enemy zed, talon, rengo, etc would oneshot you during the teamfight since it wasnt that hard to get to you. Since the popular supports were stuff like zyra, brand and malz so not much safety for the adc