I don't even play top but I am sick of having people try to trade spots with me in the jungle because they got counter picked by Quinn, Teemo, Graves, etc. Somebody just buff dorans shield so melee can thrive again.
ParappaTheKappa3 votesIMO, the problem is not that they were countered, it's that they can't play against a ranged top. I've played Ekko, Garen, Illaoi, and even Poppy (not even kidding) and I've been unfortunate enough to be paired with a ranged enemy. My most recent one was Poppy (me) v Kennen. And while it's difficult to lane thanks to the poke they can safely do to you, it's not an impossible scenario. In fact, a good solution, is to try and zone them out (one of, if not the worst option) or just play it safe. Sure you'll lose out on some cs, but if you stay close enough to the minions, and focus on a good tower farm, you can turn your loss around. Especially if you can build some armor or MR to counter whatever damage they bring to the table. At least, that's how I do it. To each their own.
GayFluffyUnicorn2 votesPoppy is currently imo the strongest counter to any ranged top laner (common examples kennen, jayce) if she can survive the first 10-15 mins. She will just become so tanky with a bit of gold and still deal decent enough dmg to bully them out of lane afterwards.
YumaS2Astral1 votesPoppy is currently imo the strongest counter to any ranged top laner (common examples kennen, jayce) if she can survive the first 10-15 mins. She will just become so tanky with a bit of gold and still deal decent enough dmg to bully them out of lane afterwards.
Poppy is actually a skill based matchup against most melees, due to her gap closer, her Q, and the fact that with her W, she can prevent some ranged top laners from disengaging (for example, Gnar can't Hop away) However, once she uses her E she is vulnerable to poke and kite, like most other melees.
A better melee champion to deal with ranged champions would be Irelia. She can potentially have multiple gap closers thanks to her Q. Her sustain allows her to survive against their poke, and with E, she can prevent them from escaping her damage and all-ins. Another good melee to deal with rangeds is Pantheon, because of his passive (blocks auto-based poke), his Q (which is a ranged poke) and his targeted stun.
Vistha Kai2 votesIt was always like this.
Mid lane rejects being supports and top lane rejects being junglers. Swings both ways really.
DunkinNoobs2 votesMelee vs. Ranged top lane is nowhere near as hard as most people make it out to be.
WoonStruck1 votesDepends on who you're talking about. 9/10 melees, its near-impossible unless jungler stays top until you put 3+ deaths on them with no mistakes.
If you're talking about Irelia or Poppy...maybe Naut since his shield lasts an eternity? Yeah, its not that bad. For pretty much every other champ, it is.
DunkinNoobs2 votesI beat Jayce with Aatrox and Garen. Get good.
Ben Sharpio1 votesyeah i've said this so many times, but people want to stay top lane and complain on boards about losing to ranged top laners. There are many top laners that are viable in the jungle. It's just that people don't want to take the time to try and learn a new playstyle
Meep Man6 votesIt just feels a little like some new guys are kicking you out of your house you know? Top has usually been a Melee friendly lane and just telling majority of Melees to "Stop going Top and Jungle" just sounds really harsh and not the best solution. Of course, harping on the Boards isn't amazing either.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesI mean i mostly play D Godplank or Jayce top but god dammit. I've seen this season top: Quinn, Graves, Lucian, Cassio, viktor, Lissandra, Karma (just in my last game), brand, kennen, rumble (who i'd argue is semi ranged), Jayce and swain. That's all i can remember so far and whenever i played a melee (common melee champs i play top are naut, maokai, illaoi) it was just a living hell. Not fun at all.
The Yetii Rider1 votesYeah. You should jungle. You get Cinderhulk, so you have more health than other melee champions. You can CS in peace. You aren't at risk of being ganked. Jungle is the life.
Pierce The Veal2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z9PuewEm,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-10-25T18:38:20.169+0000)
Yeah. You should jungle. You get Cinderhulk, so you have more health than other melee champions. You can CS in peace. You aren't at risk of being ganked. Jungle is the life.
But less gold and exp and people actually expect you to contribute before the end of laning phase.
Ralanr2 votesThat's not that hard. Unless you were a devourer jungler.
The Yetii Rider2 votesGetting harassed/ganked denies you XP and gold anyway.
People have expectations. You ignore them and play your own game. Farm, sneak dragons, ward up, counterjungle. I win games without ganking once all the time, because playing a tank that gets gold without feeding is so powerful.
it be lìke that1 votesless gold and xp? depends on who you are, i main 
my favorite early game gimmick is 2 points in e at level 3 (midlane/top are level 2) i then gank the lane furthest shoved. its always either a flash/kill
dont even need to back ever while clearing. ive gone straight farmzilla and farmed until jungle item and 6, beating every lane in level and gold.
Pierce The Veal1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bish im saucin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z9PuewEm,comment-id=000200000002,timestamp=2016-10-25T19:07:31.216+0000)
less gold and xp? depends on who you are, i main
Hmm. I like Nocturne, but I find more success with him top/mid than jungle cause I hate jungle items.
it be lìke that1 votesnocturne starts off a complete joke. he is pretty feast or famine, you need to get a kill or assist on your first 3 ults imo to even matter. if your team feeds a bruiser/vayne beforehand, ggwp.
WoonStruck1 votesYou can AFK farm (as Nocturne) so fast in this meta that you don't even need to gank unless its free.
Why risk the feast/famine when you can just farm? You don't need to make plays, you just need to finish them.
it be lìke that1 votesexactly you ult them under turret, doesnt make him any better early however, slow clear useless pre 6 unless someone is shoved and unwarded like a mongoloid.
Ralanr1 votesHasn't that always been the case? The jungle being a retirement homes for champions that can't lane?
it be lìke that1 votesi resent that. I can lane, i'm just a masochist about it and must win lane at all costs so i get camped by everyone and their mother.
Ralanr1 votesI'm not saying I can't lane either, but in jungling I usually just have to worry about my team and having my farm stolen. Since few people understand counter jungling at my level, it's kinda relaxing.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votespretty much. the champion pool of melee tops shifts from top to jungle season by season. shyvanna was a top laner now shes a jungler same with Jax and volibear
it be lìke that1 votesthis topic is honestly just beating a dead horse, i call bullshit you get "counterpicked by quinn" in the last 7 months first off. secondly, yes you lose the lane early, nut up, farm up, buy a component or two, grats, you now outtrade and can win the lane. they have no type of sustain, if you are running grasp and playing a bruiser/tank? you should certainly win lane passed level 5.
I dont know who you play that teemo gives you problems on, but even 
should beat teemo.
WoonStruck1 votesNot just ranged laners are unbearable.
are all capable of essentially invalidating the laning phase of many melees.
Ranged aren't picked specifically because they're strong most of the time. Its avoid having to deal with some of the champs that go top lane that don't really give you any options as a melee, while also being strong against the rest of melees.
it be lìke that2 votesi like how you include top lane zac in this, which has a lower playrate than quinn top lmao.
WoonStruck1 votesZac when he's decent is an extremely strong top laner. He's been meta before, and the rise of his jungle led to more people picking him top as well, although its pretty uncommon.
Being a low pick rate doesn't change anything. I haven't seen Illaoi, Fiora, or GP in months, but that doesn't mean you won't ever see them top lane.
Also, tell me where I said any of them were common? I said they can invalidate the laning of many melees. Nowhere did I say they were common.
Besides, being uncommon doesn't make them any better to play against.
it be lìke that1 votesmatch ups will always favor one end or other, dont go through and downvote everything someone says however, you are better than that woon.
and being a low pick rate certainly changes everything in this tense, if you rarely see it, if its rarely played, why complain about it? ap ez is pretty strong when they are competent a good universal ult can delete your bot lane, does that mean it should be complained about?
everyone just wants to complain "x is toxic to fight" "x is unbeatable with x champion" why should everything be so cookie cutter? dont get outdrafted, if you dont think you can beat 
or other ranged champions with dont pick darius before you see their top lane? play someone safer.
but "i want to play darius" right? well oh well, he wants to play teemo. shit happens.
WoonStruck1 votesChampions were never allowed to excel as much as they do against such a general roster as "all melees" before season 5.
Renekton and Juggernauts gave Riot an excuse to say "fuck it" in regards to top lane. Now ranged are far more common and not even touched on in the way that they used to be. They're only ever nerfed now after being picked in the LCS to show what a binary, one-sided match-up it ends up being. That's only provided there's not another ranged champion that's considered LCS viable that doesn't let you visualize that ranged vs melee match-up, though.
I don't downvote something unless I highly disagree with what's being said. I don't do it to spite someone lol. You can't be a better person by being afraid to express your opinion. I'm not yelling at anyone, I'm not calling anyone an idiot. I'm visualizing my disagreement to others with whatever statements I downvote.
Low pick rate changes nothing. Volibear has one of the lowest top lane pick-rates. That doesn't stop him from being picked into Irelia to create a match-up she literally can't even farm under tower in.
Range is an even more extreme case of this because its such a general strength. It applies against all melees. If you don't have the kit to deal with it, you basically just lose. To make matters worse, a good majority of ranged champs have self-peel now. With slows attached to them on top of it, or at least somewhere else in their kit.
AP Ez is an inconsistent AP assassin. Nothing else. He's not hard countering something out of meta the way ranged are vs melee in top lane.
X being unbeatable with Y champion isn't a problem. **X invalidating Y type (range/melee) of champions in Z lane (top) is a problem. **
Making something unusable is more cookie-cutter than one champion being able to fight someone despite range vs melee discrepancy. Sorry to inform you.
Juggernauts are one thing. But ranged don't stop there. They crush tanks, skirmishers, divers without a way to repeat engage, etc.
I'm so fucking sick of people like you using Juggernauts as an excuse for ranged vs everything else. Its such a poor argument.
it be lìke that1 votesall im willing to read there is "i lost lane and it wasnt my fault because this champ outranges me" get real man. wanna play a cookie cutter no brain moba? i hear hots would love to have a larger player base.
WoonStruck1 votesFunny, because if you'd look at my match history, all I play is Vlad.
I want more melees to be able to reliably top lane. Most of them that would come forward are a bigger challenge than the lanes I have to go against right now.
You literally have no argument. That's all you're saying to everyone else here.
TenshouSNK1 votesRiven beats Quinn no?
MarimbaMaster1 votesRiven beats Quinn no?
Riven gets shit on by Quinn. If you try to get close she just knocks you back, reduces your vision, then AA for a shit ton of damage early game. Plus, her ult just requires a 2s channel and she gets insane movement speed. It makes it impossible unless jg has a good engage and is willing to camp your lane pre-6.
Fate Fool1 votesI tried maining Wukong jg cuz top fucking sucks for melee's. Went jg primary/top secondary, got a ton of top games so I could only play Lissandra or Gragas. All I want is to play Wu, but it's the same shit mid.
Going top secondary gives top a lot, I can only assume a lot of tops are quitting the role so secondaries are getting it more.
Not waiting through 5 minute que's just to get poked out of lane and denied farm, and that's why I became a support main.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesI've been getting autofilled into top lane occasionally.
Honestly, I never thought that would happen.
Troy2426211 votesWelcome, my melee brothers, to the Jungle
