Finally got out of Bronze.

FioraWillCarry··9 votes·2,038 views

After much frustration, and complaining, many on these very boards, I've finally gotten out of Bronze and just wanted to help other still struggling to get out.

The main thing I did was watch this guy. He puts out a video every day showing how to carry low elos. Watch his videos every chance you get and eventually his lessons will slowing be ingrained in your mind and your play will improve. Now you can't watch one or two and call it quits. You have to watch them over and over again, every time you have a chance, even if you watch some of the same ones repeatedly and you must listen to what he is saying. He does a great job of explaining what and why he does what he does. Listen enough times, and his knowledge will soak in and you will find yourself playing a lot better. You have to be playing as well. Don't just watch. Watch, listen and play.

But let me give you the short of it, that is, the main lessons that helped me climb:-

The first and most important thing is CS. Good CSing is the number one thing that will help you climb. You should aim for 80 by 10 minutes. Now you're not gonna be getting that every game but your margin is 80 by 13 minutes. If you cannot make 80 CS by 13 minutes, don't even think about getting out of Bronze until you fix this. This alone is enough to get you from B5 to B3. You can carry 80% of B5 games by good CSing.

The next thing is understanding level and item advantages. In general, all things being equal, you should not try to fight someone 2 levels ahead of you. In most cases you will lose. Respect level differences when deciding if you're going to all in. This is one of the main reason Bronze players feed out the ass. They don't understand this. Item advantages, the same applies. If you're laning against someone and they finish their first big item before you, then in all likelihood, they will win any 1v1 duel. This even applies to smaller items. If after a skirmish your opponent backs and comes back to lane with item 3077 but you came back with item 1036+ item 1036, your opponent has the item advantage. Pay attention to your opponents' items when laning against them. This will get you fed and prevent you from feeding.

The last point I want to make is not one I learned from the videos, nonetheless it helped me. Main one or two champions. I got out using nothing but Kayle Mid/Top. Now this tip is not essential but it will be much faster than playing multiple champions. Every champion is a world of its own and even the simplest champions have complex ways to play them. The more you play a single champion, the better you will get at them. Play them enough and you get a huge advantage from this because chances are you're going to be playing vs someone who is playing a champ that they don't know nearly as well as you know yours which will help you to win lane and carry games.

Anyways, there's more I can add but I think this kinda sums up the main things needed to get to Silver. GL.

UPDATE: 4/13/2017

I was totally completely wrong. What I failed to realize at the time I wrote this was that I had accumulated well over 1000 ranked games when I reached there from Bronze 5 . While yes, the stuff I mentioned above does help, all it does is helps you to NOT be the reason your team loses. The reason you win any match is entirely dependent on your team.

So how did I make it to Silver last season ? The MMR system the match maker uses in League is designed to give each player a roughly 50% win rate. You can overcome this by consistently not being the reason your team loses. That means don't feed or otherwise do anything to throw your games and you will carve out a slightly above 50% win rate. What this also means is that you have to play a lot and I mean a lot of games for this to work in your favor. You'd have to be extremely lucky to climb from Bronze 5 to Silver 5 in less than 100 games. The point is, you as a single player have zero control over whether you win or lose. There are too many random factors that determine the outcome of a game for a single player to overcome. After 3 seasons and thousands of ranked games played I've finally realized that.

I started this new season, season 7 at B5 and peaked at B1 after 900 games. I'm currently on the verge of being demoted to B4. I have no doubt I'd make it to Silver again but I'm guessing that will take about 300 games or so. Last season I made it after 1300 or so ranked games.

So the the short version is this: If you want to climb, try not to be the reason your team loses and play lots of ladder matches. You should climb a tier in about 800 to 1500 ranked games.

33 Comments

Hexs Fortune3 votes

Everyone should have to fight out of bronze. Too many people test directly into silver

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hexs Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z99Lam3K,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-08-02T21:54:31.197+0000)

Everyone should have to fight out of bronze. Too many people test directly into silver

One of the worst aspects of ranked is having to deal with fresh players in the high silver elo range and watching the automatic loss happen.

AdeBug2 votes

The first lines read "I'm being paid to advertise this channel and if you don't like the first videos you watch, endure more and eventually something will brush off". Maybe start with your own advice+experience first :D

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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The first lines read "I'm being paid to advertise this channel and if you don't like the first videos you watch, endure more and eventually something will brush off". Maybe start with your own advice+experience first :D

Wait...wha ?

Well I never expected someone to say something like this. There's tonnes of information here, on reddit and many other sites that aim to help one get better but his videos were by far the most helpful. This is why I recommended it. There's simply no better resource for people struggling in Bronze. I'm not being paid, like wtf.....Where did that even come from lmao. To me it was the most helpful resource. Nothing more. There's no conspiracy here mate ;)

AdeBug2 votes

I never said that's what you meant, that's jsut the first impression you gave, and might send people to other sources. I only suggested you start with the hints faster.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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I never said that's what you meant, that's jsut the first impression you gave, and might send people to other sources. I only suggested you start with the hints faster.

Oh ok. Fair enough. My original thought was just to recommend the video series and leave it at that. Everything that got me out I learned from watching him.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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if you don't like the first videos you watch, endure more and eventually something will brush off".

Wow....

Let me clarify. I'm not asking anyone to endure anything. The reason I suggested repeating it, is because, it's not gonna stick if you watch only a couple times. When you keep hearing something over and over again, it will eventually become a part of you. I'm sure there are whole songs you can sing word for word. How do you know them ? You hear them over and over and the words and even the rhythm gets stuck in your head. It's the same thing.

Now I could go into more detail about my own experiences, like you said but there are literally dozens of other posts like that all over the web, including these very boards. I'd know, I read a lot of them. I wanted to suggested something different.

GULAG 4 U2 votes

So eh... how i do I carry 15 cs at 10 minutes mid and top? 1V5?

Shadòw1 votes

Why Cs'ing if you can farm Champions?

This pretty much got me to Plat lol.

FioraWillCarry7 votes

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Why Cs'ing if you can farm Champions?

This pretty much got me to Plat lol.

Farming champions is why there are so many feeding assholes in Bronze. Everyone wants to go 22-0 and carry hard. As a result they get easily baited into stupid shit hoping to get fed and be the hero but they just die instead.

DREADN0UGHT2 votes

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Farming champions is why there are so many feeding assholes in Bronze. Everyone wants to go 22-0 and carry hard. As a result they get easily baited into stupid shit hoping to get fed and be the hero but they just die instead.

^this

Sääski1 votes

It's like you meet a hot girl online and arrange a date with her. And when you go to the date, the girl happens to be a 45 year old pedo.

DREADN0UGHT2 votes

uh..what?

Im The Jayce God1 votes

How did you even make it to plat off doing that lol. The best way to win is to zone out the enemy, and deny his farm. Then once you have tons of farm, then you start getting fed off the enemy. Thats how I play anyways and i am plat 3.

Raven Elizabeth1 votes

Congrats on getting out of bronze! im in promos to go silver right now and terrified to play them

FioraWillCarry2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Raven Elizabeth,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z99Lam3K,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-08-02T21:52:18.802+0000)

Congrats on getting out of bronze!

Ty ;)

im in promos to go silver right now and terrified to play them

This was actually my second time. I lost the 1st promo. Ended up at something like 60LP, quickly climbed back into promos and won this series. It also helps that you get a free win once you have reached promos before, just like advancing divisions.

Raven Elizabeth1 votes

Yea thats what happened to me when i had promos for b2. I didnt know it still did that for B1 though.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

dont be scared. its just a game. you can only control what so much in a game with 9 other random people. and if you lose whats the worst thats gonna happen? your still were you are now? and what if you win what do you gain? to practically be exactly where you are now. not much difference from bronze 1 to silver 5.

the important thing is enjoy playing the game. have fun. worry about improving individual things as you play. with time the wins will come.

Raven Elizabeth1 votes

Thanks sir! Ill try tonight and see how that goes. Its been a long road. ended Season 5 with B5 so having to climb from that point on can be a grind

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

yes I can understand that. for me I just quit playing rank all together, I just don't care to "rank up" or "climb that elo latter" last season I did my 10 placement matches and 5 rank games I was placed silver 4 and after going 7-3 In placements I went on a bad streak and finishing at 9-15 and dropped to silver 5. the season before (season 4) I was bronze. I might have a total of 50 rank games played since s3 but I have my main account with 2100+ wins a lvl 30 smurf account with 200+ wins 140 loses. I like to just play normals.

one thing you need to know while going into silver majority of all rank players are silver rank. from what I gather from friends, board post, reddit that silver is ELO HELL. good luck

Calabok1 votes

Trying ta git that youtube hits eh??

FioraWillCarry2 votes

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Trying ta git that youtube hits eh??

Errr. No. I'm not affiliated with that channel or its owner. I'm just drawing attention to the fact that there is someone out there with EXACTLY what you need to help you climb out of Bronze.

For climbing in general, the unranked to Diamond series is helpful as well.

DREADN0UGHT1 votes

Good job fam. Csing is indeed a very neglected skill from low elo players.

Another important thing, beyond understanding Csing and understanding your champ, its important that you understand your position.

When I play on my Silver smurf (in the mid lane mostly) I see so often the enemy laner leave his lane to roam bot while I'm sitting there, perfectly healthy, not even shoved in or anything. So I just ping my bot lane to back off, then shove the mid lane down, giving me on the long run such a huge cs advantage that whatever kill or assist he got in the bot lane won't even matter.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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Good job fam.

Thx ;)

Csing is indeed a very neglected skill from low elo players.

Another important thing, beyond understanding Csing and understanding your champ, its important that you understand your position.

When I play on my Silver smurf (in the mid lane mostly) I see so often the enemy laner leave his lane to roam bot while I'm sitting there, perfectly healthy, not even shoved in or anything. So I just ping my bot lane to back off, then shove the mid lane down, giving me on the long run such a huge cs advantage that whatever kill or assist he got in the bot lane won't even matter.

Thing I realized specifically about Bronze is how thirsty everyone is. No one in Bronze wants to play passive and farm. Everyone wants to kill kill kill. Mid and top laners tend to roam when they can't bully you into getting themselves a kill. They get frustrated and try to gank another lane. Assassin mids are especially guilty of this. This is probably why you see so many mid laners roam. I guess most people in lower elos believe that the laning phase is about getting kills.

Anatharion1 votes

I never roam if the enemy laner is still present in lane. Unless they are dominating me which is very rare. Or if they have a freeze near turret and the jungler keeps coming to my lane to gank me when i go to cs. When Im being camped.

Usually I'll win the trades, chase the enemy mid laner away early, push the wave, and then roam bot, top, or help my jungle with an objective or invade.

PROJECT Katarìna1 votes

The first thing I did when I first started was looking up youtube videos of how to be good at league you be surprised on how much it put you ahead of other people in low elo just knowing some neat trick or tip.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

[{quoted}](name=God of Ascension,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z99Lam3K,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-08-03T04:44:18.550+0000)

The first thing I did when I first started was looking up youtube videos of how to be good at league you be surprised on how much it put you ahead of other people in low elo just knowing some neat trick or tip.

I wish someone had pointed out such videos to me when I decided to try and climb. While a lot of people suggest you watch streams and such, I feel its of limited value. Watching Diamond players play vs other Diamond players won't help much because they are playing a completely different game. What you see working in Diamond not going to work in Bronze. Watching high elo players smurfing is the best way to figure out how to carry low elos.

Anatharion1 votes

I have watched hundred and hundreds of hours of video, and spent days practicing farming, skill shots, jungle paths, and so on. I spent an entire week learning how to jungle with Nidalee last season so that I could do the first clear without backing. Then I spammed Nidalee jungle for a month until they nerfed her clear so hard I didn't have the mechanics to clear well with her anymore.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

Updated with new info.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

So TLTR...

The nub of it is...

"You have to be a bit of a NO LIFE in order to climb??????"

That fair summary?

FioraWillCarry1 votes

Something like that.

WitchQueen Annie1 votes

so how many games do you think its gonna take for me to get the hell out of Silver?

Brutalmore1 votes

You know I think this has a lot of relevance and bring up your realization about how its not just you but others is valid; but, I feel like there is a lot more to getting ahead. Knowing a role and playing other than BOT and Support helped me get to b1. It might be challenging but jungle and top are the two roles, imo, that need to have some of the best players. Win in those roles and you will easily move up.

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