Vayne in every game.

FioraWillCarry·Oct 29, 2016·14 votes·1,476 views

Every game now I'm seeing Vayne. Why is she so popular all of a sudden ? I kid you not, Vayne is more popular than Yasuo right now. What's the reason for this, can anyone tell me ?

59 Comments

WeatheredOct 29, 20168 votes

Her Q was buffed not too long ago.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 29, 20168 votes

she has high w/r for how hard she is. 51%. i think shes too strong personally. she can 3 shot anyone with 2 items. a lucky Q crit shiv proc is 60% of your hp with 2-3 items late game is about 70% its ridiculous

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20162 votes

so what kind of win% is ok for Vayne

i thought 49-51% is considered balanced ?

MunchCrunchLunchOct 29, 20165 votes

for an easy champiion. vayne is the hardest adc in the game. she should be at 48%.

considering she has 20% playrate

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

ahh now people wanna change the rules of what a balanced win rate is... it depends on the champ and there difficultly now...

if all champs are between 49-51% win rates then there is balanced

MunchCrunchLunchOct 29, 20168 votes

well riot disagrees considering umm ryze azir zed rengar and few other champs got nerfed at that winrate or even lower

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20162 votes

when was zed nerfed for having a win rate lower then 50% ? rengar? azir was nerfed for pro play

MunchCrunchLunchOct 29, 20165 votes

zed was like 49% and he got nerfed. rengar was at 50%.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

i think rengar got buffs of late... and they changed some #s on zed after nerfing the QSS from cleansing his deathmark

making it where you cant use to counter his ult

they made zed harder to face roll with and truly talented zed still do well and the people who would spam zed in lower elos with out being good on him cant win on him as easily

MunchCrunchLunchOct 29, 20164 votes

we're talking about winrate everything else is irrelevant in this specific discussion.

if u wanna go that route well a not good vayne still wins at least half their games

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

no cuz all of that effects WIN RATE so is is relevant

MunchCrunchLunchOct 29, 20162 votes

rengar got nerfed. and zed did. with around 50% wr/ everthing else is irrelevant. rengar and zed were both NERFED factually. its not a ugh. change. its a nerf

Kingdom CornOct 29, 20161 votes

So its ok for zed to have a low winrate because he is a high skillcap champ now... BUT VAYNE CAN't HAVE A LOW WINRATE BECAUSE SHE IS A HIGH SKILLCAP CHAMP??? Welcome to league of hypocrisy spotlight.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

never said it was ok... i said balanced is between 49-51 % win rate ideally for all 133 champs... it was the person saying zed was nerfed while having a low win rate and i said other wise...

Kingdom CornOct 29, 20161 votes

Zed q got nerfed if you want it to be usefull you need to land ALL 3 Qs and not 1 like it used to be. Rengar didnt directly get nerfed but the ghost blade nerf did affect him a bit. (Remember when adcs abused ghost blade and then riot just nerfed it? yeah he also got nerfed as ghost blade is a must buy on him)

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

item 3142 isnt nerfed yet... not til preseason and they made it harder to face roll on zed by need to be more skilled on him by needed to land multiple Qs to amplify his damage output giving him some weakness due to the change to Qss not cleansing his ult any more and they nerfed the cd on his shadow so he is a window of vulnerability to be ganked in lane and where you could stop him from facerolling like he use to do

Kingdom CornOct 29, 20161 votes

ghost blade -5 ad 6.12 patch notes :) http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-612-notes

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

lol 5 ad is what we are calling an nerf... alright

rengar top has a 53.12% win rate and jungle has a 49.41% win rate

http://na.op.gg/champion/rengar/statistics/jungle

so if anything since he has a win rate over 51% top he needs a nerf in lane... and he is balanced in jungle based on the theory of perfect balance of 49%--51% win rate

Kingdom CornOct 29, 20161 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/Rengar/Top http://champion.gg/champion/Rengar/Jungle oh yeah and there is no challenger rengar player in NA korea china or EUW season 5 there was ONE challenger rengar player in euw and that is it. Rengar opop?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

rengar is a cheese type of champ and higher elo /higher "skilled" more knowledgeable players know how to play around his one thing that rengar does well ... ult and ambush...

hence why he is never played in pro scene... he is to must feast or famine and has one play style...

five oh tree Oct 29, 20162 votes

Draven is harder than Vayne . Js. But her winrate shouldn't be that high with a playrate like that.

Kingdom CornOct 29, 20161 votes

For a "high skill cap champion" no. Leesin is a high skillcap champion but is really strong if you knw how to pull his shit off that is why his winrate is usually 48-45% but vayne is considered "high skill cap" and hard to play but that doesnt matter because her damage is so busted to the point where it doesn't matter if you are good with her mechanics or not you just press r then q in some direction and auto someone and that is 70% of their health gone if they are squishy.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

but also for LEE he is strong early and falls off late... vayne is the opposite she is a late game duelist hyper carry

she build damage ... she is meant to be damage.. lee is strong early due to his base stats and dont scale with items as well as she does...

and its people once again most likely not knowing how to play against her and not ending the game til past 30 min mark...

it benefits champs with scaling to drag and stall games out... its is the benefit of strong early game dominate champs to get alead and push it and end it before everyone is lvl 18 and full build cuz at that point the gold advantage they had dont mean shit any more

just item 3364 item 2043 when fighting vayne and have the long range burst mage and your cc from who ever blow her up and lock her down... dont try to duel her as an adc unless you have a clear advantage

and if you are facing a vayne as an adc item 3046 helps so much instead of item 3085

BIackfoxOct 29, 20161 votes

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she has high w/r for how hard she is. 51%. i think shes too strong personally. she can 3 shot anyone with 2 items. a lucky Q crit shiv proc is 60% of your hp with 2-3 items late game is about 70% its ridiculous

2 items? Lmfao like 4 items. And she deserves to have a 48% win rate? This is why I hate the league community. Morons.

Battlecast SonaOct 29, 20161 votes

yes, she does.

hard champions should have slightly lower winrates because inexperienced players are much more likely to lose. This is also why Riot is saying even though Jinx is at like 52~% winrate she's probably balanced, she's just really straightforward and easy to play (hit things as much as possible). Vayne is difficult (relatively short range, dependant on hitting 3 times, no aspd steroid) in comparison, and so she should have a lower winrate even when "balanced".

When people talk about winrates they talk as if it's a matchup in a fighting game (which is assuming both players are of equivalent skill), but winrate doesn't include that information. Because a champion's winrate aggregates EVERYONE'S games (even people who have never played the champ before), champions with difficult or dangerous kits SHOULD have a lower average winrate than other champions. This is how Riot rationalizes nerfing a champ like Azir who is like 48% winrate because it spiked a bunch when you had more than a certain number of games on him - sure, first timers and inexperienced Azir players were feeding like crazy cause it's VERY possible on that champ to fail your lane, but people who had experience were winning WAY too much.

BIackfoxOct 29, 20161 votes

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yes, she does.

hard champions should have slightly lower winrates because inexperienced players are much more likely to lose. This is also why Riot is saying even though Jinx is at like 52~% winrate she's probably balanced, she's just really straightforward and easy to play (hit things as much as possible). Vayne is difficult (relatively short range, dependant on hitting 3 times, no aspd steroid) in comparison, and so she should have a lower winrate even when "balanced".

When people talk about winrates they talk as if it's a matchup in a fighting game (which is assuming both players are of equivalent skill), but winrate doesn't include that information. Because a champion's winrate aggregates EVERYONE'S games (even people who have never played the champ before), champions with difficult or dangerous kits SHOULD have a lower average winrate than other champions. This is how Riot rationalizes nerfing a champ like Azir who is like 48% winrate because it spiked a bunch when you had more than a certain number of games on him - sure, first timers and inexperienced Azir players were feeding like crazy cause it's VERY possible on that champ to fail your lane, but people who had experience were winning WAY too much.

i just hope riot ignores these stupid ass "nerf vayne op" threads that you idiots make. she is fine the way she is.

Battlecast SonaOct 30, 20161 votes

who said I think she needs to be nerfed? I don't. I just think that this idea the community has that a champion is balanced at 50~52% winrate, OP at 52%+ and UP at under 50% is incorrect. Champions certainly can have lower winrates and still be balanced, which is the point I was responding to ("And she deserves to have a 48% win rate?")

Instead of placing everyone else under you ("morons"), try reading the post. I don't actually think Vayne has been broken at all barring a couple of instances just after her release (and the really obvious ones). I think she's basically a free win if she locks into the enemy team unless she's REALLY good. On the contrary, I just don't want posts like "-x- champion has under 50% winrate, buff pls!" to get any traction because by that logic there are plenty of highly contested champions in LCS that would get buffs because their winrate really isn't that high.

GULAG 4 UOct 29, 20161 votes

Yet you fail to realize the winrate doesn't break 50% until 30 minutes mate.

MimyOct 29, 20166 votes

Because she's Batman?

No seriously... take a gander at her lore. It's kinda close.

Aristocrat, Parents killed when they're young, becomes a hunter of the night.

Yea..

Bruce, Vayne.

MunchCrunchLunchOct 30, 20161 votes

best fucking comment i read all year.

Mira Arya EntheOct 29, 20165 votes

Riot over buffed her so now any solo-lord can pick her up and be good at her. Because she no longer requires a full set of three shots to deal damage.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

she can do damage with just an auto attack... she dont need stacks of W to do damage... that just enhances her damage and makes her good vs tanks...

she is the best duelist adc out there.. and late game she is a monster... she has a weak early game and laning phase do to short range and no attack speed steroid. and will lose lane most games... she dont have a true power spike til she is maxed W which is level 9.... in team fights she has the hardest time to being able to position correctly due to her range and is typically in ranged for all the other champs abilities... she is a late game monster. if you try to fight her in laning phase and lose and let her get a kill you lose... if you punish her... shove her in and deny her cs and dont let her get any kills in lane ... you delay her power... if you let the game go past 28 mins and she gets 6 items she can beat nearly any champ 1 vs 1 best thing to do thing is to have your hard cc focus her ( Shyvana dont have any , and Vayne destroys her ) and have your burst mage take her out... not the tank or the adc.... high burst mage cuz she is short range and squishy and she cant get to burst mage.

Mira Arya EntheOct 29, 20161 votes

Actually if she is AS I build item 3075 item 3047 summoner 3 and never lose a duel to her.

If she is going the new crit build I go item 3047 item 3143 summoner 3 and don't have issues with her.

I don't have issues with Vayne. I beat 3 of the last 4 I faced.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20162 votes

low elo vaynes are trash....

and vs attack speed vayne item 3143 is better then item 3075 cuz of the attack speed reduction and aoe slow it provides plus you get armor and hp where as in only armor...

but her kit is designed to kite and beat champs like Shyvana with her Q , E and ult... she can kite for days and her E can counter your ult.... you did well beating her.. not taking that away... but a truly skilled vayne player dont lose that 1 vs 1

Mira Arya EntheOct 29, 20163 votes

item 3075 is better against AS ADCs these days since it now has flat damage, it is now a reverse on hit effect. The faster that attack the more damage you do to them. Basically since there is no defense against Vayne's W my gold is to kill her before she kills me.

item 3143 against crit Vayne for the crit damage reduction.

The AS slow isn't good against Vayne in my opinion because most Vayne players I have played against go.

AA-Q-AA-Condemn-AA-BotRK-AA and so forth. Just as one example. Basically always resetting her AA.

It's like building item 3110 against Shyvana. I mean. I am just going to go AA-Q-AA-Hydra-AA so for that series the AA slow won't do much.

But that is my personal experience. Not saying it is meta. But with Vayne's AA resets, it's not much use trying to slow her AAs.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

item 3143 is always better vs auto attacked based champs ... because it provides more stats then item 3075

getting item 3075 with item 3143 is nice or with any other armor/hp item item 3068 item 3742

Mira Arya EntheOct 29, 20163 votes

This stats aren't much good vs %HP true damage Returning 80-110 damage per AA she does however is pretty sweet. Again, that is personal preference and what has worked for me. Against AS Vayne I usually go

item 1416 item 3153 item 3075 item 3047 item 3512 item 3091

This is actually close to my typical Shyvana build. Except taking Thornmail and BotRK

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

i would sub item 3512 for item 3068 item 3742 item 3143

if you go item 3068 with its aoe magic damage combined with your W and the mr reduction of item 3091 makes your w, sunfire and the damage reflected by thornmail stronger and you can clear waves faster plus the hp is more ideal... and you can get item 3009 item 3006 item 3158 item 3111 or item 3020 (more magic damage )

over item 3047 due to having the armor and hp from item 3068 you can pass up the

or get item 3053 over item 3512 giving you 25% bonus base ad and hp and the passive of it making you more of a threat when you are getting focused and get low on hp triggering growing in size and strength and gaining an additional 25% in base ad

Tychusfindlay919Oct 29, 20162 votes

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This stats aren't much good vs %HP true damage Returning 80-110 damage per AA she does however is pretty sweet. Again, that is personal preference and what has worked for me. Against AS Vayne I usually go

This is actually close to my typical Shyvana build. Except taking Thornmail and BotRK

So basically a healthless build with decent resistances.

Personally, I think it's a very meh build but you do you fam.

And building some health against vayne isnt bad. The majority of vayne's damage is still physical and the health can help mitigate that damage a lot.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoOct 29, 20161 votes

so item 3143 thumps item 3075 vs Vayne is what you are saying ?

Tychusfindlay919Oct 29, 20162 votes

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so thumps vs is what you are saying ?

By virtue of the AS slow and non reliance on having to build other armor items to be effective, yes.

Mira Arya EntheOct 29, 20161 votes

Again. Close to my usual build. However normally I'd trade Thornmail for Deadmans and Blade for Titan. These choices are specifically against fed vayne.

GULAG 4 UOct 29, 20161 votes

Still has to go real close (much easier to cc her arse). Her laning is still shit and if you abuse it correctly she's worth nothing. The only lane in which she wins is a janna-Tristana lane, she gets rolled over in any other one.

UnpaladinOct 29, 20163 votes

Vayne players can crawl out of the woodworks at any moment. Always be prepared.

HenryDahNewbOct 30, 20163 votes

Vayne item 3087 item 3031 item 3078 burst can one shot an adc.

Tribbles FoxfolkOct 29, 20161 votes

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Every game now I'm seeing Vayne. Why is she so popular all of a sudden ? I kid you not, Vayne is more popular than Yasuo right now. What's the reason for this, can anyone tell me ?

They buffed her Q to high hell and a ridiculous 1HK Korean build is floating around. Some Challenger twat also probably made a play on stream and people are trying to Gosu the fuck out of her.

Baby GhoulOct 30, 20161 votes

I've almost forgotten that there are other ADCs besides Caitlyn Ezreal and sometimes Jhin .

FioraWillCarryOct 30, 20163 votes

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I've almost forgotten that there are other ADCs besides and sometimes .

Yea, they are hot commodities right now. Saw a Tristana yesterday in one of my games. Felt like I saw a Unicorn.