What do you do when you eclipse all elos and all Masters players at jungling Pyke.....

Illabethe·Aug 18, 2018·1 votes·1,225 views

[sg-ahri-1] ....... yet are stuck in silver >.> I love it.

[sg-jinx] ....... Ofc I know..... I'm not playing vs Masters....... but.....

[zombie-brand-mindblown] ....... I'm not just eclipsing them by a little.....

...... I'm almost 40% higher than their kill participation rates....

[sg-syndra] I have a 4.06 KDA average vs their 2.6 KDA averages.

[sg-zephyr] I have a Utility score of 45.8 vs their 30.3

[zombie-brand-clap] My Damage per Death is 2992 vs their 1800! (wtf? I use Phase Rush)

My ..... Damage share of the team is also 16% vs most jungle Pykes getting 14.3%....... Whut?

Anywho..... yeah.

"Pyke does no damage." Apparently I have some sort of voodoo they don't >.>

(I actually eclipse the average too: 3.2 vs 2.48 KDA, 2% higher kill participation, 36.6 Utility vs 33.2, 2,646 vs 2,097 per death, 15.9 Damage share vs 14.9 since Midseason)

Forgive me while I go beat up some Fishermen (that I work with!)

18 Comments

FrockSaintsAug 18, 20183 votes

It's a world of difference between silver and master. Like an adult going to a kindergarten to beat up little kids and then bragging to a professional boxer that he has better stats.

IllabetheAug 18, 20181 votes

Actually read a post before replying to it....

I am a smurf.
I regularly pull 20+ kill Pyke games with over 30k damage without using Electrocute or Aftershock, yet out tank, out cc, and out damage all elos.
The point is making fun of the Stats Page in game. There is not a single Pyke Jungler from Diamond - Masters with good stat metrics on him.
The range of difference between Masters and Silver is not as large as you think it is. It's the small marginal choices people make that create the differences. You have the same finite number of times per game you can use your skills, regain mana, farm, and make plays. Masters just usually use more of them. In this case, they DON'T. Some of that might be because they see less opportunities to do so. That's okay. What's NOT okay is them being a smaller proportion of their team's damage, as their team should be finding the same opportunities they do, and they take damaging runes. What's not okay is that I eclipse both the average damage done per death AND the Master level damage done per death.

Those two specific statistics should generally be proportionate to performance and elo qualifications. If they are doing 600-900 less damage per death than I am, that's pretty serious. That's the kind of gap that ....... poor teammates and poor opponents don't compensate for. That means the higher elo Pykes are dying more, doing less damage, and taking less opportunities to harass and force recalls.

I never make a brag post. I think you'd know that by now.

People are playing Pyke wrong and it goes clear up the ladder.

FrockSaintsAug 18, 20181 votes

I read the post before replying. Don't assume I didn't because I didn't guess whatever bs excuse you'd come up with afterward, and even if I did, I probably wouldn't change my answer anyway.

Don't care if you're a smurf. In fact, that just makes you a minority and makes your stats much more skewed toward making you look good, just like that guy who inted on Nunu and Tahm to get insane stats on Master Yi in low elo.

Ok, so you get fed while smurfing in silver and thus get better stats. Your point?

Ah so your point is to make fun of the stats page? Well guess what: statistics are only as good as your ability to interpret them.

Now your point is that diamond and master jungle Pyke players have bad stats? Well, considering the vast majority plays him support (100% in op.gg), that's understandable. Have you considered that maybe jungle Pyke has weaknesses that often get exploited in high elo?

LOL if you think there's not a world of difference between silver and master you're delusional. What are you? A diamond 5 player who thinks he can go pro despite being stuck in diamond 5 for ages now? Heck, there's a world of difference between low diamond and master too.

"You have the same finite number of times per game you can use your skills, regain mana, farm, and make plays. Masters just usually use more of them." Ok, and you only have to press the keys a finite number of times when playing a difficult piece on the piano. Doesn't mean it isn't a world of difference between a beginner and a professional.

"Those two specific statistics should generally be proportionate to performance and elo qualifications." Says who? Have you seen the KDA whores stuck in diamond 5?

Why are you assuming high elo Pyke players are bad off of 2 stats? In the end, if they manage to win a lot, that's what matters. Now, I'm not assuming they do, in fact they probably don't. Like I said, Pyke jungle is either bad or underresearched. But what matters is if it actually wins you games, not if it looks pretty is a stats page. A few seasons ago, I made a team and a peculiar strategy. We were constantly going like 1/35, 0/40, and still winning most of our games. Like I said, stats only matter if you can interpret them.

"I never make a brag post. I think you'd know that by now." I DON'T KNOW YOU! Have we talked before? Because if so, you made no lasting impression. Why should I not assume you're a silver scrub who came here to brag and complain how his team holds him back if you're acting exactly like one? And believe me, I've seen a lot of them over the years. Being a smurf doesn't change a thing. This kind of attitude is still present in many players up to diamond 5. Occasionally, even above that. The whole satire thing is just an excuse, to try to look smart on top of skilled. Instead, it achieves the opposite.

"People are playing Pyke wrong and it goes clear up the ladder." You know what would work better and be way more appreciated than a brag post excused as satire when it's actually not? A guide. You've been on and on about how Pyke junglers are bad (except for you of course) but you haven't given any tip or piece of advice except that you use phase rush (and that was just to brag some more anyway).

Go ahead, make a guide. Make a video showing why high elo jungle Pyke players are doing it all wrong and how your way is the right way to play jungle Pyke. Then, for good measure, back it up by getting to challenger with just jungle Pyke. If you do all that then you're sure to hit front page league of legends subreddit. Good luck.

SolicitudeAug 18, 20183 votes

First, there is a part of that boards which is meant for jokes. If you want to do something and make people understand its a joke (a bad one at that) post it there, otherwise people are right to assume you are dead serious, these boards have seen a shit ton all those years.

Second, lets have a look at some of the stats in this account. You have in total 907 ranked games at season 8 with a 48% win ratio. And from silver 3 in February you fell to silver 5 this month.

I started playing ranked this year for the first time, started in silver 3, got to gold in 4 days by playing a champion i never played before, without even trying much and im a lowly platinum 4 player. Being a Diamond player, even if you are smurfing and playing for fun, you would get out of silver pretty easily, not falling to silver 5 after 907 games.

And before you say anything, you said "lulz. I don't die on Pyke in Diamond either". Lets take another look at this account's stats on Pyke, 8.2 average kills per game, 5.3 average deaths per game (i dont die on Pyke lmao), 8.3 average assists per game, 150.2 average cs per game, 4.5 average cs per minute per game and an immense 47% win rate on Pyke you are playing oh so correctly compared to them other mains who dont know how to play him.

907 games as a Diamond player in silver and you went from silver 3 to silver 5.

This seems more of a hard-stuck silver player than a smurfing diamond.

Going from silver to platinum, i find pretty distinctive the skill difference between those 2 elos. If you say that there is no difference between diamond and silver skills you have no idea what you are talking about.

IllabetheAug 18, 20181 votes

Actually look at the games where my teammates weren't 0/13 when I played Pyke.

I'll 5v5 you in Diamond any day of the week.

I actually have a multitude of PERFECT Pyke games. Where I don't: there were 3-4 champs on the opposing team that defy death and make R useless, or there simply isn't a team

Pyke critics are generally correct when they say Pyke doesn't have a damage kit. I can pull it off because of how involved I am in fights, and how fast I reset. But that doesn't mean he can 1v9 games. if your team is always dead, Pyke can't prevent lane pushes, can't hold off drake kills (can attempt to steal). and his cooldowns and damage ratios prevent him from normally solo carrying.

To pull off the damage I do, I have to be in twice as many fights as other champs, take more damage, get out more, and duel more than other Pykes.

In other words..... when your team utterly tanks..... it doesn't matter if you 15/3/15 Pyke..... solo kill 3-4 turrets, etc. You're going to lose because you're in a 1v9.

That's silver Pyke in a Nutshell.

What puts a good Pyke player over 50% in high elo is that his teammates are more often not tanking and are at least pseudo reliable.

I really suggest you try him in both areas before voicing an opinion.

There is differences between Silver and Platinum. Maybe you don't understand the level of the conversation on that. Maybe I can illustrate the difference in something that comes from League's own mechanics.

If you ever play the practice tool, you'll notice something minions do, because generally, champions aren't disguising the flow of minions. In Rift, there is an inequality in the distance minions have to travel to get to a turret. It's not by much. But it's there. And it results in an EVERY game situation where Top Queue (Red) minions always push harder than Blue minions. There's the same number of minions. Same spawn rate. But..... the distance difference and trajectory of the minions, when uninterrupted, causes Red wave minions to snowball better, and kill the blue wave a little faster. If you leave the wave like that for about 11 minutes, The red wave will actually take turrets. And once the snowball starts, it will be about 6 more minutes until that red wave takes the SECOND turret.

That's very similar to the difference between Silver and Diamond. Minute differences in decision making make huge differences in outcomes. The problem with low elo is..... those minute differences in play manifest in the EARLY game. If you actually compare mid-late game performance between the two elos, it's not all that different. Fast, 2-5 second fights decide the game, and even nubs generally perform much better because everyone's to some extent deadly.

But those minute differences in early game..... are what causes a win/loss. A mid who doesn't respect the other mid or dives and tries to trade kills 1:1 will result in either a snowballed mid on one side, or both sides, and then when those opponents who got fed encounter the rest of the trader's team, they are simply 1-2 items ahead and cut through whatever kit the rest of the team has like paper. That's not relative to skill at that point. It's relative to who has their starter mobility items and burst damage, and who doesn't.

Also, about 1/5 of the players in Silver are NOT silver. They are an amalgam of smurfs from all elos. So even if you're smurfing, you may very well also get smurfed. Even a Gold Smurf, if in the right lane vs the right opponent, can snowball so fast that a Diamond smurf jungler can get shut down by his bad 0/4 Mid who never leaves lane, never follows his roaming mid, or feeds a triple to a 0/9 Jinx under a turret and gives her a 2-3k Gold takedown sequence that suddenly gives her her IE.

I've 24/3/18'd a Master tier Draven smurf on Morgana once...... because I wasn't laning vs him. He killed my bot but I was mid lane, and slaughtered his jungler and his mid. By the time we met, we were both fed, but I had the stronger disengage cc, so it was a canned fight. And I did this every time he entered a team fight. I wasn't better than him. But I was more influential on the outcome of fights with him.

Lastly, Jokes..... what jokes? Educating isn't a joke. Satyr was never meant to be funny. It was meant to educate and point out legitimate flaws in whatever it was talking about on a social-interactive level.

UnboundHadesAug 18, 20181 votes

if you want to continue to say you have a diamond account while having a negative silver winrate then link your diamond account

ZephyrDrakeAug 18, 20181 votes

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Actually look at the games where my teammates weren't 0/13 when I played Pyke.

I'll 5v5 you in Diamond any day of the week.

I actually have a multitude of PERFECT Pyke games. Where I don't: there were 3-4 champs on the opposing team that defy death and make R useless, or there simply isn't a team

Pyke critics are generally correct when they say Pyke doesn't have a damage kit. I can pull it off because of how involved I am in fights, and how fast I reset. But that doesn't mean he can 1v9 games. if your team is always dead, Pyke can't prevent lane pushes, can't hold off drake kills (can attempt to steal). and his cooldowns and damage ratios prevent him from normally solo carrying.

To pull off the damage I do, I have to be in twice as many fights as other champs, take more damage, get out more, and duel more than other Pykes.

In other words..... when your team utterly tanks..... it doesn't matter if you 15/3/15 Pyke..... solo kill 3-4 turrets, etc. You're going to lose because you're in a 1v9.

That's silver Pyke in a Nutshell.

What puts a good Pyke player over 50% in high elo is that his teammates are more often not tanking and are at least pseudo reliable.

I really suggest you try him in both areas before voicing an opinion.

There is differences between Silver and Platinum. Maybe you don't understand the level of the conversation on that. Maybe I can illustrate the difference in something that comes from League's own mechanics.

If you ever play the practice tool, you'll notice something minions do, because generally, champions aren't disguising the flow of minions. In Rift, there is an inequality in the distance minions have to travel to get to a turret. It's not by much. But it's there. And it results in an EVERY game situation where Top Queue (Red) minions always push harder than Blue minions. There's the same number of minions. Same spawn rate. But..... the distance difference and trajectory of the minions, when uninterrupted, causes Red wave minions to snowball better, and kill the blue wave a little faster. If you leave the wave like that for about 11 minutes, The red wave will actually take turrets. And once the snowball starts, it will be about 6 more minutes until that red wave takes the SECOND turret.

That's very similar to the difference between Silver and Diamond. Minute differences in decision making make huge differences in outcomes. The problem with low elo is..... those minute differences in play manifest in the EARLY game. If you actually compare mid-late game performance between the two elos, it's not all that different. Fast, 2-5 second fights decide the game, and even nubs generally perform much better because everyone's to some extent deadly.

But those minute differences in early game..... are what causes a win/loss. A mid who doesn't respect the other mid or dives and tries to trade kills 1:1 will result in either a snowballed mid on one side, or both sides, and then when those opponents who got fed encounter the rest of the trader's team, they are simply 1-2 items ahead and cut through whatever kit the rest of the team has like paper. That's not relative to skill at that point. It's relative to who has their starter mobility items and burst damage, and who doesn't.

Also, about 1/5 of the players in Silver are NOT silver. They are an amalgam of smurfs from all elos. So even if you're smurfing, you may very well also get smurfed. Even a Gold Smurf, if in the right lane vs the right opponent, can snowball so fast that a Diamond smurf jungler can get shut down by his bad 0/4 Mid who never leaves lane, never follows his roaming mid, or feeds a triple to a 0/9 Jinx under a turret and gives her a 2-3k Gold takedown sequence that suddenly gives her her IE.

I've 24/3/18'd a Master tier Draven smurf on Morgana once...... because I wasn't laning vs him. He killed my bot but I was mid lane, and slaughtered his jungler and his mid. By the time we met, we were both fed, but I had the stronger disengage cc, so it was a canned fight. And I did this every time he entered a team fight. I wasn't better than him. But I was more influential on the outcome of fights with him.

Lastly, Jokes..... what jokes? Educating isn't a joke. Satyr was never meant to be funny. It was meant to educate and point out legitimate flaws in whatever it was talking about on a social-interactive level.

excuses, excuses and more excuses. Tell me why is it that every single smurf account actually gets back to the elo of their main account in like maybe a 10th of the games you played? you are nothing more than a hardstuck Silver player complaining about your teammates when YOU are just as terrible (if not even more terrible) than those around you. This is coming from a harstuck Silver player himself. You are not a smurf, you are not a diamond player you are a Silver player trying to look good and failing horribly at it

SolicitudeAug 19, 20181 votes

I thinkthink 90 games is a little much of an exaggeration. As you reach closer to your true elo it becomes harder to climb because the players are closer to your skill level. For example, a dia5 player wouldnt get from plat 3 to dia 5 in like 10-20 games, but for sure he would get there.

UnboundHadesAug 18, 20181 votes

If you don't have higher stats than a higher ranked player you are doing something wrong because you aren't playing against high ranked and especially in silver when you are playing a champ thats relatively easy to kill if you know what to do and near impossible to kill for bad players

IllabetheAug 18, 20181 votes

lulz. I don't die on Pyke in Diamond either :)

(If you didn't get the joke, I'm making fun of the Stats page which really doesn't tell you much)

ChargeItDownMidAug 18, 20181 votes

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IllabetheAug 18, 20181 votes

Please tell us how they learn anything when their stats are comparatively better than any listed player or elo.

QmegaSquadVeigarAug 18, 20181 votes

Ehh, just solo carry also remember that higher elo games are much different.

IllabetheAug 18, 20181 votes

The biggest itch I have on this account is that even though smurfing, at this elo it's hard to even get 50%, because the champs I'm smurfing on often get banned on the games I should play them, and the times they don't...... some goober feeds a Diana 10/1 in 8 minutes. So I end up hyper carrying...... until I don't.

Look at my games tonight..... like 50% are losses with over 20+ kills, high objective damage, and for some reason...... 13-15 death allies who crumple like paper the entire game, yet spew crap about how "there's still hope to win" because every time I turn around I kill 2-3 of the other team, only to have my 4 teammates lose a 2v4.......

Glad you saw this as a satyrical post though. Someone's smart!

QmegaSquadVeigarAug 18, 20181 votes

Get good. You're better you should know how to play around fed people and when to rotate when to split crap like that.

IllabetheAug 18, 20181 votes

Say that in games where Supports lay down 3 wards in 32 minutes and you're the jungler, and the fed is a Diana who can outrun and cooldown your entire mobility kit..... when your 4 teammates are dead every 50-65 seconds because they find no value in defending a lane or pushing out a wave before chasing.

You can't win virtual 1v9's. You can win them when the 4 are at least partially in the game..... pushing those waves while you do the work.

(I really miss Tracker's Knife. Laners at low elos, even when they do ward..... they ward right next to where they are..... creating large black gaps on the screen. They might as well not even be warding)

SoulNibblerAug 18, 20181 votes

This seems like more of a post to brag/complain than to figure out what you're doing wrong.

SolicitudeAug 18, 20181 votes

I'll 5v5 you in Diamond any day of the week.

You wont do that cause im a lowly plat4 player and i play on eune while you are on na.

But seriously man. Off with it already. Everything you are saying are the same excuses bronze and silver players come crying with when they are hard stuck and think they deserve better. Already told you, 907 ranked games over the whole season and you cant get out of silver, while me, a lowly plat player got out of silver in 4 days. Plus, you dropped from silver 3 to silver 5 and you have a negative win ratio. I got out of silver and gold playing a tank i never played before except, situationally, in ARAM, which doesnt really count. And you are saying a Diamond player who mains Pyke and corrects every other high ranked player on their jungle Pyke cant get out of silver in 112 with him? You have 907 games and you havent gone above silver 3 while i have 333 and im plat 4. Not even saying that you are straight on your way to bronze. I dont believe you are an actual diamond player and i dont think there are many people in here to believe you.

You know, let me ask you something. In 7.5 months and 907 you went from silver 3 to silver 5. How the hell did you get your main account to Diamond, passing all through Silver, Gold and Platinum in probably way less games than those in this account? There werent such occurences then? Like feeders or stuff. Like other Diamond players smurfing?