flashy champs get buffs. non flashy get nerfs
Meh. Nothing new guys don't get upset.
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SmokinSickStyle7 votesDon't worry, Zed will get nerfhammered harder than before like every season after worlds end.
Bears Dont Care3 votesDon't worry, Zed will get nerfhammered harder than before like every season after worlds end.
I like zed. I felt the ult change.made him better balanced. This is just...ugh.
SmokinSickStyle1 votesI like Zed too, he's the only think that keeps me playing this game from time to time, the ult changes are horrible because that ult has just way too much counteplay\build, and nowadays in a lategame build i always see at least one 
built, i mean, an assassin shouldn't rely on crits lategame to be able to kill in a teamfight, his ult being literally the easiest thing to avoid and currently being used as gapcloser in late fights is kind of sad.
Gunslinger7443 votesTalon relies on crits, Shaco relies on crits, Yi relies on crits (and his bullshit Q but that's not the point), Yasuo relies on crits, Rengar kinda relies on crits. If Zed crits even once during Death Mark it has the potential to blow up the damage when it pops to 150-200% of when he doesn't crit. But he doesn't "need" to crit, that's the thing. His ridiculous, near-instant WQ poke should be enough of a tool to get the target low enough so that the ult kills no matter what. Even in lategame teamfights it's good to chunk 20% off an enemy carry, follow up with an E if they're close enough and we're nearing to 40% off of a Xerath-range spell rotation that is practically resourceless and can be converted into an engage by switching W and ulting.
Before you bring up QSS and Zhonya's, try to have at least one other weakness to back it up. I'm getting seriously sick of Zed players going "muh 
" to invalidate every argument about Zed being even slightly oppressive, nevermind OP.
SmokinSickStyle1 votesTalon doesn't rely on crits, in fact, any AD caster assassin doesn't rely on crits, if you rely on crits you are not a good AD assassin (the caster ones) player.
Shaco is not an AD caster.
Yi neither.
Yasuo's primary role is not the one of the assassin (And he's not a caster, but a Hybrid, considering his Q is recognized as AA and the only casterish damage ability is his ult).
Rengar is not a caster (Q behaves like an AA).
The only AD caster that relies on crits lategame and pay attention, i specifically wrote LATEGAME, in teamfights is Zed because avoiding his Death Mark is just so easy for any competent team that isn't being literally stomped by Zed's team.
Zhonya doesn't work until the mage that bought it uses it around his allies or has a fire and forget ult + Zhonya and is enough to invalidate Zed (Morgana or Kennen are especially good at it), and in a lategame teamfight Mages will benefit the most out of Zhonya, twice as much if Zed tries to ult them.
Rushing armguard however significantly increases the chances of survival, Zed's only strength is in his lanephase that you refer as oppressive, just because mages aren't allowed to spam as soon as they got chalice like they did last season.
His early game should be always better than most lategame oriented champions, and besides his W+Q requires 2 abilities, one of them has high CD compared to the rest of his basic abilities and maxed last so that CD ain't gonna scale until higher levels.
He happens to have energy, which is the best resource for semi spam as it regens quite fast, however spamming everytime one of your abilities is off CD equals going out of energy quickly.
Since crit is OP and if Zed's team didn't end the game soon enough, he's almost forced to buy crit because his ult becomes more of a gapcloser that offers untargettability for almost a second.
The trend of building crit on him and Talon are just recent things (last season) otherwise nobody ever built crit on Talon or Zed unless extremely fed and for the fun of it as straight AD was much more convenient.
Zed's luck about buying IE is that he has in his core build BotRK and Yomama's blade making his transition from 80% caster 20%AA to a more balanced 50% each.
IF everybody tells you that QSS and Zhonya can really be effective against him it's because well, it's true?
He's supposed to be so dominant early, otherwise we might as well delete him if he has no presence at any stage of the game.
At least you can counterbuild\play him, not so much with many other champs that have point and click or instant AoE stuns plus the burst and there no matter how skilled you are or what items you buy, you are gonna get screwed over and over again.
I'm 100% sure that you might play lots of squishy champs like mages and ADC from all the hatred i perceive from your post towards Zed.
Gunslinger7441 votesI think you misunderstood, I summed up AD assassins, not AD casters. But your argument about building crit on Talon and Zed being a trend doesn't sit well with me. You may remember Lucian's release, everyone rushed Bloodthirster on him if I remember correctly and nobody could seem to make it work. Then Asia decided to show us how it's done and he became a top pick. Because Asia had a better build for him.
Armguard is good against him, yes. But it used to be pretty much negated by the Brutaliser rush most AD assassins did, and mana hungry mages wouldn't stand a chance against his unlimited energy and by extension poke. Not to mention his ridiculously safe all-in. A second of untargetability to assess the situation and half a second before you're blinking back to your tower if something goes wrong.
His laning is simply too powerful, I'd almost compare it to Yorick. Besides, Zed synergises quite well with crits. As I said before a single crit can double or even triple his ult's damage, and his passive is auto-attack based too. Maybe his laning has been indirectly nerfed because Brutaliser doesn't build into BC anymore, but I'm remembering the time he could blow up whoever he damn well wanted and still come out okay. Tanks were basically less squishy squishies. I'm not one to play squishy mages or midlane at all for that matter. If I do it's usually Swain or Viktor. I actually prefer tanks over anything else. But with the recent armor nerfs and Zed buffs (that E buff wasn't a fucking bug, I can tell you that) I'm having a bit of PTSD to the times were Zed won every lane and proceeded to pretty much win because he's uncatchable and has huge damage.
SmokinSickStyle1 votesI remember people rushing BotRK on Lucian too, because of his passive, heck Trinity too, but hey Lucian has gone through several changes that he's not exactly what he was at release.
His laning must be powerful (It feels even more so because how early\mid game Zed is compared to mages, that SHOULDN'T have early power if their late is untouched), because later on he's not as effective, he must be oppressive to his favorite targets because all assassins are so (Yasuo vs mages is a nightmare for the latter, yet he's not 100% assassin, but so is Talon, LB and every assassin).
No doubt Zed synergises well with crits, i even explained why (BotRK + Yomuu being 90% core now that BC doesn't build out of brutalizer anymore), not only because of his ult (That i didn't take into account because of the fact that he doesn't need to crit while he ults to kill something, but crits are cool when your ult is not an option because of QSS\Zhonya), but also because crits are a broken mechanic that offer a very large reward, even with just 35% critchance i almost always crit either 1\3 of AA or sometimes even twice in succession, but you see crits work with everybody that can build it.
After the silence removal from Talon people started to include crit in their builds (Always viable, but chance is not an option when you have a kit like Talon's) because now he can be counterplayed easier, in a lategame teamfight he used to not suffer from Zed syndrome of seeing part of his burst denied by Zhonya because he had silence, now if you react fast and he's not fed beyond control lategame without crits it's not so easy to burst someone, especially when you don't have the luxury of longer range engages such as Zed's W+R.
And and that E buff on PBE for Zed's, yeah i know it wasn't a fucking bug, i actually agree with you, i thought exactly the same, because i asked myself, how the fuck an increase in base damage of someone's ability that seems way too convenient (Worlds coming + New skin) is considered a bug? They just put this change and said it was a bug after the amount of shitstorm that caused in few hours from the patch notes release LOL.
Well, it's better that way, so maybe by the end of this season he doesn't get another nerf like the past seasons.
TyroneWatermelon1 votesI like Zed too, he's the only think that keeps me playing this game from time to time, the ult changes are horrible because that ult has just way too much counteplay\build, and nowadays in a lategame build i always see at least one
The only counter play is Zhonya/qss
Catastrop1 votesI like Zed too, he's the only think that keeps me playing this game from time to time, the ult changes are horrible because that ult has just way too much counteplay\build, and nowadays in a lategame build i always see at least one
???
Wheatloaf4 votesWell, it's been stated by Riot that the Zed E buff was unintended, so we have that...
Kuroi865 votesflashy champs get buffs. non flashy get nerfs
Nerfed
Buffed
I'm sorry what were you saying?
ArkenStorm1 voteshow are any of those not flashy? pantheon has his mandrop, his awesome combo, karma has pretty explosions with a speed boost, jax jump stuns and kills errebody, and Draven is DRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVEN. his passive even flashes and he gets a spotlight with confetti when he kills someone. Tell me that's not flashy.
Partholonian1 votesBut are they flashier than Azir, Kallista and Fizz? Is anyone flashier than those except maybe Yasuo (who is fairly weak and being left that way)?
ArkenStorm1 votesLee Win?
Bears Dont Care2 votes
I'm sorry what were you saying?
Reksai and gragas are hardly flashy Same for azir and mao as well as fizz. Kallista was nerfed sometime before .16.
the complaint refers to 5.17 and 5.16 nerfing tanky champions to allow more aggressive plays.
Draven is flashy as hell though.
Kuroi862 votesthe complaint refers to 5.17 and 5.16 nerfing tanky champions to allow more aggressive plays.
A lot of people are blowing these nerfs out of proportion though. Tanks lose maybe 200 effective health late game? This leaves the less popular tanks in the same place they were before (Needing kit work to bring them up to par.) And leaves the strongest tanks in still good positions while opening up the way for bruisers to get in on the action this season.
My point had been that people always want to rant off about "LCSBIGPLAYS" and right here we have Riot slapping them in the face by nerfing the more mobile picks that would be expected to get picked in Worlds.
WalkingInACircle1 votes
:(
It'd be nicer if they hadn't rubbed it in that Lee Sin has the same qualities of being strong all game 'round - and then buffed him instead.
KONO RUBICK DA3 votesshen nerf, i will stop playing this game i think
Lost In Time2 votesAnd you would rather see Annie or Yi get buffs?
At least flashy champions generally have multiple facets of outplay.
A Miss Fortune6 votesill buy qss when zed hits 6 dont worry guys
what do you mean his ult has no counterplay
...i cant buy that im AD
......no i won't go AP Varus Mid for Zhonya's
Veraska1 votes[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z3hl1J3p,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-08-21T13:43:08.800+0000)
ill buy qss when zed hits 6 dont worry guys
what do you mean his ult has no counterplay
...i cant buy that im AD
......no i won't go AP Varus Mid for Zhonya's
I think you're getting QSS and zhonyas hourglass confused, zhonyas is ap QSS builds into mercurial scimitar which is AD
A Miss Fortune2 votesIt's a joke
Veraska1 votes[{quoted}](name=A Miss Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z3hl1J3p,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-21T14:36:55.597+0000)
It's a joke
Oh my bad, carry on
Miraweave2 votesI think you're getting QSS and zhonyas hourglass confused, zhonyas is ap QSS builds into mercurial scimitar which is AD
Yeah just build MR against zed great idea.
Veraska1 votes[{quoted}](name=Skill Command,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z3hl1J3p,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2015-08-21T18:50:15.539+0000)
Yeah just build MR against zed great idea.
If you're ad you're worse off then mages against zed. That's true, but if you're an ad carry and your support ain't buying a Mikaels then you gotta do what you gotta do to get that death mark off.
Would be nice if QSS gave armor tho
SpecterVonBaren1 votesMikaels doesn't remove Zed's ult.
joebob481 votesmr works against the rest of the team though. if their team doesnt have magic damage than that is benefitting your team.
BattleBalladeer1 votesYi is getting a new legendary skin that is mayhaps the flashiest thing I have ever seen in this game. You can tell by looking at it that they have been playing with fluid animations on champions more like they said they wanted to after Vel'koz.
As per the typical marketing strategy expect yi to be nerfed back down when the sales start to slip.
Bears Dont Care2 votes[{quoted}](name=Lost In Time,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z3hl1J3p,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2015-08-21T08:00:25.859+0000)
And you would rather see Annie or Yi get buffs?
Where have annie or yi been mentioned? Those two are relatively balanced to some champs.
At least flashy champions generally have multiple facets of outplay.
K...if you say so.
Lost In Time3 votes[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=z3hl1J3p,comment-id=00030002,timestamp=2015-08-21T16:45:17.634+0000)
Where have annie or yi been mentioned? Those two are relatively balanced to some champs.
K...if you say so.
No one said you did. I'm making a counter-argument.
Yi and Annie are very, very basic champs, opposing your thread that there are too many "flashy" champs ruining the game, when these polar champions (completely stomp or irrelevant, only tuned by numbers on abilities) are not really fun to play against either, especially Annie.
It's a shame I had to spell that out to you.
You can outplay Ekko. You can outplay Bard. You can outplay Vel'koz, Viktor, Zed, new Fiora, whatever recent rework/release, etc. You cannot outplay Warwick, Annie, Yi, Tryndaqueer beyond "oh I hope I can outstat them"
ArkenStorm2 votesahhhh tryndaqueer. How i love thee. Hasn't been touched balance wise in ages. anything major anyway. there was the crit frame fix, a small armor buff, and before that patch 3.something was the last time. :D
Fasmodey1 votes 
$LCSBIGPLAYS
A Miss Fortune1 votes
Meep Man1 votesI find this statement wrong since those who got buffs were:
Bard Draven Jax Karma Miss Fortune Pantheon Syndra
And those who got nerfs were:
Azir Fizz Gangplank Gragas Janna Kalista Maokai Rek'Sai Shen
Some "flashy" champions in each list.
Lotus Blade1 votesflashy champion: zed where are his buffs?
Bears Dont Care1 votesflashy champion: zed where are his buffs?
Reduced delay to .5 from 1 second.
Lotus Blade1 votesnot gonna make a big impact really
Drakylon1 votes"Counterplay" to Zed:
- If squishy AP, rush Seeker's Armguard -> Zhonya's Hourglass before Zed hits 6 or 11 depending on who you are. What? You want a mana regen item beforehand so you can actually stay in lane? Too bad.
- Else if squishy AD, get QSS, an MR item, to protect you against all that magic damage Zed does. You probably still die to the rest of his kit.
- Else if a tank, well, you shouldn't be worried about assassins in the first place. Just buy armor and health, and hope Zed doesn't get Bork + LW too soon.
- Stay outside of Zed's ridiculously long engage range and probably still get caught because he can flash.
- Later in the game, send either a strong bruiser or tank with enough waveclear to fight off Zed while he splitpushes and try not to die. If you ever leave lane with Teleport to help your team, expect to lose at least half a tower.
I still don't get why Zed got so much waveclear. Both of his main damage abilities have very low cooldowns and pretty much nonexistent energy costs (spamming Q off cooldown actually doesn't cost Zed any energy by rank 4, and he regens energy simply by clearing a minion wave), plus he's an AD champion so he can just finish the few minions he doesn't kill with basic attacks, made easier with his passive. Not quite sure who thought to put that on an assassin whose main strength is single-target assassination potential.
Mr Broken Wings1 votesupvote bait. Retarded thread because riot currently buffs a lot of the immobile champions like lux. And dont get me started about 40% winrate leblanc. " MUH FLASHY PLAYS RITO SO BIASED" No.
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