Lee Sin needs to be nerfed

Bears Dont Care·Jan 3, 2015·30 votes·1,269 views

Or everyone else needs to be buffed up to his level in terms of flexibility.

16 Comments

AtheosisXJan 3, 201514 votes

Keep making these threads. Riot clearly cares what you think.

AlphariteJan 3, 20155 votes

Wow, a nerf Lee thread! Good thing too, we haven't had one for at least 2 WHOLE HOURS!

Hyrum GraffJan 3, 20153 votes

Some detailed analysis in this thread. /sarcasm

I'm all for Lee nerfs (or better, reworks), but can we cool it with the one-liner threads?

Bears Dont CareJan 3, 20153 votes

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Some detailed analysis in this thread. /sarcasm

I'm all for Lee nerfs (or better, reworks), but can we cool it with the one-liner threads?

Too lazy, it's been explained why Lee sin is a problem many times over, and it seems Riot has no intention of responding unless you have many people bitching at the most basic level; like WW complaints.

Hyrum GraffJan 3, 20152 votes

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Too lazy, it's been explained why Lee sin is a problem many times over, and it seems Riot has no intention of responding unless you have many people bitching at the most basic level; like WW complaints.

WW was broken OP. Walked up and pressed F-R-Q and 1-shotted you. At least lee has some counterplay.

theragingnerdJan 3, 20151 votes

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WW was broken OP. Walked up and pressed F-R-Q and 1-shotted you. At least lee has some counterplay.

lee needs longer cd on r BOOM FAIR AND NOW WEAK IN THE LATEGAME

Bears Dont CareJan 3, 20155 votes

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WW was broken OP. Walked up and pressed F-R-Q and 1-shotted you. At least lee has some counterplay.

That isn't a on shot. He just used his ENTIRE kit to kill you. Just like... everyone else that builds damage.

Leblanc: E Q R W You're dead. Entire combo. Zed: W R Q E You're dead. Entire combo. Syndra: Q W E Q R You're dead. Entire combo. Oriana: Q R W E You're dead. Entire combo.

I can go on and on, but bitching about someone killing you after using their entire combo, and having absolutely no utility to speak of, means they should have nerfed every single assassin into oblivion as well. Just like they did WW.

In anycase, no Lee sin doesn't have counter play besides "muh skillshot."

The issue with Lee sin can be summarized in a single word.

Flexibility.

Sustain? Lee sin has it. Utility? Lee sin has plenty. Damage? Lee sin has plenty of it as well.

There isn't an area were Lee sin suffers, and before anyone gos "he can't build X without Y", that goes for pretty much everyone.

Hyrum GraffJan 3, 20151 votes

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That isn't a on shot. He just used his ENTIRE kit to kill you. Just like... everyone else that builds damage.

Leblanc: E Q R W You're dead. Entire combo. Zed: W R Q E You're dead. Entire combo. Syndra: Q W E Q R You're dead. Entire combo. Oriana: Q R W E You're dead. Entire combo.

All of these kits you listed:

Are squishy
Either have a skillshot or a way to CC them during their combo
Can't do it from the safety of the jungle.

I can go on and on, but bitching about someone killing you after using their entire combo, and having absolutely no utility to speak of, means they should have nerfed every single assassin into oblivion as well.

>2 seconds of point and click suppression, vision on low hp targets, aoe AS boost >No utility

Lee sin -snip-

Again, I don't disagree with you about Lee Sin. If you put half as much effort into your OP as into the comment I'm quoting, I wouldn't have any problem with your post. Hell, I might have upvoted it. I still might, if you wanted to edit your Lee analysis above into the OP.

Bears Dont CareJan 3, 20152 votes

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All of these kits you listed:

Are squishy

Either have a skillshot or a way to CC them during their combo

Can't do it from the safety of the jungle.

WW is actually squishy. He has no defensive steroids. You are mistaking his lifesteal for tankiness, no different from other characters with in built sustain. On top of this, you can CC WW, his blink range is short, and you can CC him before he touches you with proper timing. You can also cleanse the effect. The issue is most people have no idea about how to deal with him. Furthermore, the jugnle is not safe, he clears slowly, and is easily counter jungled and abused while clearing. If we are bringing up the jungle, realize the champs I listed can also work in the jungle.

>2 seconds of point and click suppression, vision on low hp targets, aoe AS boost

It is a 1.5s suppression that is channeled and can be interrupted/cleanse. The AOE AS boost is nice, but not useful as the ADC will typically have AS from their items and toolkit making it very low impact.

>No utility

He is considered as having no utility as AS steroids have less impact on the game than damage/defensive steroids. He has no slow, no gap cloer, all of his damage lays on AA's, ult, and Q.

Again, I don't disagree with you about Lee Sin. If you put half as much effort into your OP as into the comment I'm quoting, I wouldn't have any problem with your post. Hell, I might have upvoted it. I still might, if you wanted to edit your Lee analysis above into the OP.

Hell naw. Too much work for too little response.

Bob the bomberJan 13, 20151 votes

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All of these kits you listed:

Are squishy

Either have a skillshot or a way to CC them during their combo

Can't do it from the safety of the jungle.

>2 seconds of point and click suppression, vision on low hp targets, aoe AS boost >No utility

Again, I don't disagree with you about Lee Sin. If you put half as much effort into your OP as into the comment I'm quoting, I wouldn't have any problem with your post. Hell, I might have upvoted it. I still might, if you wanted to edit your Lee analysis above into the OP.

But WW damage is not instant so if you have anyone with a silence or a knock up on your team you can make him useless. Cause then he has to focus the person with the silence and not a higher priorty target.

Lulu, Sona, Blitzcrank, Alistar. Are all great supports that could carry out this job.