Sunfires sucks now

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Yea that would be better

My biggest grievance with the item right now though is the small aura size which originates from the center of your model Try playing cho gath get some stacks and oh whats that you can't damage anyone anymore becasue your model is to big :S

Other big champions suffer from it as well, they just get the tiniest aura

Before the change i could hit an entire minion wave when playing sion

Now i can hit maybe 3 if im lucky

So it is way way worse for waveclear as well atm

I think they should have just nerfed the health to 425 and made it cheaper and let it sit at 50 armor to make the other defensive options stronger for defense to generate a trade off for the damage you get

And then go from there, the 42 damage at level 18 wasn't even much of an issue considering magic resists it would take forever to actually burn bpeople down with teamfights lasting 5 seconds you would be lucky to deal an extra 150 damage

I won't even take it on Sion anymore, it's fucking terrible. But you know what isn't terrible on Sion? The Fellowship build

Remember also every champ gets mr/level so it actually becomes worse as the game progresses.

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Yea that would be better

My biggest grievance with the item right now though is the small aura size which originates from the center of your model Try playing cho gath get some stacks and oh whats that you can't damage anyone anymore becasue your model is to big :S

Other big champions suffer from it as well, they just get the tiniest aura

Before the change i could hit an entire minion wave when playing sion

Now i can hit maybe 3 if im lucky

So it is way way worse for waveclear as well atm

I think they should have just nerfed the health to 425 and made it cheaper and let it sit at 50 armor to make the other defensive options stronger for defense to generate a trade off for the damage you get

And then go from there, the 42 damage at level 18 wasn't even much of an issue considering magic resists it would take forever to actually burn bpeople down with teamfights lasting 5 seconds you would be lucky to deal an extra 150 damage

Sunfire damage to champs was lowered to prevent it from synergizing too well with new Abyssal Scepter.

I'd rather it be a scaling push item than a brainless win item.

Okay, I'm sorry, but I'm calling bullshit here. New Sunfire cape's damage is 12-29 compared to it's old 26-49, but it does 200% more to minions compared to 50% more, so to minions the damage is 36-87 from 39-64.

So the equation works like this 36 x 2.83x for the new, and 39 x 1.38x. At level six, new sunfire does 53 damage (36 + (2.83 x 6)) roughly, with old sunfire dealing 47 damage (39 + (1.38 x 6)) roughly. Without exact math, they break even by Level 2, where you most likely don't even have a Sunfire's anyways, and from there it's a net buff to it save the range.

.#math

Juggernauts maybe. I usually bought it as my main armor item when I played Darius.

Riven, Irelia, I've even seen some Fiora players do it.

Visage also gives more MR and a pretty massive 30% healing bonus. I would take that over 75 HP anyday.

I think they intended to reduce the midgame power of tank items in order to shift that power into the power curves of individual tanks themselves.

This means we may see buffs to the likes of sion in terms of earlygame damage or shielding such as 6-10% to 8-10% hp on w or 70-210 to 90-215 damage on e.

The balance team at riot quite definitely knew they were going to send every tank in the game that they hadn't updated down in winrate due to item changes, but they can't fix them without knowing what to fix first. So, for the next 6 months or so, we need to endure having a bad time playing the game so we can have a more balanced game that we might not be playing at that point anyway.