Stop picking 1st time Kayle jg/sup in ranked.

Craft Zeppelin··8 votes·3,777 views

I will ban that crap if you dare hover it. She cannot jungle or support. I do not care if you int if you get it banned. It is basically the same if you die at raptors, or be the equivalent of a exp draining afk at botlane.

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GreenKnight2 votes

Old Kayle worked as a support. She's not viable anymore?

Craft Zeppelin4 votes

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Old Kayle worked as a support. She's not viable anymore?

She is fricking MELEE before lvl 11.

GreenKnight1 votes

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She is fricking MELEE before lvl 11.

Old Kayle was melee, unless you spent mana on E.

Craft Zeppelin5 votes

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Old Kayle was melee, unless you spent mana on E.

Correction. She had her ranged form removed. It is one AA only pre-11.

Done251 votes

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Old Kayle worked as a support. She's not viable anymore?

Her heal was heavily nerfed into the ground. Low base that doesn't even scale well with a high CD.

GreenKnight2 votes

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Her heal was heavily nerfed into the ground. Low base that doesn't even scale well with a high CD.

So much for "out of meta picks"

Daddy Ants7 votes

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Old Kayle worked as a support. She's not viable anymore?

New Kayle is VERY level dependent and very item dependent.

She is too high econ to work as a support.

GreenKnight2 votes

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New Kayle is VERY level dependent and very item dependent.

She is too high econ to work as a support.

Well, i had no reason to play her, now i have even LESS reasons for it. I didn't know it was possible.

Karn Bishop3 votes

Bull, nobody knows what she is dependent on, shes effectively a new champion.

Daddy Ants5 votes

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Bull, nobody knows what she is dependent on, shes effectively a new champion.

Bull?

Her passive alone makes her a "high econ" champion.

She's very very reliant on experience.

Supports VERY rarely hit level 16 in a game.

Most games a Support caps out at like 13 - 14.

After the jungle XP changes that happened, I don't think she'd survive in the Jungle either.

Karn Bishop1 votes

Well i might see your point about the support but i disagree with the jungle part, in fact i would argue that her design pushes her to the jungle, mediocre early game that's still better then eves, Mana hungry on her primary poke max of Q, and W cast disrupts autos and have a noticeable delay before the heal.

Her E is excellent for clearing camps so long as you use it properly, W is a good 1-2 point wonder, and Q is great for aoe damage + increasing slow for ganks / disengage since she can cast it while moving.

If your seeing kayle do bad in the jungle its due to A. reworked champion muscle memory syndrome, B. The horror show that is her "recommended" jungle item page, it actually recommends red health pots, and suggests the attack speed jungle item on a very melee range champion instead of runic, it doesn't suggest item 3146 item 3124 item 3151 and ignores solid defense options for a champion of kayles range difficulty's like item 3001 and not even a mention of item 3091

One thing i can say it would be terrible to have the rioter that made her jungle page on your team with the recommendation to rush item 3100 item 3089 right after finishing item 1416 you would get a jungle kayle that consistently dies the moment anyone looks in her general direction.

Daddy Ants5 votes

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New Kayle is VERY level dependent and very item dependent.

She is too high econ to work as a support.

Following on from my original post...

The purpose of a Support is to be a champion who can function on low economy (Low income, low experience)

Kayle is a champion who can not.

Same reason why you never see mages like Azir, Ryze, Cassio, Anivia played as Supports... They are high econ scaling champions like Kayle.

Bears Dont Care2 votes

Agreed. Kayle is too level defendant to ju bbn gle. She cannownl exclusively mid or top

Malix Farwin1 votes

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Agreed. Kayle is too level defendant to ju bbn gle. She cannownl exclusively mid or top

I feel like she ould get destroyed in the mid lane with the current meta.

hiyares1 votes

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I feel like she ould get destroyed in the mid lane with the current meta.

she didn't do all that great in the top lane either she was just another push bot that if to for out had no real escape and died or got cc locked and bursted under tower.

Naalith2 votes

But what if I'm a challenger smurf playing in iron 4 despite having hundreds of games on this account?

Sometimes Fizz1 votes

But I am a mid main sooooooooo [galio-happy]

(Thanks for that positional match-making Rito!)

Tormentula1 votes

I wouldn't say what roles she doesnt work in when we don't know if she even works in any roles.

All her top matchups are brutal, picking her over other mid laners is terrible, she can't bot lane due to squishy melee, the literal only roles I could see is support as an ardent bot or jg as a gold funneler unless they address how bad her lane phase is and how much of a meme getting to level 16 is (only to be the center of attention and die instantly anyway).

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