this is the worst patch i can ever remember

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they were both nerfed to the ground, so...

Except that both ESPECIALLY Ekko are still viable.

Kalista is still one of the best ADCs and champions in the game (I wouldn't say best because Vayne) and is nearly pick or ban in the LCS last time I checked? Almost no fall offs and she doesn't offer a ton of counterplay besides a team composed of 5 Annies.

And Ekko is still extremely overloaded and can do anything but ADC (The few times I've seen Ekko Support I regretted playing the game), he has more in his kit than even Thresh and that's saying a lot.

Kalista, nerfed to the ground?

http://media.lolusercontent.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia2.giga.de%2F2014%2F11%2FSerious.gif&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=425

I don't even mind Kalista that much, but I wish they would delete & . Just trolly as fk and nearly pointless to have on your team.

Yeah, you may want to get some facts before posting statistics. I just checked Solo and 5v5 for Overall and Plat specifically--none of what you said is true at all, which doesn't surprise me because I haven't seen anything like that from high elo streams or even LCS games either. It really is a low elo problem, which would be a legitimate point to argue from, but that's not how you are trying to approach it.

They are seeing more bans, but that just means people don't want to play against it, not that they are actually OP. I would ban Blitz for a similar reason: He's just annoying and takes no skill, but it's not as if he's OP.

Also, it seems you don't understand the term "skill check," so I can see why you want to argue against it. It's derived from D&D terminology. When you perform a skill check, you roll a d20 + your skill against the DC (difficulty class) of whatever you are attempting to do. In the case of Evelynn, you are forcing the enemy team to roll their "warding skill" against her passive, and the DC is much higher than any other champion because there is never a time when a green ward can detect her without something else nearby that can (like a pink or a player). Similarly, Juggernaughts apply a skill check against the enemy team's "peeling/positioning skill" much more heavily than something that tanky ought to. Usually this kind of check is reserved for assassins, who are squishy and easy to CC & focus down, which is why it feels so unfair to people--Juggs feel like tanky assassins.