As of 5.12, darius' w can no longer crit. not referenced in patch notes

Bruddah Mase·Jun 26, 2015·17 votes·14,364 views

thanks for fucking up my playstyle so shamelessly riot, this is a serious nerf to anyone who builds trinity on darius. just a few days ago i was testing out max crits in a bot game and i reached 4000 with his w and 5 infinities with a bt. Today I noticed that his W never crits anymore, despite my having 45% crit in a game. This change is a big deal to darius players and should have at least been refenced and explained in the patch notes!

34 Comments

RiotMeddlerJun 27, 201517 votes

Just did a quick check and I'm still seeing W crit, nor have Darius' W files been changed recently. Guessing just a really unlucky game?

Bears Dont CareJun 27, 20151 votes

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Just did a quick check and I'm still seeing W crit, nor have Darius' W files been changed recently. Guessing just a really unlucky game?

Wouldn't he reach 100% critical rate with 5 ie?

TehNACHOJun 27, 20152 votes

Today I noticed that his W never crits anymore, despite my having 45% crit in a game.

It seems op used this game as his frame of reference, and the 5 ie test was before the patch.

SaintshingJun 28, 20151 votes

Hi Meddler, did you see the bug reports about Darius's w with Dunkmaster skin on reddit? http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3aikv6/darius_is_unplayable_right_now_massive_gameplay/ http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3a4tdl/darius_w_bug/ http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3aelp5/using_w_with_the_dunkmaster_skin_in_use_makes/

commit an heroJun 26, 20159 votes

Instead of blatantly calling Riot out it could just be a bug, ya know?

Bruddah MaseJun 26, 20154 votes

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Instead of blatantly calling Riot out it could just be a bug, ya know?

Well riot does have a history of stealth nerfing darius ahem when they nerfed his from 550 range to 540 and didn't tell anyone.

commit an heroJun 27, 20155 votes

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Well riot does have a history of stealth nerfing darius ahem when they nerfed his from 550 range to 540 and didn't tell anyone.

If I am not mistaken this was A.) either a mistake or B.) matching the range of his E indicator

Bruddah MaseJun 27, 20151 votes

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If I am not mistaken this was A.) either a mistake or B.) matching the range of his E indicator

im fairly certain that they came out into the open about it a few patches later and it was to match the indicator range, but that doesnt mean it wasnt a meaningful nerf just like this w change

commit an heroJun 27, 20154 votes

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im fairly certain that they came out into the open about it a few patches later and it was to match the indicator range, but that doesnt mean it wasnt a meaningful nerf just like this w change

So his E was never intended to have a range of 550. Plus you have no idea if this was an intended change or just a bug.

Bruddah MaseJun 27, 20152 votes

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So his E was never intended to have a range of 550. Plus you have no idea if this was an intended change or just a bug.

it doesn't matter what was intended or a bug at this current point, all that matters is that he's noticeably weaker than last patch and riot didn't let anyone know they were making the change. it's as simple as that

commit an heroJun 27, 20153 votes

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it doesn't matter what was intended or a bug at this current point, all that matters is that he's noticeably weaker than last patch and riot didn't let anyone know they were making the change. it's as simple as that

You keep making the assumption that this W change was intended. You have absolutely no proof that this is intended or a bug. Instead of just shit talking Rito how about you just treat this as a bug. If it isn't then you'll find out.

NinjaToad99Jun 27, 20153 votes

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it doesn't matter what was intended or a bug at this current point, all that matters is that he's noticeably weaker than last patch and riot didn't let anyone know they were making the change. it's as simple as that

Um, no. Because if it wasn't intended then Riot wouldn't fucking know about it until bug reports come in. So calm down until you know if it is, in fact, a bug or not.

LeeDarkJun 27, 20151 votes

Doesn't matter whether it is intended or not if they make the change without telling anyone. If they don't reference making the change on purpose, we can only assume that it was unintentional until they state otherwise.

EffectFXJun 27, 20151 votes

No.

SaiannaJun 26, 20153 votes

Are you like 100% sure they removed it?

I'd suggest making custom game with 100% crit Darius to check, just in case.

Why? Because 45-50% of crit and you might never see crit even once in a game (really)

Bruddah MaseJun 26, 20151 votes

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Are you like 100% sure they removed it?

I'd suggest making custom game with 100% crit Darius to check, just in case.

Why? Because 45-50% of crit and you might never see crit even once in a game (really)

yeah you're right but i DID use my w like 50+ times with 45% crit so I can say with 99.9% certainty its true

ArsamesJun 26, 20152 votes

Serves you right, shouldn't build Trinity on Darius in the first place :)

Dunkrius2gJun 27, 20151 votes

I'll leave a Kappa for you.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/iwbtb/images/8/84/Kappa.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140606005500

TheHypeGokuJun 27, 20152 votes

Honestly, I don't even sympathize with you. How about we talk about that E bug that can pull people even when they're already out of range? HMMM?! lol

EvilRabbittJun 27, 20151 votes

It's a cast range, not a spell range. Same as Annie's E. Riot explained a while back. Certain skills (idk the list, but those 2 were listed and explained) have an indicator that when shot, locks down the person. So you get by Darius Pull but get Thresh lantern'd and flash over a wall as added security? No difference, just like Lee Sin cross screen flying.

TheHypeGokuJun 27, 20151 votes

I'm talking about when Zed already W'd away but Darius E's empty space and Zed gets sent back to DarDar. Situations like that.

EvilRabbittJun 27, 20151 votes

That's what I'm referring to. It doesn't matter how far you have moved, if the player using Darius's E casts the spell indicator (just the indicator and the spell, no visual queue as of yet) while you are there. You will be his victim. It should be fixed, but then it would have to be buffed. Does that help friend? It confused me a ton too. Still does tbh.

TheHypeGokuJun 27, 20151 votes

Yeah, I understand that. The issue with pairing up the graphics with the actual spell response is tough to do. It's just tough to see that happen when it becomes a late game situation in ranked lol

EvilRabbittJun 27, 20151 votes

That's why I want them to fix it. It doesn't matter if you see the millisecond of the skills creation animation, you will get hit. It's something I consider toxic (not the skill, the TYPE of skill)- at least champions are marked by certain power spikes. Skills like Darius E and Annie W are just bogus. They either hit you because the player lined it, or they don't. Unlike things (such as) Xerath Q or Ahri E, you can't dodge it when the animation starts.

WolfBVJun 27, 20152 votes

Can confirm along with riot poster, he still crits with w.

Rinky DinkyJun 26, 20151 votes

Holy fuck another Darius bug?

TheMoonManJun 27, 20151 votes

NOT TO MENTION the fact that dunk master darius skin sometimes bugs out your right click which hasnt even been glanced at by a red

Only Play DariusJun 27, 20151 votes

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i was testing out max crits in a bot game and i reached 4000 with his w and **5 infinities with a bt. **

Yea, good luck making that build work in an actual game.

On the topic of Darius bugs, there is actually a massive one that came with this patch where people are randomly getting stunned for 2, yes you heard right 2, seconds after he apprehends them. http://champion.gg/champion/Darius Notice how his winrate spiked 5% this patch despite there being absolutely no balance changes to him LMFAO XD !!!!

Better play him while you can before he get's Caitlyn 'd and disabled for 2 weeks.

What Is SmiteJun 27, 20151 votes

Death is inescapable, Darius only brings you closer to Death Karthus

Rinky DinkyJun 27, 20151 votes

freelo time

Edit: I am not finding evidence of this anywhere.

I play a bunch of Darius, although I do not believe I have played him much, if at all this patch.

Any recordings? Screenshots?

Only Play DariusJun 27, 20152 votes

There have been multiple threads floating around addressing this issue. If you type in "Darius Stun" in search you should be able to find one.

I played one game of Darius today and it didn't happen to me. They said it didn't happen every time, but hell even if it happens only 15% of the time, that's a god damn 2 second AOE stun that brings all your victims right next to you, on a basic ability. When the bug does hit, you absolutely REAP the benefits.

His winrate went up 5% overnights after receiving no balance changes so the bug is definitely there. Notice how his most popular AND highest winrate builds have changed to ones that max out his CDR. They know what's up.

TsohgderJun 27, 20151 votes

Looks like Darius is really bugged in this patch, his win-rate skyrocketed for no reason, testing stuff in a custom game atm.

EDIT: as someone else said, his E stuns now, wtf?

Only Play DariusJun 27, 20151 votes

His winrate shot up 5% because this patch brought a bug with his apprehend where it will randomly stun it's victims for 2 seconds. Better go have fun with support Darius while you still can, he is definitely going to get disabled soon.