@RIOT is rengar really doing what you envisioned him doing?

Bruddah Mase·Nov 20, 2015·44 votes·3,403 views

He just comes in stealthed and instakills a champion of his choice and then hopefully he's around a bush so he can help afterwards. I really liked when you added the warning marker, but with youmuus giving him MS that doesn't really change much. Now that he is showing up in so many of my games I can't help but think he's a bit strong. I believe(maybe im wrong) that he was intended to be a hyper snowbally champion that gave the player the fantasy of getting max trophies to have a superior champion, but could be shut down. Currently his numbers are so high that he is gauranteed to kill a champion of his choice at pretty much any point in the game, and considering he no longer loses stacks on death it's pretty much always worth it for him to jump in for an easy kill, even if it means a high chance of death afterwards.

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MLDzXnRRRNov 20, 201526 votes

You can see that Rengar is getting constant nerfs since release. The new gimmick is that everyone is going for critical strikes builds. Without criticals, he can't instakill anything, Without his jump, he can't reach any backline character... He doesn't work vs teams with good CC and brain (Annie and Thresh are nightmare for him with their disables). There is a reason why he is building tank in competetive games = they don't feed, they ward, they teamfight. Don't feed next game.

Bruddah MaseNov 20, 20154 votes

And thats why the common build is warrior/youmuus/hydra/LW?

Variks the LoyalNov 20, 20158 votes

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And thats why the common build is warrior/youmuus/hydra/LW?

LW? Not anymore.

Rengar got a big nerf with the mastery changes. He can't clear to save his life. Anyone who can get through that horrible early clear game deserves to one shot a squishy or two.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 21, 20151 votes

He also got nerfs when youmuu got buffed. Pretty strange right?

N3mO06Nov 20, 20158 votes

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And thats why the common build is warrior/youmuus/hydra/LW?

Are you really pretending that a champ with a situational gap close, without an escape, linked to his ult to do something during a teamfight in lane, useless in any defense phase, who has 3 sec of delay to use his ult if he is taking damage, deals NO DAMAGE without building crit??? Sure he can build item 3706 item 3077 item 3142 and deals damage, but this Leblanc can build this item 3174 and 1shot you not even going ALL-in, this TahmKench can build this item 3742 and shot you like nothing. Try to not complain about a champ who can leaves you farm under tower without any kind of harrass or pressure. I'm the first who think Rengar needs a real rework, but not for being op, but for being feast/famine champ without real mechanics

Zero EngineNov 20, 20156 votes

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KONO RUBICK DANov 20, 20159 votes

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wtf, rengar is hardly feast or famine

pros build tank rengar, with maybe 2 dmg items. You don't need that many items to kill squishies

but you need 5 offensive items to oneshot someone in 0.01 sec

Zero EngineNov 20, 20151 votes

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KONO RUBICK DANov 20, 20152 votes

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K? Not oneshotting someone means you're super far behind how...? lmao

yea imo, if you don't oneshot someone as rengar you just pretty much missed your job

OhthePiplupNov 20, 20151 votes

Most people aren't allowed to kill someone in 0.01 seconds...

KONO RUBICK DANov 20, 20152 votes

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Most people aren't allowed to kill someone in 0.01 seconds...

but rengar is, he can and his win rate is still at 47%

want to know why? because he can only do this on one person, leblanc kills a carry wait 5 sec and kill an other, same for fizz.

Rengar is unfun, toxic, he can oneshot you while you can't do shit, but he is still balanced

kaltenashesNov 20, 20151 votes

Leblanc Akali we can,but rengar suffer the most if he doesnt [slayer-jinx-wink]

48983507DEL1Nov 21, 20151 votes

The thing is, if you don't kill people instantly, then Rengar becomes worthless. He has minimal utility, no escapes, and no mobility outside of brushes and his ultimate. If you build him tanky, it's because you know you have teammates that can set up for squishies to be low enough to kill or can follow up on his Midair Bola.

48983507DEL1Nov 21, 20151 votes

His mechanics are all based on his passive and bush hoping, as well as pulling off his 1-shot, triple Q combo.

KONO RUBICK DANov 20, 20155 votes

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You can see that Rengar is getting constant nerfs since release. The new gimmick is that everyone is going for critical strikes builds. Without criticals, he can't instakill anything, Without his jump, he can't reach any backline character... He doesn't work vs teams with good CC and brain (Annie and Thresh are nightmare for him with their disables). There is a reason why he is building tank in competetive games = they don't feed, they ward, they teamfight. Don't feed next game.

truth has spoken

venomous frostNov 20, 20154 votes

and then you play soloQ, where teamplay doesn't exist and competitive play is just a utopia. don't compare soloq vs competitive games

SammystormNov 20, 20152 votes

Why not exactly? I have had plenty of games in soloq where teamplay exists.

SkiasNov 21, 20151 votes

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You can see that Rengar is getting constant nerfs since release. The new gimmick is that everyone is going for critical strikes builds. Without criticals, he can't instakill anything, Without his jump, he can't reach any backline character... He doesn't work vs teams with good CC and brain (Annie and Thresh are nightmare for him with their disables). There is a reason why he is building tank in competetive games = they don't feed, they ward, they teamfight. Don't feed next game.

He has access to a lot of CC and Recovery for free due to his ult as well.

The Bearded BardNov 20, 20159 votes

See I don't like him because of his snowbally nature. He either gets ahead and absolutely demolishes everything, or he falls behind and is absolutely useless.

SmyleNov 21, 20151 votes

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See I don't like him because of his snowbally nature. He either gets ahead and absolutely demolishes everything, or he falls behind and is absolutely useless.

That's when your build comes into play. Tank rengar late game will still give the enemy a hard time, regardless if he is behind, while building offensive when behind will leave you as weak as Taric

SpoofghoulNov 20, 20156 votes

You know the warning marker shows up when he is at 750 range i think? But with his stupid toothnecklace he can get 750 jump range ... And then there is youmous.

its like; ah a marker lets put down a pi.. fuck imdead..

Its not like he does not delete champions in 0,38 seconds . . .

Hes retarded when he snowballs and useless when he does not. But there is literally no counterplay to his stealthed 750 youmous jump root instagib.

N3mO06Nov 20, 20151 votes

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You know the warning marker shows up when he is at 750 range i think? But with his stupid toothnecklace he can get 750 jump range ... And then there is youmous.

its like; ah a marker lets put down a pi.. fuck imdead..

Its not like he does not delete champions in 0,38 seconds . . .

Hes retarded when he snowballs and useless when he does not. But there is literally no counterplay to his stealthed 750 youmous jump root instagib.

No, the warning range is something lile 1000-1200 even in fog of war and brush

Need Gold 4 TentNov 20, 20151 votes

It's because rengars don't pop ult from max range, they're already nearby and probably ulted from a brush 750 range from you.

AlphariteNov 21, 20151 votes

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You know the warning marker shows up when he is at 750 range i think? But with his stupid toothnecklace he can get 750 jump range ... And then there is youmous.

its like; ah a marker lets put down a pi.. fuck imdead..

Its not like he does not delete champions in 0,38 seconds . . .

Hes retarded when he snowballs and useless when he does not. But there is literally no counterplay to his stealthed 750 youmous jump root instagib.

This is just wrong. It's 1250 range.

My Waifu VanillaNov 21, 20151 votes

Oh no now I have less than a second to react since he has upwards of 600+ ms with ghostblade to cover that 500 range and he will just throw the root Bola mid air anyway to root me for doom.

masterdragon481Nov 20, 20155 votes

His assassination pattern has been made even stronger (and less fair) by removing access to true sight for the vast majority of the game.

N3mO06Nov 20, 20153 votes

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His assassination pattern has been made even stronger (and less fair) by removing access to true sight for the vast majority of the game.

Yes because reduced cost of pink ward is nothing....anyway I don't think now rengar can no more 1 shot late game with items like death dancer and phantom. 24% damage reduction is a lot in combo with this item 3072

masterdragon481Nov 20, 201510 votes

But builds can't usually afford a blood thirster and a death's dance.

And yes, pink wards are 25 gold cheaper. And late game impossible to buy unless you are willing to give up an item slot. And lets not forget that pinks take up an item slot. So we have to choose between a part of an item or a pink ward. So either way we are massively disadvantaged. And either way come late game theres no room for a pink ward. Great options.

The severe lack of true vision options in the game right now is very unhealthy.

Imaginary HeroNov 20, 20151 votes

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But builds can't usually afford a blood thirster and a death's dance.

And yes, pink wards are 25 gold cheaper. And late game impossible to buy unless you are willing to give up an item slot. And lets not forget that pinks take up an item slot. So we have to choose between a part of an item or a pink ward. So either way we are massively disadvantaged. And either way come late game theres no room for a pink ward. Great options.

The severe lack of true vision options in the game right now is very unhealthy.

You can exchange the stealthward trincket for a vision ward mid game

masterdragon481Nov 20, 20151 votes

No, you can't. This isn't last patch. You can get a red trinket that outlines a stealth champion, so you know he is there but can't target him with single target spells or AOE. Very balanced. Gives lots of options.

SammystormNov 20, 20152 votes

I don't have a problem with rengar unless he can nuke a champ and be tanky enough to survive the response.

Lithium RosaNov 20, 20154 votes

Graves

SammystormNov 20, 20151 votes

Graves usually isn't tanky.

MelledoneusNov 20, 20152 votes

Good luck killing a 120 armor Graves, then.

SammystormNov 20, 20151 votes

Inform me. How does graves get 120 armor? Also why does it particularly matter?

MelledoneusNov 20, 20152 votes

Graves gets bonus armor and MR from his E. So it can stack up to 120 BONUS armor and MR, not to even count his base resistances. And it matters because he's mitigating more than 70-80% of your damage. If you need to build a Last Whisper or a void staff for a marksman, there's an issue.

SammystormNov 21, 20151 votes

Graves has to build that up. He has to auto attack 3 times to get 120. Plus he doesn't have enough hp to really stop a champion from nuking him really really fast. People build a lw or void staff not for graves but for other tanky targets. Resists with low hp isn't particularly effective. Does it make him harder to kill? yes. However he by no means is hard to kill

OurLestradeNov 20, 20152 votes

When he was revealed I imagined a bulky fighter that goes toe to toe with the strongest of enemies... In reality you just hide in bushes and jump the weakest people. Pffft.

Leu07Nov 20, 20152 votes

I hate Rengar

Irelia BotNov 21, 20152 votes

A reasonable balance to Rengar when he steaths would be making him have a global roar becuase of his huge ego as a _PRIDE_stalker. Kinda like the global sound made with Sion.

Bruddah MaseNov 21, 20151 votes

that actually sounds perfect

ModAcademy KaynNov 20, 20151 votes

I just want to know why his Passive is called "Unseen Predator" but if I can F**King see him, you're obviously NOT UNSEEN. Why can't we ward bushes to stop his jumpy ass.

N3mO06Nov 20, 20154 votes

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I just want to know why his Passive is called "Unseen Predator" but if I can F**King see him, you're obviously NOT UNSEEN. Why can't we ward bushes to stop his jumpy ass.

-.- is gameplay. Then explain me why Darius can heal himself using an axe and Riven can use her Valor( her shield) even if she is running like a rabbit

DroogzyNov 20, 20151 votes

He's a nightmare when he's fed yes,

But on the flip side, he's a laughable joke of an assassin when he's behind.

If your jungler is smart, especially in this new jungle, figure out which side he starts, find him on the other side or make a beeline for him once you're level 2, kill him, and he's usually a non-factor.

Balances out if you ask me.

53872273_DELNov 20, 20151 votes

aka this Level 1-2 LeeSin Q-E-Q to Rengar = because rengo will be low as shit. bam FIRST BLOOD!

DroogzyNov 21, 20151 votes

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aka this Level 1-2 Q-E-Q to = because rengo will be low as shit. bam FIRST BLOOD!

Literally what I had in my head when I typed that out haha.

Br4ndonNov 21, 20151 votes

What frustrates me is that unless hes incredibly underleveled and shut down he will always kill one person instantly. He basically chooses 1 person whos not allowed to play and deletes that person.

The only hope you have to survive i having a zhonyas and 2/3 people nearby if hes not shut down. Other assassins who were able to do the damage he can while not 2/3 items ahead were all nerfed.

A shut down rengar is stupidly useless. He's so one sided. Either 1 shots one person instantly with no counterplay or he does nothign at all.

Unless Rengars ult just gets reworked i believe he'll always be too much or too little.